Rocketeer helmet restoration project

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I need a liner or some kind of padding that will fit in this shell.
I have contacted Clint of ACME design - he does not have them. If anyone can help me I will be your best friend for life...maybe:lol
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Sorry, I know you weren't asking me, ER... definitely not an Acme but I couldn't say what it is either since I haven't been tracking all those that have made replicas since the Acme came out.

Chances of finding a liner other than something like that Arming thing are slim I'm afraid. Unless the guy that made some a few years back wants to come out of retirement or you can find somebody that has one they don't want anymore.

The most accurate replica liner made so far is the one in the MR helmet though Todd's was stuffed better :)

That Arming helmet thing might not be bad as long as you can get it in black or dye it... and as long as it doesn't fall below the neck of the helmet. That wouldn't look so hot. If you could make some tailoring changes to it, it'd be a pretty good option.
 
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Hey rob,

Thanks for your info. I wanted to make sure it wasn't one.

I been trying to figure out which helmet I own/.

At first, I thought the helmet I owned was acme, but after looking at the finhead forum, I highly doubt mine is. I havent been able to find the source of mine.


I contacted todd a month or so ago, and he wasnt sure how much material he had left. If he did, than he would only have enough to make one..Not sure if he is willing to do more, but I guess it wouldnt hurt to contact him and see. I'll send him an email. I know he has been busy lately, so I dunno when I will get a response.

You can always try ebay. Type in padding star wars. there is a seller that makes padding for helmets.
 
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This helmet is actually an original. Though I cannot supply proof of it's lineage, the individual I purchased it from many years ago claims to have obtained it from the prop shop that made them for the movie - this one was a 'left over' not used in production.
It is fiberglass and is SA with the exception of the welding around the fin - when I recieved the helmet, is was beat the heck and back - the fin was broken off and several large chunks were missing from the chin and back area. This helmet needed some serious TLC and my wonderfully skilled father was able to repair it (you can't even tell there was any damage at all).
We were never able to give it a better paint job so I am in the process right now of refurbishing it to prep it for sale:love
 
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Found this on Ebay - it actually looks like it could work very well on several points. For starters, it's an aviation helmet which is very appropriate for what it's being used for, and second, it already has great looking leather chin straps installed which also look appropriate for the Rocketeer.
Feedback anyone?
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This helmet is actually an original. Though I cannot supply proof of it's lineage, the individual I purchased it from many years ago claims to have obtained it from the prop shop that made them for the movie - this one was a 'left over' not used in production.
hmmmm.... I know others can pop in and tell better by the photos, but I'm not too sure of it being original, mainly from this picture:


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The profile looks too squished and not as wide as what we've seen in the original helmets in the cheek areas. And I THINK the helmets were all resin and not fiberglass. Or it's a weird camera angle. Either way it's a cool helmet!!!

- Jeff
 
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Yeah, it's the camera angle. Here are pics of it next to the MR version:
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I will have to stop by my local militar surpluss store and see if they have any old WWII helmets I can remove the liner and use. The helmet really doesn't need padding - it needs a good head liner with attached leather chin strap.
 
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hmmmm.... I know others can pop in and tell better by the photos, but I'm not too sure of it being original, mainly from this picture:
The profile looks too squished and not as wide as what we've seen in the original helmets in the cheek areas. And I THINK the helmets were all resin and not fiberglass. Or it's a weird camera angle. Either way it's a cool helmet!!!

- Jeff

My thoughts exactly. The profile does look a little squished and doesnt look like the production/ promotional made helmets.

Maybe Rob can chime in again, and tell us more about the originals and production used helmets since he has more knowledge than me in this field.


Pretty cool Helmet. do you have photos of it when you first got it?

Usually when I buy rocketeer props or memorbilia, and they specifically tell me that they got it from a production crew member or the disney prop shop than I expect to see evidence haha..

