ROTJ Stormtrooper Armour

[Amish Trooper]

Keep trolling Gino. seriously go away. It's obvious people can't question you and your bold claims like your Tie but yet you have done nothing but attack the quality of this new armor. Unless you really have anything positive to say then don't say anything. It is not wanted.

 

[Amish Trooper]

(clears throat).... ummm, I might have to respectfully disagree with that statement :

:lol.... sorry, couldn't resist. I imagine your excellent replica suit will cost considerably less than my original? :unsure

BTW excellent work guys.... looking really nice, and refreshing to see a lil' love for the ROTJ Stormtrooper (often considered the 'poor cousin' of the trooper family but my personal childhood favourite :love)

Cheers,
John
john@manicminer.plus.com

Beautiful stuff John. I would love to see pics of CFO compared with yours

 

[JoeR]

My helmet taken from the inside is the best representation of what we see on screen. The TE helmet with the ANH style ears that GINO has does not show up on any HD screencaps at all.

 

[GINO]

Joe, that's actually not correct, my helmet molds have the wonky ROTJ specific ears as well.
Here are a couple of pics I took of some ABS test pulls when I first got my vac machine.

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[JoeR]

Guys just to correct this nonsense. GINO's ears are from the Cameron Oakley helmet and from the outside and his helmet molds are from the outside of the TE helmet which was neve taken apart. Stop trolling. We all know you trry to rubbish everyone elses stuff as you cannot accept not having the best of everything. Please take your insecurity out of my thread! LOL

 

[GINO]

Guys just to correct this nonsense. GINO's ears are from the Cameron Oakley helmet and from the outside and his helmet molds are from the outside of the TE helmet which was neve taken apart. Stop trolling. We all know you trry to rubbish everyone elses stuff as you cannot accept not having the best of everything. Please take your insecurity out of my thread! LOL

I am not trolling.
I am correcting incorrect information that is being said about stuff that is mine.

Again, in the case of what you just said, the helmet molds I have from the rotj helmet were taken from the inside, not the outside, and I also have molds from the inside of both style ears.

I have not put down your armor in any way. All I did was help clarify the origins (since they are tied to my pieces) and dispel the claim of it being the most accurate, which I tried to explain above.


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[JoeR]

If the TE molds were from the inside then how come the original helmet has never been taken apart? And where are the pictures of this mysterious helmet that you got your ears from? Or pictures of the original TIE donor helmet. You throw around these grandiose claims yet show zero evidence, I have been upfrront about the origins of my armour and helmet. Pictures or it didn't happen as they say on this forum. My helmet matches up exactly in shape to the 911 LFL helmet and every single helmet screencap in HD from ROTJ. Yours does not as it is the more squished ANH shape helmet like JB's original above. Why don't we compare our replicas to screencaps?

 

[NAZGÛL]

Keep trolling Gino. seriously go away. It's obvious people can't question you and your bold claims like your Tie but yet you have done nothing but attack the quality of this new armor.

Yeah, that is really weird. I think it could be ok with questions as long as it works both ways.

Anyway even if casted on the outside, this is very accurate!

 

[GINO]

Is there anything that I have said about this new armor or helmets that is not true?
If so, please let me know.

When I was speaking about the creation of your molds (inside vs. outside) I was referring to the Cameron Oakley armor, not your helmet since the helmet was not from Cameron Oakley.
I never said your helmet molds were more/less accurate than mine. Just the armor.

BTW, you didn't mention here the alterations you had to perform on the thigh pieces (which was discussed on FISD).



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[NAZGÛL]

You guys can keep your head up high Joer and sskunky. You have been very open with everything in this proccess. Thats something not everyone can say.

 

[Amish Trooper]

Hey Joe just ignore Gino and follow his example from his Tie thread

"I disagree with his assessments.
I'm not interested in discussing/debating them."

And just keep repeating I disagree and ignore important questions.

