Red Hood Pepakura File

[BlackKaos]

That's where you are COMPLETELY missing the point! Step back and read my posts again. You keep going on and on and on about me being upset over a red hood character. There have been many people remake the character and I don't get upset because they did the work themselves. LIKE IF HAVE SAID IN THE PAST POSTS! I DONT care if someone makes a red hood pepakura file or a WHOLE suit for all I care. The fact that someone uses a model created by someone else and claims it as their own work is completely disrespectful. You need to build your respect and credibility on your own merit, not someone elses!

Also, you are the one that was calling me a plagiarist for making a pep file of the red hood because I didn't create the character which I was disagreeing with and saying IF that was the case then all the members plagiarize and now you say that plagiarism is when you take someone else work and claim it as their own.....so that would be Don, not me!

There was another member on here recently that was selling ripped batman arkham asylum/city game models to members and claiming the models as his own, do you think that is right?????? Making a profit OR a name of someone elses work? Which is exactly what Don is doing, trying to make a name of someone elses work. Those game modelers didn't create the Batman character, they just re-designed it, which is the SAME thing I'm doing. If you agree that was wrong then what's the difference from a professional 3D modeler's work being ripped of then mine? I don't lay claim to the red hood character and not once have I said I did or any other character but I did put work and my time in to all my models like any other legitament member does! There is no difference if I would have hand sculpted the model and he recast it. I still "sculpted" the model using a 3d program, like I said, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!! He is taking credit for work SOMEONE else did whether I created the character or not.

Also when I tell you to mind your own business then it's because you completely miss the point of this forum and the reason for my posts! And its not your lack of experience that offends me, it's your ignorance! Ignorant to the fact that you never created anything, spent free time making it that I don't have because I have a full time job and a family to have someone take the model and claim it like they did something amazing and when they are confronted by it and made public. I have A**holes (capital "A") telling him "good job", really??????? Like I said, that's why I'm offended. If you like recasters then join another forum. Your just upset because you are going to use this pepakura file as your first build and it's someone elses file! That's the only reason you put your two cents in so yes, I'm offended.

 

[Don]

Like I said to ExileArchery......mind your own business. What work have you ever done other then to suck on the teet of others?!!!! And to be upset over recasting, digital or otherwise, there is no difference. By telling him that he did a good job you are basically saying you are fine with people recasting! Which this forum is SUPPOSE to take a very negative view on!!! So maybe you shouldn't be apart of this forum.

Also by selling the pepakura file....it is the model! What do you think pepakura is??????? And I shouldn't have to worry about having control over my models because people shouldn't atler them and claim them as there own, trying to make a name for themselves on other people's work and merit.

And by the way......don't worry about seeing anymore work from him in the future because my files are now password locked so they can't be exported!! Unless he steals someone elses files.

Good, so if I happen to make the same (object) pep file similar to your's it wouldn't be a problem anymore, right?

 

[ExileArchery]

Good, so if I happen to make the same (object) pep file similar to your's it wouldn't be a problem anymore, right?

Don, I look forward to seeing more of your work in the future. Again, I'm sorry for hijacking your thread; after this I may just drop back into the background. Although I do still plan on making this pep into a full helmet, so perhaps a build thread at some point.

BlackKaos, for the last time, my issue is not with recasting or even plagiarism, my issue is with your over-reaction to this. Calm down. Your first post in this thread started with all caps and well over a dozen exclamation points. You quickly sunk to the level of threats and name-calling. I understand that you are upset over this matter, however, a better solution would have been to message Don and if that didn't work to your satisfaction then you message the moderators. Charging in screaming and shouting, and I think a dozen exclamation points qualifies as such, does nobody any good.

 

[BlackKaos]

Good, so if I happen to make the same (object) pep file similar to your's it wouldn't be a problem anymore, right?

I don't care if you make every pepakura file similar to mine! Don't alter my files.

Also ExileArchery, No now you are changing your story and saying it's not because of plagiarism when you called me a plagiarist for making a pep file of the red hood in the first place basically saying what's there is no difference if he alters one of my files because the red hood is not mine to claim, not because I got upset. I don't care if he makes 100 red hood pep files. As long as they aren't mine then I don't care.

 

[ExileArchery]

BlackKaos- Actually what I accused you of is being a hypocrite. You took a piece of intellectual property that does not belong to you, modified it for your own purposes and are distributing it as you see fit. That is exactly what you are accusing others of doing. You feel that Don took a piece of your property, modified it and is distributing it as he sees fit. How is that any different from what you are doing? I couldn't care less what you call it, plagiarism or recasting.

