Ryan Gosling 'K' - Blade Runner 2049!

[Mechanismo]

omg I actually do remember seeing that post haha,, this thread has so much info in it.. years and years of posts.. its pretty great that way..
considering how 'into it' ppl have gotten,, I'm surprised coat makers don't do more about it..

so that other dressing.., that's essentially the same.. i mean.., I'm happy to buy the brand name stuff.. it's in my cart right now.. I'd rather get the Barbour if its even a slightly better result.. I just figure.., I already used an entire bar of Otter wax.., so that's some groundwork at least..
You're saying it really needs more wax to the point where.., I'm better off using two of the cheaper stuff.. than just 1 of the Barbour??
I guess I'm just having a hard time accepting that it really needs that much more wax.. I mean.., I should still be able to get the overall look with one tin right? I buy the generic brands for certain things.., but something like this.., I'd like to use the right thing.. I could have just bought parafin wax but I'd rather have had the official Otter wax..., see what I mean?

So after you finished with 1 tin of Barbour..., could you have gotten away with not using a second one.. that's kinda what I'm getting at..
I just want a thin base for most of it and I'll just make sure its on thicker for certain areas.. ( shoulders, arms, back, coat tail )

Well, two things... I guess it depends slightly on the size of the coat. I'm a 42, so if you have a slightly smaller coat, factor that in. If you do use one can, then I suggest you use it sparingly, get at even coating on the whole thing and then distribute whatever's leftover. The thing is, when waxing the coat, a generous coating of wax is really essential IMO. That, and blow-drying it correctly.

As far as I can tell, that other cotton fabric wax alternative would be identical without essentially paying the 20 extra bucks just because the tin happens to have the name "Barbour" on it. I happened to get the Barbour brand because there's a Barbour store in my neighborhood and it was convenient. But whatever works!

 

[CountLau]

the neverending thread...
This is my coat. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
My coat is my best friend. It's my life. I must wear it as I must master my life.
Without me, my coat is useless. Without my coat, I am useless.
My coat is (more human than)human, even as I am.
I will keep my coat clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready.
We'll become part of each other...unless I'll tear my coat off fighting any Sapper out there.

I'll be waiting for the proper finisher, to re-strenghten the coating, let's see if I can destroy the coat this time. I'm going all-in.
If I succeed, color should come closer to this (depeding on how the finisher will work, but I hope not adding too much shine again).

Loose look is normal in this phase, I will re-touch the lining again (mandatory after the disaster), fur and magnets are now dismounted and soon they'll be updated, but have been a pain in the ass, since they've been secured with a glue that I never seen such a force before, it needs grinder and blowtorch to be removed.

Joking aside, I believe in a theory, about understanding how production managed to do it as they described.
Somewhere it's written: they received a "laminated" cotton they liked but not its color, so they "sent it back to be painted",
somewhere else it's written just "cotton, which has been waterproofed and then painted".

Based on my experience, I found not possible to properly paint on laminate after the fabric is already laminated, but it's possible if the paint can be properly absorbed before coating it, or if the coating let the cloth anyway absorb dyes properly, as my recent situation after the fail, even if the final color is not exaclty what I aimed, but always better than losing the coat, and overall I think it's anyway better than original, in person it looks terrific, a real masterpiece of my mad experiments.

SR answered me their cloth is"slightly waxed", but it's actually an acrylic coating (wannabe permanent and washable, as mine should be now, and the same "laminate" are considered if compared to waxed, which are not), then starting to consider "laminate" as native not at all costs, since I got better into the argument, discovering that deteriorated native PU coatings could be restored sometimes, and also other types of coating also for the so-called "laminate".

Barbour waxed jackets has kinda "fat" look not exceeding in shine, and it's how the br49 coat looks to me in many stills, as agreed with Mechanismo posts ago, analysing the featurette, but I will call that "waxed", not laminated.

And what if SR obtained their great result with the cloth, simply by taking an uncoated twill, and putting (in a more professional way than me, for sure) acrylic coating onto it? which is mentioned as "waxed" even if not the right term, as they don't waste time detailing their answer to the customer?

