Ridley Scott Prometheus: NOT the Alien Prequel Details

Its projected to be this years Avatar in terms of technical achievement and box office.

There is no way.

And let's not forget that everything you're extolling about its technical achievement doesn't say a thing about the effectiveness of its storytelling, which will ultimately be the determining factor of its success. Both as an experience, and to a lesser degree, financially. The "mood" might get them in the door, but everything else has to bring them back.
 
I did not say it WOULD beat Avatars total , but that there is a strong expectation it will gross over a billion worldwide with ease, and will probably be the top performing box office film of the year. I found Avatar a remarkable experience to watch the first time, but the second was much weaker. The simplistic storyline (that arguably made it more accessible to a wider none sci fi audience),length and ,despite superb production values, still animated quality of the film and characters made it much less powerful. I still thought it was great great cinema, but I've watched it only a couple of time since. On TV the lack of 3D renders its charms even less impactful and considerably less engaging. I've watched Alien and Bladerunner at least half a dozen times during the same period. Prometheus, being filmed with significantly less "bluescreen" work has the advantage of allowing a considerablly great depth of field to be captured by the RED EPIC camera lense system like no other 3D film before. It is no coincidence that Peter Jackson is also using the same system to shoot the Hobbit. Ridley has really just pipped him to the post by getting his out first, as Jackson got the first camera production models to shoot with. And everyone who has seen what it looks like is knockout by the impact of the visuals. Its the next step forward which is why its been embraced so strongly by the industry.
Top film of the year? Well, the Dark Knight Rises is stiff competition but I cannot see it beatting the second film, which techniqually and structurally is perhaps the best graphic character story ever told and filmed. And Bane is a significantly less compelling character than the Joker.And the audience base whilst strong will be more or less the same age range as Prometheus,as they may have the same certificates.
The Avengers will be a massive player but again ,will it bring anything new to the table .I think not. The Hobbit will be huge but again its Christmas release date will limit its take this side of the year.
So why Prometheus? Because it has the entire year to perform. Its the darker twin of Avatar, perhaps more adult and it will play strongly to the world wide audience and there is huge interest in it because of the link to its "parent" film Alien. Everyone has seen Alien and they will want to see what shocking child Ridley has gestated this time. I think most of us here will be absolutely stunned by what he will produce. It has that vibe about it At least I HOPE and PRAY so.
 
No one has higher hopes for this film's commercial/ artistic prospects than I do.

That said, there is ZERO chance that Prometheus will gross "a billion" dollars. It won't even come close. Nor will it be the highest grossing film of 2012.

I truly believe we're in store for a good movie here, but some of us may need to manage our expectations a bit.

:)
 
I don't see Prometheus being nearly as financially successful as Avatar. It's not even aimed at the same market. Considering what it is, a sci-fi horror film, I think it will be very successful compared to others in similar genre, and probably the most lucrative of the entire franchise, but that's as far as it will go.

But I do think it will end up being one of this year's big "must see" films. This, Brave, Dark Knight Rises, and The Hobbit are the ones I'm looking forward to the most this year (the only ones that I'll be going out of my way to see in theaters opening weekend). And guess which one of those comes out first? :)
 
Went to a show tonight with a bunch of people and I have to admit it, we need a new trailer. Those of us who have been following this film have hung on every single frame of the teaser with so much excitement and scutiny, but to those who haven't... (sigh) sadly a ton of it is missed on them (and these are people who I KNOW will love this movie especially if they just knew more about it. They DO know it's an Alien related/prequel film at least). I know it's doing it's job as a 'teaser' .. but I want it to tease a little more to perk the interest of those who don't know, or aren't so sure. Guess i'm greedy.:lol
Btw.. The theater I went to tonight, not exactly sure what company outfitted it, but for some reason that particular screen/sound/everything- looked SO awesome tonight!:thumbsup
 
Went to a show tonight with a bunch of people and I have to admit it, we need a new trailer. Those of us who have been following this film have hung on every single frame of the teaser with so much excitement and scutiny, but to those who haven't... (sigh)

Like it or not, there's a frequently sizable gap between fanboy wishes and general audience box-office reality.

Hunger Games, Brave, Avengers, Skyfall, MiB3, Spiderman, and the Bourne reboot all have a good chance of generating serious B.O. coin in 2012 (just to pick a few likely examples).

Prometheus, a cerebral horror-sci-fi thriller with artistic pretensions (directed by a guy the majority of the target audience has never heard of and couldn't care less about) is a longer shot.

