And that is nothing but opinion.
Yet SO many people loved them that they made literally BILLIONS of dollars.
Word of mouth works, if a movie truly sucks it does terrible.
Just because a bunch of fanboys were disappointed doesn't make it bad.
Revenge of the Sith Climactic Lightsaber Duel - 5 Years Later
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And that is nothing but opinion.
Yet SO many people loved them that they made literally BILLIONS of dollars.
Word of mouth works, if a movie truly sucks it does terrible.
Just because a bunch of fanboys were disappointed doesn't make it bad.
jts1031
Sr Member
The only thing that I got out of the Sith finale duel is that it's the first time we see a Jedi win a saber fight without tapping in to the dark side. ANH - Obi Wan lets Vader win, but he wasn't anywhere close to beating him. Empire - Vader dominates. Jedi - Luke controls the fight, but doesn't dominate until he taps the dark side. Phantom - Obi Wan beats Maul when he goes berserk over the death of Qui Gon. Clones - Dooku dominates, until Yoda shows up, but Yoda doesn't beat him either. So Obi Wan taking out Anakin in Sith is the first time we see a clean Jedi win.
Wakeem
Sr Member
Actually, many bad movies and products still manage to make a lot of money. People will still want to see how bad something is. Also, with reviewers/media being the way it is. Most people won't know whatever product (movie, book, car, videogame, etc) is bad until it's too late. All of the prequels had strong initial reviews.
cayman shen
Master Member
THANK you. Micdavis, I respect your intelligence enough to assume that you don't think popularity=quality. I mean, let's compare Throne of Blood and Transformers. One is hailed as a masterpiece of world cinema. One is widely reviled as trash. But the trash made more money. I mean, just turn on the radio or television and tell me that you think being popular is actually the same as being good. A lot of people CAN be wrong. Especially when the minority are more educated in matters of aesthetics (and if that sounds snobby, so be it. I'm no populist...)
We can all list movies, bands, shows, books, etc that those in the know can explain why they're awful, but they'll still rake in the dough. Know why? Because safe, middle of the road, simplistic crap has the broadest appeal. Now I'm not saying the OT is placed at some lofty, rarefied height, but it has a LOT to recommend it. Everything that made it entertaining is missing from the PT. And back to your money argument, a LOT of people saw the PT hoping it'd be good, so there's one ticket sale. Many went back to give it another shot, so that's a second ticket sale. Many initially liked it out of sheer enthusiasm for the brand before allowing themselves to admit that the magic was dead (I deluded myself into liking these movies for years...still do on a good day). I bet a ton of folks fall into that last category. And it's not just jumping on some basher bandwagon, either. It's being swayed by solid reasoning.
Just as the movies made a ton of money, so they've generated a ton of detractors. How many billions MORE might they have made if they were better?
(All this coming from the guy who loves AVP:R. You're an enigma, Cayman Shen....:lol)
We can all list movies, bands, shows, books, etc that those in the know can explain why they're awful, but they'll still rake in the dough. Know why? Because safe, middle of the road, simplistic crap has the broadest appeal. Now I'm not saying the OT is placed at some lofty, rarefied height, but it has a LOT to recommend it. Everything that made it entertaining is missing from the PT. And back to your money argument, a LOT of people saw the PT hoping it'd be good, so there's one ticket sale. Many went back to give it another shot, so that's a second ticket sale. Many initially liked it out of sheer enthusiasm for the brand before allowing themselves to admit that the magic was dead (I deluded myself into liking these movies for years...still do on a good day). I bet a ton of folks fall into that last category. And it's not just jumping on some basher bandwagon, either. It's being swayed by solid reasoning.
Just as the movies made a ton of money, so they've generated a ton of detractors. How many billions MORE might they have made if they were better?
(All this coming from the guy who loves AVP:R. You're an enigma, Cayman Shen....:lol)
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cayman shen
Master Member
I agree. The difference is I'm not bothered that you expressed that opinion.
I'm a huge SW fan, and I'm a huge PT fan. The PT is not as good at the OT but I still really like it and watch those 3 movies on a regular basis.
The build-up for this battle was 20 years in the making and for me it did not deliver. It was not what I was expecting. It was not what I wanted. I remember even on the first viewing at the midnight show being disappointed with the duel.
It seemed forced. It seemed choreographed. The editing was choppy. It seemed more like gentlemen fencing then someone who had anger and jealousy issues trying with unbelievable rage to murder someone else. I didn't buy it.
But in the context of the movie it's fine and I don't dislike it so much I can't enjoy Ep3. It was just not what I expected.
If you want to see what the duel should have looked like, click here. One fighting area, switching between close-up shots (but not too close) and wide shots, and emotional impact.
YouTube - Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon duel scene
The only difference between this clip and the duel in Ep3 is that in Ep3 there is only one girl fighting with a sword.
The build-up for this battle was 20 years in the making and for me it did not deliver. It was not what I was expecting. It was not what I wanted. I remember even on the first viewing at the midnight show being disappointed with the duel.
It seemed forced. It seemed choreographed. The editing was choppy. It seemed more like gentlemen fencing then someone who had anger and jealousy issues trying with unbelievable rage to murder someone else. I didn't buy it.
But in the context of the movie it's fine and I don't dislike it so much I can't enjoy Ep3. It was just not what I expected.
If you want to see what the duel should have looked like, click here. One fighting area, switching between close-up shots (but not too close) and wide shots, and emotional impact.
YouTube - Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon duel scene
The only difference between this clip and the duel in Ep3 is that in Ep3 there is only one girl fighting with a sword.
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