Too many signs led me to doubt that magic original cloth then, has been constructed step by step, and maybe in a simpler way.
So again, taking an uncoated bep duck (the one RickC137 has, for instance), and simply adding the right medium with also waterproofing/lite glossyfing properties (at our own risks), in the right quantity not to completely remove breathability, may lead to kinda perfect k coat? (after all the other tweaks needed as lining, fur etc). probably...

Attempts seen here with odicoat, which led to smell and shine exceeding, and stiffness, and unnatural look, maybe are simply wrong with the product used, but not the intention?

I made a proposal for any duck coat unsold, but I cannot be sure duck would work same way, so I let door open for any match to my proposal, but without obligation for both, even more than before.

 

[RickC137]

the neverending thread...
This is my coat. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
My coat is my best friend. It's my life. I must wear it as I must master my life.
Without me, my coat is useless. Without my coat, I am useless.
My coat is (more human than)human, even as I am..
I will keep my coat clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready.
We'll become part of each other...unless I'll tear my coat off fighting any Sapper out there.

I'll be waiting for the proper finisher, to re-strenghten the coating, let's see if I can destroy the coat this time. I'm going all-in. If I succeed, color should come closer to this (depeding on how the finisher will work, but I hope not adding too much shine again).

Loose look is normal in this phase, I will re-touch the lining again (mandatory after the disaster), fur and magnets are now dismounted and soon they'll be updated, but have been a pain in the ass, since they've been secured with a glue that I never seen such a force before, it needs grinder and blowtorch to be removed.

Joking aside, I believe in a theory, about understanding how production managed to do it as they described.
Somewhere it's written: they received a "laminated" cotton they liked but not its color, so they "sent it back to be painted", somewhere else it's written just "cotton, which has been waterproofed and then painted".

Based on my experience, I found not possible to properly paint on laminate after the fabric is already laminated, but it's possible if the paint can be properly absorbed before coating it, or if the coating let the cloth anyway absorb dyes properly, as my recent situation after the fail, even if the final color is not exaclty what I aimed, but always better than losing the coat, and overall I think it's anyway better than original, in person it looks terrific, a real masterpiece of my mad experiments.

SR answered me their cloth is"slightly waxed", but it's actually an acrylic coating (wannabe permanent and washable, as mine should be now, and the same "laminate" are considered if compared to waxed, which are not), then starting to consider "laminate" as native not at all costs, since I got better into the argument, discovering that deteriorated native PU coatings could be restored sometimes, and also other types of coating also for the so-called "laminate".

Barbour waxed jackets has kinda "fat" look not exceeding in shine, and it's how the br49 coat looks to me in many stills, as agreed with Mechanismo posts ago, analysing the featurette, but I will call that "waxed", not laminated.

And what if SR obtained their great result with the cloth, simply by taking an uncoated twill, and putting (in a more professional way than me, for sure) acrylic coating onto it? which is mentioned as "waxed" even if not the right term, as they don't waste time detailing their answer to the customer?

But too many signs led me to doubt that magic original cloth, has been constructed step by step, and maybe in a simpler way. So again, taking a bep duck (the one RickC137 has, for instance), and simply adding the right medium with also waterproofing/lite glossyfing properties (at our own risks), in the right quantity not to completely remove breathability, may obtain kinda perfect k coat? (after all the other tweaks needed as lining, fur etc). probably...

Attempts seen here with odicoat, which led to smell and shine exceeding, and stiffness, and unnatural look, maybe are simply wrong with the product used, but not the intention?

I made a proposal for any duck coat unsold, but I cannot be sure duck would work same way, so I let door open for any match to my proposal, but without obligation for both, even more than before.

Glad to see the color still looking good

 

[RickC137]

Well, two things... I guess it depends slightly on the size of the coat. I'm a 42, so if you have a slightly smaller coat, factor that in. If you do use one can, then I suggest you use it sparingly, get at even coating on the whole thing and then distribute whatever's leftover. The thing is, when waxing the coat, a generous coating of wax is really essential IMO. That, and blow-drying it correctly.