Not saying Prometheus won't be a big hit... it may well be. Even so, it's far from being the sure-fire crowd-pleaser some of us would like it to be.
 
Oh ye of little faith. This is is definitely designed to be a more mainstream than cerebral sci-fi. Fox does not spend that kind of huge budget for a script for an art house horror film whose total cost is approximately as large as the box office take for the original. Nor would it take this kind of stealth approach to "smothering" all prepublicity about the film unless it felt it had something exceptional on its hands. Thats generally not the way film marketing would handle it unless there was a very good reason.Sometimes a silence speaks louder than words.
My reasons why?

For a start the cast was deliberately international and its lead actors are really leads this time, not relative unknowns and they were not inexpensive to hire. And every single one of them that have done interviews (for other films mind you) have said what a fantastic experience it was to work on this picture, but not another word else about it. Don't you find the "gagging" orders imposed by FOX about talking about the film an interesting overkill? There is something they really don't want people to know about? And I'm VERY curious as to why.
If you go to IMDM there are plenty of clues if you start looking into the films crew credits. There are a large number of creature art design ,sculpture and effects technicians involved on this.Alot of them. And I note, puppet techs. Look towards the bottom of the listing. I wonder why? This has a very Alien/s profile. The prosthetics departments also get a very good look in too. Then read the other films the crew have worked on. Its an impressive range of talents,and again not inexpensive.
Neither are the Red Epic camera systems cheap to hire. You don't go top end /cutting edge on a possibly low return/ limited appeal movie. Note just how involved Weta are in shooting and effects. they aren't a cheap effects house either. Its all about the outlay verses profit and FOX will expect a more than reasonable return for this kind of money.
Audience appeal? Whether or not the film leans more towards the horror or action will depend on what Fox and Ridley believes will generate more income and what they can get past the classification Board. Doubtless there will be at least two versions even if one is re-released sometime later anyway, Sir Ridley has said as much. And Sir Ridley manages, every once in a while, to absolutely hit the nail on the head with the films he makes. I've a feeling this really is hammer time.
This will be "experience" cinema, trust me. The cinematography being used is ground breaking and the total investment way beyond expecttions for a mid box office performing movie.
They are desparately trying to keep all publicity about this film under wraps and thats atypical for any film production, particularly a large budget one.Just look at how much is out there about all the other summer blockbusters. Then try to dig up anything on Prometheus. Nada. Strange they should push so hard to keep everything under wraps. Unless there is a very GOOD reason for it.
 
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Even assuming everything you just wrote is true, it's immaterial to its potential box office.

If women are indifferent to this movie, it will do fine numbers. If women love this movie, then you can start to take aim at Avatar-esque numbers.
 
I love watching someone try to school Carson on something they really shouldn't doubt his insight on.
CutThumb, you're out of your depth here.
 
Nickytea, I'm not lecturing anyone, I'm merely pointing to the evidence. Go read the IMDM crew credit lists and I'll happily retract any inaccuracies on my part. There is a huge amount of high end talent involved in this. Anyone connected with the film industry will recognise the significant costings behind this production. This isn't Alien, done on a barrel scrapping budget. This is a state of the art production.
I include this quote from Darius Wolski, cinematographer. Go look at the films he has worked on then put that in to context with his statement.

Ridley Scotts ‘Alien’ prequel, ‘Prometheus’ shot on RED Epic cameras. Dariusz Wolski had this to say about the Epic camera:

In my opinion, the new Red Epic camera is about to revolutionize all spectrums of the film industry.

I am amazed with the quality of the image and the fact that you can shoot 5k at 120fps without compromising resolution, and most of all the size of the camera.

Combined with the Element Technica Atom 3d rig, we will be able to shoot a 3d movie with the flexibility of a conventional cinema camera.

I don’t see anything that comes close to it at the moment. I can’t even imagine the potential Epic will have on the big blockbuster industry as well as independent cinema.