The point I'm attempting to make with this is that ranting and raving at whomever doesn't agree with you just makes you a jerk. You are blowing the whole issue out of proportion. Swearing (even with the * to make it through the filters), threatening, and name calling don't help either. For most people on this board this is a hobby, something fun to do with their free time. The whole reason I posted on this thread to begin with is because I am used to coming here and reading threads of support and free exchange of ideas. Seeing posts like yours drive down the whole community.

When this all started, Don offered to send you his files so you could inspect them for yourself. Have you even looked at them yet? He has attempted to handle this in a calm and rational manner. Everybody in this thread has been calm and willing to discuss the matter, except you. You jump on anybody that posts anything that doesn't completely agree with your own point of view. You have even suggested that somebody leave the forum because they dared to agree with Don and not you.

 

[Dracosfire83]

I look at it like this the BlackKaos file started out as this

and ended like this


While Dons file started out as this


and ended like this



Also looks like ExileArchery is a sockpuppet account.

 

[ExileArchery]

Also looks like ExileArchery is a sockpuppet account.

I actually think that is the first time I have been accused of that. Sorry to disappoint though, I am my own individual.

 

[BlackKaos]

Also looks like ExileArchery is a sockpuppet account.

Sadly, I have been thinking the same thing. Has been on this forum since April and doesn't comment until now? And not only comments but is very opinionated about the issue as if he has something to gain or lose.

ExileArchery, try and stick with me here. I know it's hard to see anything past your own face but I have stated over and over again. I'm not complaining about him having a red hood pep file! Like I said it's because he used my file to make it! That's why I am mad but you don't get it and you don't have anything in it so stay out of it.

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Thank you for finally backing me Dracosfire83. I'm glad that I'm not the only one that sees this.

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Do me a favor ExileArchery.....turn to your left (because he's probably sitting in the same room as you or is you) and tell Don to stop digital recasting my models.

 

[ExileArchery]

BlackKaos- Actually what I accused you of is being a hypocrite. You took a piece of intellectual property that does not belong to you, modified it for your own purposes and are distributing it as you see fit. That is exactly what you are accusing others of doing. You feel that Don took a piece of your property, modified it and is distributing it as he sees fit. How is that any different from what you are doing? I couldn't care less what you call it, plagiarism or recasting.

The point I'm attempting to make with this is that ranting and raving at whomever doesn't agree with you just makes you a jerk. You are blowing the whole issue out of proportion. Swearing (even with the * to make it through the filters), threatening, and name calling don't help either. For most people on this board this is a hobby, something fun to do with their free time. The whole reason I posted on this thread to begin with is because I am used to coming here and reading threads of support and free exchange of ideas. Seeing posts like yours drive down the whole community.

When this all started, Don offered to send you his files so you could inspect them for yourself. Have you even looked at them yet? He has attempted to handle this in a calm and rational manner. Everybody in this thread has been calm and willing to discuss the matter, except you. You jump on anybody that posts anything that doesn't completely agree with your own point of view. You have even suggested that somebody leave the forum because they dared to agree with Don and not you.

I'm going to go ahead and quote myself since you seem unwilling or unable to have read it the first time. I agree wholeheartedly that it doesn't have anything to do with the specific character of Red Hood. My problem with you is that you are getting bent out of shape about somebody doing the exact same thing you are doing. It's the fact that you are yelling and screaming at anyone who dares to disagree with you. It's that you are suggesting that people leave the board because they disagree with you. I'm voicing my opinion at this particular time because I get annoyed when people try to dominate an otherwise friendly board. I get fed up with bullies driving people away from public forums because they can't stand when somebody has an opinion other than theirs.

As for me being a sock-puppet. Why don't you ask the moderators to do an IP check. I'm not Don, I've never met or spoken to Don. Believe it or not, I disagree with you and dislike how you treat people even though I have no personal stake in this issue.

 

[BlackKaos]

You call me a hypocrite! I have never taken another person's model and altered it to claim it as my own. That's the difference that you COMPLETELY overlook! Like I said it's not that he modeled a red hood file it's that he used my 3d model to do it and claimed it as being a "scratch" build model! That's what we call "digital recasting". So I am nothing like Don! Am I spelling it out clear enough for you?