As far as I can tell, that other cotton fabric wax alternative would be identical without essentially paying the 20 extra bucks just because the tin happens to have the name "Barbour" on it. I happened to get the Barbour brand because there's a Barbour store in my neighborhood and it was convenient. But whatever works!

Yeah the other brand is more expensive actually.. here in the US anyway.. yeah my coat is pretty small, so I should be okay I think. Thanks

 

[CountLau]

Glad to see the color still looking good

I'd like to explain my theories and I'm back but, for me it's too early to claim victory...
yes, the color is now stable and not fake / temporary, it can be said that if the final touch-up of the coating does not destroy it, it will be this and it is finally a type of gray with aqua reflections that is less dark and more SA.

As I said, if I am successful in these last steps which I will finish within the month, your uncoated duck would potentially be considered the coat with the greatest potential to be practically the same as the one in the film (if tweaked properly).
Other might be nice, cheaper, more quality on certain aspect etc, but if only that duck could react well to treatments as I'm doing on mine, it'd be a real kick imho.

Honestly I don't aim to be a character clone in daily life, not that sign of personality to me, I would better understand that for cosplaying conventions it makes more sense even if I don't join it, usually I make garments for myself which look more unique, but when a garment has such a style level, must recognize it even if a million people wear it, and with a coat like this if made really well, you can also combine it with other stuff, always making a great impression imo.

 

[CountLau]

Thanks for the heads-up about that. The thing is, once I enquired about it, the guy's response was simply:

"Unfortunately I can't tell you the name without a permission. But I can ask them.
They work with Dior, Chanel, Belstaff, Matchless......."

Which is kind of ridiculous. We're talking about a business that waxes coats here...
Why on earth would he -or they- have to be so secretive about that?

Ok I haven't read carefully before, but if they answered you that way, it's clearly giglio luxury.
I probably would waste time emailing them for one single blade runner jacket, first of all because at this point I will ask for all the lack to be fixed (right duck texture, a design the same Jameel has been able to fix, the only thing I could ignore is the fur because it has been seen that it has to be found on your own, as nobody put the right one), but I'm not in the business so I wouldn't really say that I could be considered.

Now I finish my coat as best I can, and after, the idea is to stop there and keep my twill as it is if nobody will match my previous easier proposal, but I might wake up and change my mind one morning, and at least try to see if and what they reply to me.
Eventually, I could try also to ask infos about a duck laminate that way if possible for us to have, but I guess it's the coat on its entirety (if you could ever get an answer, since no trace of br49 jacket on their website and it would be kinda off-label request) or nothing...

 

[Mechanismo]

"Giglio Luxury"? That sounds more like a 'gentleman's club,' if you know what I mean...

 

[CountLau]

"Giglio Luxury"? That sounds more like a 'gentleman's club,' if you know what I mean...

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I don't think that if they told you about big brands, it's about others other than them.
I imagine they will have a division that manages the fabric to be processed on behalf of SR, I looked at VAT numbers and companies that may have a similar analogy, but there aren't any, for me it's a match 99%

 

[Mechanismo]

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I don't think that if they told you about big brands, it's about others other than them.
I imagine they will have a division that manages the fabric to be processed on behalf of SR, I looked at VAT numbers and companies that may have a similar analogy, but there aren't any, for me it's a match 99%

I was only joking. Right off the bat, it sounds a high class brothel haha.

 

[CountLau]

I was only joking. Of the bat, it sounds like a high class brothel haha.

That's exactly the problem, which I think has little of a brothel, but too much class. And I really don't think anyone can consider any emails from me, even more so: usually here it's easier to get them from small companies, from my experience, unless they are low-class ignorant people who don't even bother replying to a well-written email.
But luxury groups, difficult. I imagine that since SR was already an attractive company and had its own previous business, it had the right credentials, the basis and the ability to possibly set up a joint venture for br49 coat. I could also say that SR is just based on that joint venture, since they also present their leather jackets as produced here in Italy

 

[CountLau]

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it's time to give a pitch in favor of SR, they were the only ones besides Jameel who managed not to see themselves plagiarized in this way, but apparently it was only a matter of time. And incredibly good reviews, too. What, would they like you to believe that you get the SR jacket for €160 and it's really theirs? And the "style 2" is a pic stolen from Magnoli again, obviously...unbelievable,really.