Actually, Last week. I met some-one that did work for the disney prop shop and she sold me a painting that was used in Neville sinclair's layer. If you watch the scene with neville sinclair and valentine aka the scene he threathens valentine with his fencing sword. It is scene in the background. I needed a uhual to get it. The thing is huge...

Oops, sorry back on topic..Well, you can always just buy the leather strap and snap. The helmet I own just had the strap glued in without a head thingy. I can always send you pictures how my inside looks.
 
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I'm pretty confident of it's lineage. Once I start repainting it, I will take more pics that show off its shape. The sides are NOT squeezed in like the MR helmet.
I may start a new thread for the restoration...
 
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This helmet is actually an original. Though I cannot supply proof of it's lineage, the individual I purchased it from many years ago claims to have obtained it from the prop shop that made them for the movie - this one was a 'left over' not used in production.
It is fiberglass and is SA with the exception of the welding around the fin - when I recieved the helmet, is was beat the heck and back - the fin was broken off and several large chunks were missing from the chin and back area. This helmet needed some serious TLC and my wonderfully skilled father was able to repair it (you can't even tell there was any damage at all).
We were never able to give it a better paint job so I am in the process right now of refurbishing it to prep it for sale:love

I can't begin to tell you how many times I've heard that exact same story and I hate to tell you this. I think oftentimes it's information provided out of ignorance (no offense intended) - not malicious intent. But I have also seen it repeated with malicious intent to make a profit on a fake helmet.

What I can tell you is that your helmet isn't a production-made original. It's vaguely possible it's a Disney copy made for promotional use but I'd be skeptical of that without solid provenance.

The truth of the matter is that the original prop shop for the movie production - Design Setters - did make extras that were not used in the movie. Those were essentially made for trade-fodder. They made the helmets the same way using slush-cast resin but as far as I'm aware right now, they usually didn't put the effort into finishing the helmets as they did for the production so those are always lacking the tells of an original production-used helmet making them virtually impossible to prove as legitimate.

That helmet isn't slush cast resin which means it's not a production-made helmet at all - not even one of possible trade-fodder helmets.

Those have been passed down, cast and recast over the years endlessly and are likely the sources of many of the replicas that derive several generations from an original helmet. They ALWAYS come with the story that "this was an unused original with solid provenance" (which is never supplied) or if it's a replica: "this was cast from an original that such-and-such got his hands on".

To make matters worse, Disney took the molds from Design Setters - I've personally confirmed this through multiple sources including the propmaster on the Rocketeer - and then Disney made more helmets (and rocketpacks) for promotional use. The helmets they made I believe were almost always fiberglass. Those have also been passed down and copied many times and often mistaken as original production helmets just because they came from a Disney source. Most folks don't know the difference unfortunately. Disney made helmets never even saw the movie set from what I've been told by guys that worked on the movie.

Take that for whatever it's worth. I've seen folks get taken this way too many times and it depresses me every time I see it.

I owned (but unfortunately had to sell) an original screen-used and screen-matched hero helmet which I had authenticated in person by the propmaster on the movie. (The helmet pictured in my avatar actually.) I actually flew the helmet to L.A. so I could meet him and get it personally authenticated. I've obsessed over these helmets for the past 10 years so I've picked up a considerable amount of info about them. It's up to you if you want to believe me or not and I don't mean to sound egomaniacal about being an "expert"...

The only helmet I currently own is the one-of-a-kind prototype helmet. I consider it the consolation prize for having to sell my hero helmet (which I did to help my family's finances even though it truly is/was my "holy grail").

I hope that helps...

Rob
 
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hmmmm.... I know others can pop in and tell better by the photos, but I'm not too sure of it being original, mainly from this picture:

The profile looks too squished and not as wide as what we've seen in the original helmets in the cheek areas. And I THINK the helmets were all resin and not fiberglass. Or it's a weird camera angle. Either way it's a cool helmet!!!

- Jeff

Just for whatever use the info is good for... what I've learned over the years of photographing Rocketeer helmets (that makes me sound like a sad obsessive doesn't it? don't answer that!) is that when you photograph the helmets from a close distance, they always distort and look squished.