I perfectly agree box office is a hugely unpredictable beast. Titanic was sunk even before it sailed into the cinemas and went mega. The negativity surrounding the production of Avatar was massive, Camerons career savaged to death by giant blue skinned cats before it was previewed. And we all know what happened then. Inception came out of nowhere with a similarly quiet publicity campaign up to until release then did huge box office. Not bad for an intelligent, thoughful and clever sci fi story about dreams. Prometheus has the same feeling to it.
I agree women represent a major proportion of box office reciepts. I would point out it was originally the introduction of Ripleys strong willed lead woman character in Alien and then again as the kick ass war mother in Aliens that made her a role model for heroines ever since then in the cinema to date . She changed the industries expectations. It is no coincidence that both the lead role in this story is yet again female (apparently there is also a "doomed love" backstory ,also very popular with the ladies), and it appears the main antagonist is also female ( "mad women" are also very popular cinema characters).
All of this may possibly be speculation on my part, but its based on the available evidence out there. Give me a well reasoned arguement to the contrary and you'll get no protests from me. Ultimately the film is the test. If it fails it I will be saddened because it means FOX and other big distributers will not fund any other sci fi projects and that will be hugely depressing news for all of us. "John Carter" faces that challenge as we speak, nobody has a clue how it will perform but many are so negative already about the films name and the fact its based on a turn of the last century novel they are trying to bury it before it gets going. Word of mouth should prove otherwise. Out in a week or so. Go see it and support sci fi's future in the cinema.
 
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No one has higher hopes for this film's commercial/ artistic prospects than I do.

That said, there is ZERO chance that Prometheus will gross "a billion" dollars. It won't even come close. Nor will it be the highest grossing film of 2012.

I truly believe we're in store for a good movie here, but some of us may need to manage our expectations a bit.

:)
My daughter was convinced that The Twilight film, Breaking Dawn would be a world box office beater and would also be a huge contribution to human achievement, surpassing all that came before it.....there are drooling fan-boys and girls for just about everything out there.....

.......i've failed as a father.....

Rich
 
I hope that I will be able to see it in 2D in a good theatre.

Me too. I am not very fond of this whole 3D gibberish. All i saw in 3D so far were not better with it. At first in Avatar it was something new, but that was all. Soon I realized how dark the images were with these stupid glasses, also they are total blurred, especially towards the edges of the screen. Also the glasses became always enoying after a while, too heavy and painfull at the nose (they are normally not very well made for people who need normal glasses under this stupid things), so that I take them off for while during the longer movies and well, then the all I see is a total blurred, but, oh wonder, light picture. Sometimes all the 3D stuff seems also not as consistent throughout the movie itself as if they make the first parts of them completely in 3D and at some scenes not to safe money. Hugo Cabret was such a case. Parts where very much 3D and later the same environment seemed not to be so much 3D like as before.

Nowadays I am used to high definition movies with extreme sharp and detailed, perfect enlightened pictures to all parts of the screen, where I can see every detail totally perfect, from the things in the middle to the edges.
 
Interesting to see that we are debating the success of the film based on box-office sales. I couldn't care less whether this is the next Titanic/Avatar or a total financial flop. All I want is a movie that I am still talking about and thinking about in 3-5 years and it hasn't been buried under a mountain of equally mediocre movies. I would be hard pressed to even hope that it would be as epic as the original, but as long as it is good and memorable to me, I could care less what the masses think of it.
 
I couldn't agree more, Art.

Naturally I'd like all artistically ambitious sci-fi movies to perform well financially because it would increase our chances of seeing more of them.

At the end of the day however I just want to see a good film, irrespective of how many "billions" it pulls in at the box office. Hell, one of my favorite sci-fi flicks of the last decade is Soderberg's Solaris remake, and it was a huge bomb.
 
Box office for last years films.

1 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 WB $1,328.1 $381.0 28.7% $947.1 71.3%
2 Transformers: Dark of the Moon P/DW $1,123.7 $352.4 31.4% $771.4 68.6%
3 Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides BV $1,043.9 $241.1 23.1% $802.8 76.9%
4 The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 1 Sum. $702.3 $281.3 40.1% $421.0 59.9%
5 Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol Par. $671.1 $207.5 30.9% $463.5 69.1%
6 Kung Fu Panda 2 P/DW $665.7 $165.2 24.8% $500.4 75.2%
7 Fast Five Uni. $626.1 $209.8 33.5% $416.3 66.5%
8 The Hangover Part II WB $581.5 $254.5 43.8% $327.0 56.2%
9 The Smurfs Sony $563.7 $142.6 25.3% $421.1 74.7%
10 Cars 2 BV $559.9 $191.5 34.2% $368.4 65.8%
11 Puss in Boots P/DW $528.6 $149.1 28.2% $379.5 71.8%
12 Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows WB $510.5 $185.5 36.3% $325.0 63.7%
13 Rio Fox $484.6 $143.6 29.6% $341.0 70.4%
14 Rise of the Planet of the Apes Fox $481.8 $176.8 36.7% $305.0 63.3%
15 Thor Par. $449.3 $181.0 40.3% $268.3 59.7%
16 The Adventures of Tintin Par. $372.1 $76.6 20.6% $295.4 79.4%
17 Captain America: The First Avenger Par. $368.6 $176.7 47.9% $192.0 52.1%
18 X-Men: First Class Fox $353.6 $146.4 41.4% $207.2 58.6%
19 Alvin and the Chipmunks: Chipwrecked Fox $326.4 $130.0 39.8% $196.4 60.2%
20 Real Steel BV $295.5 $85.5 28.9% $210.0