I'd like to understand if sooner or later we can expect a pic of one of us with our coat on, that some idiot will take without permission and display it pretending that it is his coat.

Do not they really have any way to protect themselves and shut down these striped-ass people like they deserve?
I'm asking for a friend...

But if magnoli and SR are still listening here somewhere, and maybe I'm wrong and they wanted to instruct these gentlemen to make unexpected sale discounts on their behalf, they could also have warned, isn't it?

 

[RickC137]

I was only joking. Right off the bat, it sounds a high class brothel haha.

you hear about the new sequel coming out? its called, "Deuce Bigalow, Blade Running Giglio" lol

 

[RickC137]

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it's time to give a pitch in favor of SR, they were the only ones besides Jameel who managed not to see themselves plagiarized in this way, but apparently it was only a matter of time. And incredibly good reviews, too. What, would they like you to believe that you get the SR jacket for €160 and it's really theirs? And the "style 2" is a pic stolen from Magnoli again, obviously...unbelievable,really.

I'd like to understand if sooner or later we can expect a pic of one of us with our coat on, that some idiot will take without permission and display it pretending that it is his coat.

Do not they really have any way to protect themselves and shut down these striped-ass people like they deserve?
I'm asking for a friend...

But if magnoli and SR are still listening here somewhere, and maybe I'm wrong and they wanted to instruct these gentlemen to make unexpected sale discounts on their behalf, they could also have warned, isn't it?

nobodys coat photo was stolen more than WSL ..., that photo is used on damn near every Amazon Blade Runner coat photo..! smh,, lol, ughh, and alot of Magnolia photo thieves too I must say.. unfortunately, we live in an age where ppl work really hard to make the best.., lies.. instead of making a good quality product that sells itself..,

instead, they just work really hard at making an appealing sales page,, caring nothing about the product or consumer and only about locking in a quick sale.. so much deceit everywhere.. Between this coat and the Fight Club coat, there must be a hundred versions of poor replica options for each, floating around out there.., they wonder why they don't sell well.. this forum is prime example why.., bc people talk.. ppl read.., the word gets out that its junk,, and then, they're stuck with a product that doesn't sell,, except for the few poor souls that don't research enough about it and buy too soon, assuming all these clothing vendors actually have some integrity and are selling exactly what is described and pictured, but they don't.. it's a sad state of affairs..

that's why its so important for forums like these to exist and for ppl to participate to the degree everyone has.., that's how the information gets out, how progress gets made, and it keeps sellers on their toes.., keeps them honest... makes it so that they strive to deliver a better product.. if we just buy and keep silent about the issues, then nothing can improve..

anyhow, you guys know all this i'm sure,, but I feel it needed to be said..

 

[RickC137]

So, quick update on my situation..,

I did buy a tin of the Barbour wax.. Thornproof dressing.. @ $25 USD and, I bought the Rit Dye Liquid.. its an 8oz bottle and I bought the dark brown color.. and that ran me like $8 USD..,
Though they did have other colors.., they had chocolate, mocha, a tan.. they even had camel..., BUT, it looked like a light camel color.. and I just didn't want to risk it not being dark enough.. I'd rather it be a little darker than intended and use less of it, rather than having to use a whole bunch and it still not getting dark enough.. this way, I know its a dark enough shade that it will definitely change up the color.. what would you guys suggest? Do you think I should just heat it up and put it in a spray bottle?? or maybe just spray it on at room temp and use a blow dryer / heat gun.. ??

Like I said, I enjoy these lil arts n crafts type experiments but I haven't had much experience doing anything like this.. so any advice is appreciated..,

Lastly, I'm still considering whether I should trim the length of the collar down a bit.. what do you guys think?