 

[sskunky]

NO Gino,
Yo haven't actually said anything bad but you carefully word your posts just well enough to put other peoples work down without really saying it. You haven't once said anything positive about this armour just all the negative things or at least the things you think are negative.
If you have nothing positive to contribute please go away. You are very quick to dismiss anything we want to know about your claims of cast from original yet all we have done is offer something truely cast from original and you have to find fault with it. Is it because we are giving the community something that you only give "select friends"?

 

[GINO]

I didn't ask any probing questions. Just stating facts that are very directly relevant to me since this armor is directly tied to the molds that I have.

 

[sskunky]

Thigh alterations have again been discussed in the open. Gino just shut up and go away. We are hiding nothing. Te top of the thighs were just altered to give the swoop as the CO armour thighs were less trimmed than most and the general consensus was that people people preferred the swoop trim. It's all there in the open so Gino stop trolling.

 

[GINO]

Thigh alterations have again been discussed in the open. Gino just shut up and go away. We are hiding nothing. Te top of the thighs were just altered to give the swoop as the CO armour thighs were less trimmed than most and the general consensus was that people people preferred the swoop trim. It's all there in the open so Gino stop trolling.

I did not see it talked about in this thread which is why I mentioned it. I never accused anyone of hiding anything. :confused
Just so we're on the same page, the TE thighs are correct and unaltered (at least the molds I have and AP have are).
The CO thighs that you guys received were different and you guys had to utilize artistic license to re-create the upper curve and return edge of the thighs.

I also did not see it mentioned on other forums that this armor comes from forming overtop of the outside of the armor forms. That's something I've only seen mentioned here, which I think was a good thing.


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[sskunky]

I think you'll find that the CO thighs are unaltered he just doesn't have the artistic ability to alter things and I have correspondence from CO to say why would he have? He had the original. I can post all of the emails from CO himself. But you will only say it's not true so there's no point.

 

[GINO]

NO Gino,
Yo haven't actually said anything bad but you carefully word your posts just well enough to put other peoples work down without really saying it. You haven't once said anything positive about this armour just all the negative things or at least the things you think are negative.

I'm glad you see that distinction that I haven't said anything bad.
I'm sorry you see it as me putting this armor down, but you have to understand that when statements like "can't get any more accurate than this" are being made, which is directly contradictory to facts that directly involve me specifically, that I'm going to want to clarify those incorrect statements.

I'm not saying this armor is bad, just not the most accurate.
And also, just re-affirming facts about that armor which I don't see anyone disputing.

Just because I'm not gushing with praise doesn't mean I'm not allowed to comment, especially when what is being said directly relates to me.
Could I possibly be any more civil or respectful than I have in this thread outside of not posting at all?
It just doesn't get any more civil than this.

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[GINO]

I think you'll find that the CO thighs are unaltered he just doesn't have the artistic ability to alter things and I have correspondence from CO to say why would he have? He had the original. I can post all of the emails from CO himself. But you will only say it's not true so there's no point.

I've seen the emails posted on FISD so I believe you. I believe that he didn't alter them, but someone must have at some point because they don't match up with the originals that were molded.

The points being discussed over at FISD (by other well known trooper enthusiasts) was that the thighs you guys received were changed at some point by someone because we have pics of the original thighs as well as the replicas made by myself and others that show they match the film thighs (unlike the ones you received that you had to change).


Here are the pics posted over at FISD by another well known trooper person that illustrate the point.


CO original shin/thigh

CO/TE - CFO comparison

And you can see here on one of the Cameron Oakley fiberglass suits that the thighs are the same as yours, which means that his molds were that way from the get go.
But the original screen used thighs that he molded did not look like this so somewhere along the line his fiberglass molds were changed from what the screen used pieces were. Which explains why yours look the way they do.

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[JoeR]

Edit there is no point arguing with this deluded fantasist..

Thank you for all the positive comments and ignore the propaganda.

Joe

 

[GINO]

No need for name calling.