Three franchised films broke the billion mark. The most common complaint leveled at those films was that the 3D wasn't really very effective and not worth the extra outlay. Infact 3D has been showing a pretty rapid decline in popularity. Yet some people were still paying the higher ticket prices to go see them last year, if not in the numbers expected.
Of the six films in that top twenty that I could be interested enough to see (hint;there was only one in the top eleven) "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" was by far and away the best. An old remake ,but an intelligently scripted , cleverly referential and above all a technically brilliant updated version of an old favorite. Done in 2D. Soft marketing release but carried by very positive word of mouth by the viewing public.
My original point was that expectations of box office performance based on the technical improvements in 3D that Prometheus will introduce back into the cinemas make it a likely candidate to break the billion worldwide. The feedback on the visuals produced by the people using it are staggeringly positive. Thats why many current production teams in the process of shooting, most noteably "The Hobbit" are going berserk over it. Interestingly Prometheus, The Hobbit and Rise of the Planet also all employed Weta as the key effects company. So its going to look very good at the least. And that will mean the masses will be more willing to pay higher prices for tickets if the rest of the film is even just reasonably acceptabe to hardened sci fi critics like myself. As far as I'm concerned there have only ever been two Alien films.
Before the trailer, particularly when the photo stills were released the opinion was overwhelming negative,it didn't look right . I did stick up a post that the reason they appeared like that was the requirements to light the set for 3D shooting ment alot of post set alteration was to be done, but it was largely ignored.
Then the trailer hit and opinion swung the otherway.We saw very little that trailer, one minute of film but it looked spectacular. Reading between the lines its the tip of the iceberg. I suspect what we will get because it is Ridley is a visually stunning director and produces truely authentic feeling films ,which may be enhanced for once by the 3D tech hes used. And because he has become more commercial over the years it will contain far more action than the original, perhaps more like Aliens. Certainly the employment of puppeteers and creature manufacture and design teams in the crew credits suggest this. Also the fact there are "Mercenaries" ie paid soldiers in the Prometheus crew profile suggest plenty of combat is likely. And I also find it quite hard to believe they got Giger across just to paint a few muriels. The man who designed the biomorph look? Pull the other one mate.
So there we are. A film that will look spectacular, made by a director who has produced two of the most outstanding sci-fi films ever, with a huge fan base ,built up over thirty years, shot with the best tech available at this time on a huge budget, with everybody involved gagged to the nines because the story is supposed to be that good . Oh and Ridley is already talking of sequels. That takes confidence one hundred days before its even released.
I'm sorry that people have taken so negatively to my comments. I saw the original cinema release of Alien as a teenager in the 70's and it has remained in my top five sci fi films ,along with ESB,SW, Aliens and Bladerunner ever since. All of them unique and warmly recalled episodes in my cinema viewing history ,rarely to be repeated. To me that feels like a thirty odd year drought, with a lot promised to quench my thirst but in the end very,very little that ever managed to do so.
But I really do believe that Prometheus will hit that spot. Honestly. That does not make me a raging fanboy, just a man who remembers how strongly he loves a really GOOD film at the cinema, and for that moment when you really cannot believe what you are seeing on the screen its that brilliant and you are left with that slightly empty feeling when it all ends that can only be filled by seeing it again. Which is what I assumed this website was all about. But it appears I may have even got that wrong.
 
That does not make me a raging fanboy...

It's the 10,000 word count rants that make you a raging fanboy. :)

I'm jazzed for this movie too but Ridley Scott has made a lot of bad movies as well as some good ones.

Lots of luck is involved in film making. Sometimes the pieces just don't add up even though it should.

Nick
 
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