I feel like taking a little off would make it a bit more subtle.. especially up why the neck line.. idk,, maybe after dying it, it won't matter as much..
I just don't want to take too much off.. Now,,, I do cut my own hair.. I have relatively professional electric WAHL clippers that I can use.. with a number of fading clips so that I don't take off too much.. only, it might be a little difficult for me to judge which number clip to start with.. I guess I can start high and work my way down from there.. like if I put on say.., a size 4 or 3... if that doesn't work enough, a 2.. but something tells me that its probably a half size.. lol,, only half sizes I have is a 1.5 and a 0.5 ...., it probably needs a 2.5 ..., then again.. idk,, maybe it really is a 3 or 4... its just hard to tell cause its wool-like hair and not straight like mine.. I guess I could also use scissors too but it won't look as uniform throughout the whole coat collar / lapels if I do it that way..

anyone able to relay their experience with trimming the fur parts? ( I know most of you guys just outright replaced it all together.. )
but I'm sure there's some ppl that did some cutting.. (such a long thread, not always easy to find certain details.. maybe one of you remember someone's shared experience with this..) Thanks..

 

[CountLau]

nobodys coat photo was stolen more than WSL ..., that photo is used on damn near every Amazon Blade Runner coat photo..! smh,, lol, ughh, and alot of Magnolia photo thieves too I must say.. unfortunately, we live in an age where ppl work really hard to make the best.., lies.. instead of making a good quality product that sells itself..,

instead, they just work really hard at making an appealing sales page,, caring nothing about the product or consumer and only about locking in a quick sale.. so much deceit everywhere.. Between this coat and the Fight Club coat, there must be a hundred versions of poor replica options for each, floating around out there.., they wonder why they don't sell well.. this forum is prime example why.., bc people talk.. ppl read.., the word gets out that its junk,, and then, they're stuck with a product that doesn't sell,, except for the few poor souls that don't research enough about it and buy too soon, assuming all these clothing vendors actually have some integrity and are selling exactly what is described and pictured, but they don't.. it's a sad state of affairs..

that's why its so important for forums like these to exist and for ppl to participate to the degree everyone has.., that's how the information gets out, how progress gets made, and it keeps sellers on their toes.., keeps them honest... makes it so that they strive to deliver a better product.. if we just buy and keep silent about the issues, then nothing can improve..

anyhow, you guys know all this i'm sure,, but I feel it needed to be said..

I had already read reports of wsl plagiarism since the beginning of the thread, in fact I posted it because the SR pic had the block, but anyway it's a block that can be easily circumvented, in any case it makes me angry for them.

I think the one on wsl is the most worrying example in reality, because it seems clear to me that the guy with blond hair posing with the blaster is someone who is on the forum, and therefore the next one could be one of us, if a pic is put in public a little too well-made and cinematic?
there shouldn't be any danger on me, given my terrible phone and I rarely manage to make a decent one in this sense, but if I were Mechanismo I would worry a little more, even if he's not the one who seems such a poser, but his pics are certainly better than mine and more at risk imo, and I certainly don't want to blame him, because the problem would be understanding how to stop those people from acting illicit.

 

[Mechanismo]

nobodys coat photo was stolen more than WSL ..., that photo is used on damn near every Amazon Blade Runner coat photo..! smh,, lol, ughh, and alot of Magnolia photo thieves too I must say.. unfortunately, we live in an age where ppl work really hard to make the best.., lies.. instead of making a good quality product that sells itself..,

instead, they just work really hard at making an appealing sales page,, caring nothing about the product or consumer and only about locking in a quick sale.. so much deceit everywhere.. Between this coat and the Fight Club coat, there must be a hundred versions of poor replica options for each, floating around out there.., they wonder why they don't sell well.. this forum is prime example why.., bc people talk.. ppl read.., the word gets out that its junk,, and then, they're stuck with a product that doesn't sell,, except for the few poor souls that don't research enough about it and buy too soon, assuming all these clothing vendors actually have some integrity and are selling exactly what is described and pictured, but they don't.. it's a sad state of affairs..

that's why its so important for forums like these to exist and for ppl to participate to the degree everyone has.., that's how the information gets out, how progress gets made, and it keeps sellers on their toes.., keeps them honest... makes it so that they strive to deliver a better product.. if we just buy and keep silent about the issues, then nothing can improve..

anyhow, you guys know all this i'm sure,, but I feel it needed to be said..

