Revenge of the Sith Climactic Lightsaber Duel - 5 Years Later

I believe that this was partially rectified in the SE, although his saber did turn green at one point.
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Because he was happy! :lol

Where did he ever say that? If he was that much stronger Obi Wan couldn't have held against Anakin's Force push. Anakin would have overpowered him.
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It was in one of the documentaries on the special features but it was always supposed to be like that from things I have heard since before the PT. As much as I *HATE* this part of "Cannon" it is reinforced by Anakin's midichlorian count (Obi even notes that it's higher that Yoda's). Anakin is more powerful but Obi Wan, Yoda, etc... are far better trained and are better able to harness the force. Hence why Obi stands toe to toe with Anakin and is able to eventually defeat him.

It also explains why Anakin was supposed to be the Chosen One.
 
foxbatkllr said:
deals =\= speaks
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I've seen some funny explanations from apologists in my day, but... :lol

I watched the duel on YouTube, just to refresh my memory. It truly is ridiculous the things they do. It just looks like an acrobatic stunt show. After watching that I watched the ANH duel. It's a completely different experience. I love the silence broken only by the buzzing and cracking of lightsabers and the words of both warriors. And they did it all within a 10 foot area. :wacko
 
I still believe the Phantom Menace Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon vs Maul is the best saber scene in the prequels. However, that fight scene is the only reason to own the movie (I still don't own it). The Revenge of the Sith final battle is ok. But we are told everything about Anakin. He wants more power, wants to save Padme, doesn't like Obi-Wan, he is the chosen one. But barely if never see any of these things. Anakin only defeated Dooku and Dooku ran from Yoda in Episode II. Maybe if we see Anakin defeating a bunch of Jedi in the temple. But the the Jedi were made to look almost bumbling in the prequel movies. There isn't a real character growth with Anakin similar to Luke in the original films. Even if the fight scenes are slower in the originals, they mean more. There isn't a real sense of betrayal between Obi-Wan and Anakin in the prequels because they are barely together. There also should have been more talking in that final Sith battle. More of the Vader from Empire and Return of the Jedi.

MooMooEgg said:
Yeah, I remember that as well, and I believe that was originally done because McDiarmid had trouble holding the Sidious saber in both hands so they wrote that in so he could get a longer saber hilt.

I just think it was a missed opportunity in making Sidious really dangerous and unique. I mean, you see the jedis and sith having to stop dueling in order to use one hand for a force push. Imagine if they had Sidious wield his saber with only one hand all the time, leaving him with a free hand to be cheap and force push/pull without having to stop fighting.

And that's where I could see a pirouette coming in handy. Attack with your saber, spin, and have your hand out ready to do a force push behind you before the pirouette is complete.
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This is really the whole problem with the prequels. I recall watching the DVD extras on Sith (I rented it) and either George Lucas or the producer mentions that the Jedi death scenes were second unit and pickup shots. This scene should have been scary at how strong the Emperor is. Force throws, lightning, chokes, etc. Instead we get a bunch of Jedi who get a warning and have lightsabers ready. The Emperor ignites his saber, does a spinning jump, pauses and still these Jedi Masters aren't ready.

Vaderman said:
Also it is said somewhere that they are becoming arrogant (Maybe Yoda says it?) Which would account for some of the flair and spinning the lightsaber in between steps, etc. They just got accustomed to kicking so much a$$. Remember they didn't know what "that was" when they met Maul. Clearly, they hadn't faced a foe from the Sith in a long while.

So, I was also disappointed to not see Anakin with a red saber for the final battle.
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Yoda is something like 800 years old. So at best, he should have either faught a Sith before or have direct knowledge from his former Master. Plus there is that huge library in the Jedi Temple. It shouldn't be a "who is that guy" moment when a guy with a red lightsaber shows up. Oh, and the Emperor could have easily pulled a red crystal from somewhere when he was quickly deciding to call Anakin - Darth Vader...There is a lot of stuff we are told about the Jedi to explain their demise. They are "arrogant" and "losing their connection with the force." Still many aren't arrogant. Aayla Secura wasn't arrogant in the comics and was still able to easily defectly blaster shots so wasn't losing her connection to the force either. The whole thing is kind of silly. The real reason the Jedi die is that they are too good and trusting. Which is handled extremely poorly in the films. There is debate over everything except the notion of having a clone of a bounty hunter who attempted to kill a senator and did kill a Jedi fighting behind you...
 
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Sluis Van Shipyards said:
Where did he ever say that? If he was that much stronger Obi Wan couldn't have held against Anakin's Force push. Anakin would have overpowered him.
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Anakin may have been more powerful, but his rage and arrogance unbalanced him, giving Obi Wan more advantage in addition to better training.