And I treat people better then what you are trying to say I do. I agree this is a friendly forum but not when this happens then I'm not friendly anymore. When I smell BS, I call them out on it (no point in sugar coating it) and it also ticks me off when someone comments on something they know NOTHING about. You are not a 3d modeler so it's not your lack of experience in cosplay or replica prop making or what ever you want to call it. It's the fact that you are completely ignorant to 3d modeling and are less likely or not able to pick up on things that other experienced members can spot. (Example: I wouldn't give you advice or comment on rocket science because I'm have no experience in the matter and I'm not a rocket scientist). I'm very respectful when respect is needed and is deserved. But when you comment and defend someone who doesn't deserve defending them you get NO respect! I posted comments on this forum to public tell people that he digital recasted my file so if you know nothing about 3d modeling then don't comment because you have no real input on the topic. And you tell me that I should have emailed Don before this, well I did and I got a response back that he created the model himself which I know is not true. I have also reported the post to the mods and I'm waiting for a response so the only other logical choice is to call him out on it. And if you are not familiar with the forum then you also have to have proof which is what I have been doing with my posts until you decided to put your two cents in. So don't tell me I'm not doing things right because I have done them and I give respect where it's deserved.

You still sit here and say I do the same thing as Don when I never have complained about him making a red hood file, just the fact he used my file to do it and claimed it as his own. If I was SOOO upset over someone making a redhood or other pep file then there are many other threads I would be focusing on and also getting upset over but that's not the case, AT ALL! So your reason holds NO water!

 

[ExileArchery]

It's the fact that you are completely ignorant to 3d modeling and are less likely or not able to pick up on things that other experienced members can spot. (Example: I wouldn't give you advice or comment on rocket science because I'm have no experience in the matter and I'm not a rocket scientist). I'm very respectful when respect is needed and is deserved. But when you comment and defend someone who doesn't deserve defending them you get NO respect! I posted comments on this forum to public tell people that he digital recasted my file so if you know nothing about 3d modeling then don't comment because you have no real input on the topic.

You are absolutely correct. I don't know anything about 3d modeling. That's why I have not commented on it at all. Not once have I addressed whether or not this was originally your file. Feel free to go actually read my posts if you don't believe me. The point I address is your response to the issue.

For the absolutely last time. I do not care if this is a case of digital plagiarism. I do not care. I am not addressing that at all. What I am attempting to convey to you in as clear terms as I possibly can is that I find you immature and lacking in any type of manners.

I have used the red hood file as an example simply because that's what this thread is about. Without using the words red or hood at all, here is what I see:
You have taken the design of a helmet from DC Comics.
This is a piece of intellectual property that does not belong to you.
You have taken that design and modified it for your own use by modeling it and turning it into a PDO.
You are distributing that file how you see fit. In this case, selling it.

Now, lets look at what you are accusing Don of:
Taking a file that 'belongs' to you.
Modifying it for his own use.
Distributing it how he sees fit.

So we have two lists that contain:
Taking a piece of design work that does not belong to you,
Modifying it based on your own needs.
Distributing that design without any concern for the original owner.

Based on those lists, can you see why I think it is a bit hypocritical to come into this thread screaming?

THAT IS MY FILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am absolutely not claiming that you did not put work into this file. I fully agree that if he took your file and claimed it as his own that would be digital recasting.

I am trying to tell you to act like an adult. If you have reported this to the moderators, then drop it and wait for a response. Before I posted for the first time you made eight comments on this thread, including calling Don a lying thief. I do not see at all how you could consider this 'friendly' or 'respectful'. I stepped in because I personally dislike that sort of behavior. Not because I know anything at all about 3d modeling and what it takes to make or modify a pepakura file. I continue to argue this with you, not because I have any hope of convincing you of anything, but because I want you to see that not everybody will be bullied by your shouting and name calling.

 

[BlackKaos]

AGAIN! You COMPLETELY missed the point! I could understand what you are saying if I was complaining about him doing a red hood pepakura file but I'M NOT! This is completely different then what you are saying.

Again for the hundredth time......I don't care if he makes a red hood file. What I did was model something after an already existing character and distributed it because the 3d model is my model that I created from scratch, regardless if it's based of an already exist character (You have to take that out of play because that doesn't matter because replica props or cosplay is about recreating an already existing character) Im not trying to make people think I created the red hood character but only acknowledge that I created a good 3d model that I did MYSELF. That's why people get offended when their stuff is recasted. Talk to any member that sell replica items that they created about recasting/recasters and see what they say!

What he did was take my model, altered it, claimed it as his own "scratch" build model (like he did something great) and is distributing it. BIG DIFFERENCE! Now if he would have modeled a file from scratch and distributed it then I wouldn't have said a word, other then good job but I'm not telling someone good job for taking credit for someone else's (especially my) work!