Yes, well-stated. When it comes to this coat, there are literally scammers everywhere. It is a sad state of affairs.

In that regard Soul Revolver has always done a phenomenal job of showcasing its product: eye-catching, professional photos of a model wearing the coat. Their website presentation as well. All of it, very classy. I think that's gone a very long way to put their coat at the top of the pile.

Unfortunately, they've done such a good job in this regard that they're resting on their laurels.

There was a time when I was corresponding with Kall/Lyrion (SR owner) on highlighting SA details/corrections with a view of making a 2.0 version of their coat. The last thing he told me is that he was not happy with the prototype and, from the looks of it, scrapped the plan altogether.

It's a real shame because, had he shared the prototype on the forum he would have involved the prop community and really made the ultimate coat. Instead, I think he figured "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and, in view of their steady sales and widespread admiration for the coat itself 'as is,' it's easy to see why he chose that route.

But it's a real missed opportunity. Hopefully he'll have a change of heart eventually.

 

[CountLau]

So, quick update on my situation..,

I did buy a tin of the Barbour wax.. Thornproof dressing.. @ $25 USD and, I bought the Rit Dye Liquid.. its an 8oz bottle and I bought the dark brown color.. and that ran me like $8 USD..,
Though they did have other colors.., they had chocolate, mocha, a tan.. they even had camel..., BUT, it looked like a light camel color.. and I just didn't want to risk it not being dark enough.. I'd rather it be a little darker than intended and use less of it, rather than having to use a whole bunch and it still not getting dark enough.. this way, I know its a dark enough shade that it will definitely change up the color.. what would you guys suggest? Do you think I should just heat it up and put it in a spray bottle?? or maybe just spray it on at room temp and use a blow dryer / heat gun.. ??

Like I said, I enjoy these lil arts n crafts type experiments but I haven't had much experience doing anything like this.. so any advice is appreciated..,

Lastly, I'm still considering whether I should trim the length of the collar down a bit.. what do you guys think?

I feel like taking a little off would make it a bit more subtle.. especially up why the neck line.. idk,, maybe after dying it, it won't matter as much..
I just don't want to take too much off.. Now,,, I do cut my own hair.. I have relatively professional electric WAHL clippers that I can use.. with a number of fading clips so that I don't take off too much.. only, it might be a little difficult for me to judge which number clip to start with.. I guess I can start high and work my way down from there.. like if I put on say.., a size 4 or 3... if that doesn't work enough, a 2.. but something tells me that its probably a half size.. lol,, only half sizes I have is a 1.5 and a 0.5 ...., it probably needs a 2.5 ..., then again.. idk,, maybe it really is a 3 or 4... its just hard to tell cause its wool-like hair and not straight like mine.. I guess I could also use scissors too but it won't look as uniform throughout the whole coat collar / lapels if I do it that way..

anyone able to relay their experience with trimming the fur parts? ( I know most of you guys just outright replaced it all together.. )
but I'm sure there's some ppl that did some cutting.. (such a long thread, not always easy to find certain details.. maybe one of you remember someone's shared experience with this..) Thanks..

In ur shoes, I won't shorten the collar. If you mean you just wanna trim the fleeces of the fur, I did it on the edges (mainly with scissors but a hairclipper should work fine anyway).

If you won't replace that fur, I suggest you to follow step I posted after page 110, mainly following bep tutorial on yt: ranger alcohol inks + isopropanol, I also faded the result with alcohol inks permanent markers and hand work with a rag soaked in isopropanol, imo bep method is durable cause it never come back yellow (mine now has been removed, and turned back a little yellowish but not all, and it has been soaked in bleach for 3 hours with all the coat during my process, so I must say their distressing method is stable).