That aside, I recall the advanced promotion for ROTS, and how the final duel was the longest in Star Wars history. Well, it was that, but it was far from the best. The last time I saw it in the theater (granted it was the seventh time, I had a headache, and it was the third in a three movie marathon), I just walked out half way through the duel.

And since the music from the duel was also used in ALL the promotional spots, eventually it just got on my nerves.

Personally, I thought the Obi/Anakin/Dooku duel at the beginning was better. It just seemed less contrived.
 
So this will probably echo someone's else's post, but I got bored of reading and felt like a comment. ROTS, boo. All the kicking was a distraction for me. I expected it to be so much more and was left unfulfilled.
The TPM duel was better, hands down the best of the prequels(but I liked the duel between Maul and Qui gon on Tatooine too), but when you watch it, Obi performs the same move over and over. Spin and slash, spin and slash. Qui gon sets it up for him at least three times. It was cool though, if you can get past that.
The duel in AOTC was pretty lackluster too. With all the editing between Anakin and Dooku's faces, they looked like they were in some club with the Situation. And with Anakin wielding two sabers....it had such promise. Yoda and Dooku was too quick to be cool.
My favorite duels are the Luke and Vader's. ESB because the back ground is so cool and plays into the scene well. Watching Luke and taking into account how we saw him in ANH...I would have liked to see him gain those skills while on Dagovah. ROTJ because of the same. When Luke force pulls his saber out from under the Emperor, you know its on.
 
IT was total crap. Yea. I said it. Don't want to fuss too much, but the whole prequel trilogy SHOULD have had Obi-wan as being the best swordsman the Jedi could muster. Instead he oops his way through all this. I mean, he did, after all beat Darth Maul, and Gerneral Grevious, and survived the order 66 or what ever it was to kill all the jedi. Yet, it gets played way too often that Ob-wan is just not as good ad Anakin, and he defeats him with a stroke of luck? Not buying ANY of it.
 
It works so much better with the red sabre, easier to follow, they should do an insert with sidious voiceover of him handing over the new sabre.
I to wondered what was up with yoda just giving up, sidious was trying to run away at the start of the fight, so that infered that he realised yoda was more powerfull.
To me the ending of the film is good, but its not great, theres just something lacking in it.
 
Tan Djarka said:
I didn't say it was any less far fetched... :lol Just less contrived.
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To clarify, do you mean "contrived" in the sense of "We've obviously positioned everything like this to get this shot" as opposed to just the fight developing in the moment?
 
It's remarkable that 5 YEARS later some folks still ***** about it.

I hate a movie I forget all about it.

Move along.
 
MooMooEgg said:
I had a WTF face on when Dooku dropped the platform onto Obi-Wan and it didn't break his legs or sever them completely.
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God, that was ridiculous, and sooooo fake looking (though to answer your question, there were little cut outs, but then it didn't pin his legs, so why bother?!). Why not just slam him into the wall and he's stunned/unconscious? Lucas seemed to create unnecessary excuses to use awful looking effects. He really should have clung to the in-camera aesthetic unless ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. Which this wasn't. Sidious flipping off the chair or whatever in the Mace duel is another example. Random, stupid CG guy flipping for no reason. Totally took me out of it. We all fell in love with the OT without all the stupid shenanigans.

I also loathe being told to "move along" for the record. Cliche and condescending. By the same token, those who don't want to hear us whine could move along as well. Nuf said (Aaarrgggh, I hate that phrase even more! It's like talking to a dog! So rude!)
 
Eh, yes, you CAN tear down anything...obviously there's gonna be differences of opinion. But some movies are overwhelming critical successes. Sure, not everyone's gonna like Robocop, but it's generally considered a quality film (I'm sticking to genre film examples). Or Bladerunner. Or Pulp Fiction. Or Predator. On and on...yes, you could cut down all those films, but you'd have to be pretty petty, and you'd be fighting the tide of widespread respect they've received among those who like these sort of things. The PT is so staggeringly flawed I think it almost blows people's minds, like they HAVE to obsess over it because the artistic and technical mess that it ended up being is almost incomprehensible. Would I cut down Robocop? No. Would I cut down Robocop 3? Mercilessly. Would I cut down The Godfather? No. Godfather 3? Without end. It's not like the PT are the first sequels to be reviled having followed beloved originals. People still complain about the last two Alien films. Why? Because they weren't as good as their very high quality predecessors and disappointed fans can't help but ruminate on what might have been.
 
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