Granted, a squished helmet looks even more squished but even accurate helmets wind up looking like MR helmets.

The photo experts will have to explain the "why" of it because I can't. I only remember a bit of technical stuff from my college photo classes.

If you want a good photo of a Rocketeer helmet without distortion, set it up across the room and use the zoom on your camera. It flattens out the image and gives you a much better idea of how the helmet is shaped.
 
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Yeah, I can never really know where it came from - all I know is that it is SA in design and without any kind of documentation of it's lineage, it's accuracy is all that matters to me.
Right now I am just prepping it for restoration. If I do trade or sell the thing, I would never advertise it as an original - just what I know I was told about it.
 
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Yeah, I can never really know where it came from - all I know is that it is SA in design and without any kind of documentation of it's lineage, it's accuracy is all that matters to me.
Right now I am just prepping it for restoration. If I do trade or sell the thing, I would never advertise it as an original - just what I know I was told about it.

That's cool... as long as your happy with it, that's all that really counts.

If you decide you're interested in accurizing it further I'd be happy to offer some tips. I'm always up for a discussion of the finer details of Rocketeer helmets. I've finished more than a few helmets myself... I've got one that I've been working on off and on for a year now when I have any very rare free time. (God bless the guy that's been patient enough to wait on me!)
 
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I can never get the color right. I am using Krylong 24ct gold paint, then Rub n' buff antique gold, then another mist of gold paint.
I love the finish on the MR helmet, just wish it wasn't so darn mis-shaped!:cry
 
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I can never get the color right. I am using Krylong 24ct gold paint, then Rub n' buff antique gold, then another mist of gold paint.
I love the finish on the MR helmet, just wish it wasn't so darn mis-shaped!:cry

You're on the money with the Antique gold Rub n' Buff. Lay down some gold paint as a base and put the Rub n' Buff on top. It's the closest thing I've found to what it's supposed to look like. I usually use artist's acrylic paints to do the weathering myself. It's kind of a mushroom brownish gray for the weathering... I know that's vague. I've never identified an exact color that looks "right". I always just wind up eyeballing it as best I can.

Amen on the MR. It's a shame it turned out misshapen. I wish they'd just used resin and gone for something more accurate.
 
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Amen on the MR. It's a shame it turned out misshapen. I wish they'd just used resin and gone for something more accurate.[/quote]

Yeah, but the metal construction is what REALLY sold me on it. I mean, I alread owned a SA lid so why spend the money? Because THIS helmet is one of the movie items that got me started in this bank-draining hobby in the first place and I love it THAT much.
There is still time for another company to pick up the license and do resin versions though...lets keep our fingures crossed for that AND a jetpack!:love
 
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Yeah, but the metal construction is what REALLY sold me on it. I mean, I alread owned a SA lid so why spend the money? Because THIS helmet is one of the movie items that got me started in this bank-draining hobby in the first place and I love it THAT much.
There is still time for another company to pick up the license and do resin versions though...lets keep our fingures crossed for that AND a jetpack!:love

That's cool - it's always interesting to hear what got you started. I actually discovered replica props by way of Star Wars and after nearly getting burned really badly for a fake Rocketeer helmet, I started seriously researching the original helmet props. I guess since I started out wanting an original which I knew was resin, the metal helmet took on more of a novelty angle for me. Of course, I'd have liked it more if it were more accurate but, as with anything, you've got to salt to taste.

We had a really cool thread on the RPF back when the MR helmet came out that had a lot of side-by-side comparisons. I've actually got some pictures of the MR and the screen-used hero I used to own if you're interested.

Replica props is definitely a bank draining hobby but, man, get into collecting original props. Ouch. Many times more money and having to worry about solid provenance to protect your investment on top of that. It's a tough hobby. I think I'll probably get an "amen" from EvilRocketeer on that ;)
 
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