About waxing, I guess Mechanismo knows better than me, but I bet the best method for waxing, still would be heating it, then using a brush to apply on the fabric, and a little piece at a time, using a hairdresser (or heat gun) to make the fabric absorb the wax evenly.

 

[CountLau]

Yes, well-stated. When it comes to this coat, there are literally scammers everywhere. It is a sad state of affairs.

In that regard Soul Revolver has always done a phenomenal job of showcasing its product: eye-catching, professional photos of a model wearing the coat. Their website presentation as well. All of it, very classy. I think that's gone a very long way to put their coat at the top of the pile.

Unfortunately, they've done such a good job in this regard that they're resting on their laurels.

There was a time when I was corresponding with Kall/Lyrion (SR owner) on highlighting SA details/corrections with a view of making a 2.0 version of their coat. The last thing he told me is that he was not happy with the prototype and, from the looks of it, scrapped the plan altogether.

It's a real shame because, had he shared the prototype on the forum he would have involved the prop community and really made the ultimate coat. Instead, I think he figured "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and, in view of their steady sales and widespread admiration for the coat itself 'as is,' it's easy to see why he chose that route.

But it's a real missed opportunity. Hopefully he'll have a change of heart eventually.

the price is anyway almost double than a bep, and the fabric should be duck, I don't believe they couldn't give directives here in Italy so that they start coating a duck instead of twill with that acrylic, but for now I've worked on a twill, so I don't want to speak out of turn, but my intuition tells me that there isn't any it's the desire to do more, because as you said, it doesn't suit them

 

[Mechanismo]

the price is anyway almost double than a bep, and the fabric should be duck, I don't believe they couldn't give directives here in Italy so that they start coating a duck instead of twill with that acrylic, but for now I've worked on a twill, so I don't want to speak out of turn, but my intuition tells me that there isn't any it's the desire to do more, because as you said, it doesn't suit them

Well, it's certainly double the price of WSL. SR is 190€ more expensive than a BEP/ELS (340€). But, as I've pointed out, leaving aside screen accurateness, in terms of quality alone, BEP/ELS should be a better coat for that price tag. There's no excuse for that cheap, paper-thin quilting/lining.

 

[CountLau]

Well, it's certainly double the price of WSL. SR is 190€ more expensive than a BEP/ELS (340€). But, as I've pointed out, leaving aside screen accurateness, in terms of quality alone, BEP/ELS should be a better coat for that price tag. There's no excuse for that cheap, paper-thin quilting/lining.

the more I re-watch certain scenes in the movie, the more I believe the issue is not only about that.
It feels like...it's stuff for replicants
- there's a need for a coat that withstand cold in winter, since we can see fog, darkness, rain and even snow, but when I look at Deckard's outfit even in the rain and snow, so K have always his coat, and others like Deckard and Mariette (or other hookers), do they look like almost spring clothes without ever showing something more substantial to wear for the cold? Deckard is kidnapped, but he has nothing around him other than that shirt, he resists the snowy final situation with nonchalance, and Mariette with that fur coat makes you cold to see her
- the coat, I look at it better in various scenes including the details of the sleeves and others, like at the bar with Mariette etc, and I don't see a great thickness in the end of this coat, it gives me the impression that it is the one that resists the elements
- at this point I would imagine the thickness of Jameel's padding as adequate, and I must say that although a little thicker but also with the others I found and the same one I put in, there isn't that much difference, while instead there is there is a huge difference in the quality and consistency of the actual lining, the one I put on, after what I did, is absolutely intact and at this point I would say it could withstand an atomic war, regardeless of the quilting
- the quilting is relevant to keep you warm, but also bulkier aspect if too much thickness, and the fabric is crucial, movie coat fabric is probably tougher than bep/els in the end, even if for me it was enough to keep me warm. Now that I changed it with chemicals, it seems sturdier, but I've not finished yet, don't really know how it behaves with my last step, it should give a bit more structure again and same time a bit softness more, but how it become stiff now, I find more similar to duck then the original laminated twill I had before (which was even too smooth)