And again....If you think I'm a hypocrite for creating something from an already existing character and complaining because someone recasted my work (digital or not) then WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON THIS FORUM???? (Hello......replica prop forum AKA props/costumes that are created or replicated from existing props/costumes) There have been MANY people banned from this forum for recasting and that's what needs to happen here. Research anywhere on ANY forum like this and they will tell you the SAME thing! Recasting is a BIG no no when it comes to replica props or cosplay.

Everyone on here makes replica props/costumes so again, what is your point!? But everyone here doesn't take credit for other peoples work, whether they originally created the character or not. There are people that make replica costumes all the time because other people want to create costumes that are SPECIFIC already existing characters so I model them for people to buy. Again the point isn't modeling or creating something from a character that already exits.....the point is taking credit for someone else's work! And to thank someone or tell them they did a good job for someone else's work is ridiculous!

 

[BlackKaos]

I am trying to tell you to act like an adult. If you have reported this to the moderators, then drop it and wait for a response. Before I posted for the first time you made eight comments on this thread, including calling Don a lying thief. I do not see at all how you could consider this 'friendly' or 'respectful'. I stepped in because I personally dislike that sort of behavior. Not because I know anything at all about 3d modeling and what it takes to make or modify a pepakura file. I continue to argue this with you, not because I have any hope of convincing you of anything, but because I want you to see that not everybody will be bullied by your shouting and name calling.

Im not dropping it.....maybe you should mind your own business! I'm offended and the posts I posted again also had pictures which proved the file originally came from my file. To show I'm have more credibility and proof of digital recasting then to just say someone recasted. Also I called him a lying thief because....that's what he is! When someone steals something and lies about it. If it looks like a cat, walks like a cat and meows like a cat......then its a CAT! No, I don't call my comments on this thread "friendly" and I never claimed they were. I said I can be friendly to people who deserve it and I give respect where respect is earned and from my stand point it's not been earned. I think it's more disrespectful to butt in on someone else especially when it has nothing to do with you. It's not like I originally called you out or said anything to you. My conversation was directed at Don, until you put your two cents in and if you don't want to be disrespected then stay out of it.

 

[BlackKaos]

So we have two lists that contain:Taking a piece of design work that does not belong to you,
Modifying it based on your own needs.
Distributing that design without any concern for the original owner.

Also I made a different design base off an original character plus that's what cosplay and replica props are about (not recasting)
He didn't modify my work based on his own needs. He modified it to claim it as his own.
Also I'm sorry that I didn't contact DC comics and get permission from them before modeling my files. I will trying and do that next time (That was sarcasm just in case you didn't pick up on it like everything else) Maybe I'll change my files name to be "The Red helmet" instead to appease you and I can claim it as a character I created (again sarcasm). Again I'm not complaining that he modeled a red hood file but he took my model and claimed it as his own.

 

[Peejfro]

ohoh! what the hell have I stumbled into?(slowly backward stepping out the door!)

 

[captaindeadpool]

ohoh! what the hell have I stumbled into?(slowly backward stepping out the door!)

seems like the smart move in this case

 

[Dedsilence]

I normally keep quiet and just use these boards as reference, unfortunately I feel the need to add a bit of fuel to this fire. BK, you accuse Don of stealing, altering and claiming as his own. Isn't that basically what you are doing with DC Comics property? I.E. the character of Red Hood? You are selling something that doesn't really belong to you in the first place.

Not this again. It's the digital equivalent of recasting (if and only if the accusations are true), and this board has taken a formal position on this issue.

Good try ultron. :facepalm

 

[ExileArchery]

Ok, I'm done beating my head against the wall. I've been on the internet long enough that I should know better than to feed the trolls.

So, BlackKaos, you win. You are the lord and master of all things 3d modeled. Oh, woe is me for daring to attempting battle with such a foe. You may go back to yelling, screaming, threatening and generally being a bully without me trying to stand in your way.

Don - I sincerely regret my part in destroying this thread. My intentions were good, but in continuing this argument my behavior is no better than BK.
I definitely hope to see more of your work and will start a build thread based on your Red Hood file.

 

[JFcustom]

... and will start a build thread based on your Red Hood file.

No no no, ExileArchery, you can not do that. You think you have a life and your memories are real but the truth is you are no more than (sit down) my own sockpuppet account !!! Ha aHH ! You can't build anything. I'm sorry.
Both models are mine anyway. I have undeniable wip screenshots :

Step 1

Step 2

Step 3

 

[ExileArchery]

No no no, ExileArchery, you can not do that. You think you have a life and your memories are real but the truth is you are no more than (sit down) my own sockpuppet account !!! Ha aHH ! You can't build anything. I'm sorry.

My life...is a lie? I am, of course, devastated. Although I am wondering if I can throw together a sockpuppet costume for Halloween.