Red Hood Pepakura File
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BlackKaos
Sr Member
Have you ever had anyone steal something from you and claim it as their own? I don't think so.......It's not similar. It's not similar, it's the same. The only reason it looks different is because he changed some of the file to make it look different. People don't model the same file with the exact same profile eyes and other parts!! So please don't tell me to calm down.
captaindeadpool
New Member
hey Don, thanks for posting the file!
captaindeadpool
New Member
only if they are selling it (like Kaos did)
DeathFromADesk
Active Member
Maybe you should ask the mods to look at the files and make a judgement call?
BlackKaos
Sr Member
I have reported the post to the mods and posted pictures of the examples that I am talking about in attempt to get them to remove the file and take additional action against Don. There have been many other indicators that this is my file that was altered that I have not posted yet.
Here is another pic of the eye, forehead and nose area of both models. There are slightly more vertical lines in his model then mine but that just means that he subdivided the mesh but the horizontal lines are almost exactly the same. The lines and verticals in the nose are EXACTLY the same. The nose and the eyes are HUGE indicators that the two models cannot be seperate models but one had to originate from the other. The eyes in his model only have one indent/inset which would indicate by design that there should only be one recessed line or layer but in his model there are two because in my model I have two indents/insets and he had to remove the one indent/inset or extrude it back into the model which would make him have two recess/layer. The brow and eye shape is exactly the same.
My biggest problem is NO ONE acts like they see what I'm seeing and believe these models could be modeled. I'm not saying its not possible to model a similar model but when the model has the exact same pieces/sections as mine then that's a BIG red flag that its not a scratch built model.
Here is another pic of the eye, forehead and nose area of both models. There are slightly more vertical lines in his model then mine but that just means that he subdivided the mesh but the horizontal lines are almost exactly the same. The lines and verticals in the nose are EXACTLY the same. The nose and the eyes are HUGE indicators that the two models cannot be seperate models but one had to originate from the other. The eyes in his model only have one indent/inset which would indicate by design that there should only be one recessed line or layer but in his model there are two because in my model I have two indents/insets and he had to remove the one indent/inset or extrude it back into the model which would make him have two recess/layer. The brow and eye shape is exactly the same.
My biggest problem is NO ONE acts like they see what I'm seeing and believe these models could be modeled. I'm not saying its not possible to model a similar model but when the model has the exact same pieces/sections as mine then that's a BIG red flag that its not a scratch built model.
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ExileArchery
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I normally keep quiet and just use these boards as reference, unfortunately I feel the need to add a bit of fuel to this fire. BK, you accuse Don of stealing, altering and claiming as his own. Isn't that basically what you are doing with DC Comics property? I.E. the character of Red Hood? You are selling something that doesn't really belong to you in the first place.
sandy11
Well-Known Member
I agree with you.
ultron
Well-Known Member
Not this again. It's the digital equivalent of recasting (if and only if the accusations are true), and this board has taken a formal position on this issue.
ExileArchery
New Member
I'm not arguing this forums policy on digital plagiarism. I'm not even addressing whether this is or inst such a case. I'm just commenting on the somewhat hypocritical nature of the accusation. I see this in various boards and all across social media, somebody takes something that doesn't belong to them in the first place, makes their own version of it but then gets upset when another person does the exact same thing.
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BlackKaos
Sr Member
I would suggest you keep using this board as reference then put in your two cents on plagiarism. EVERYONE on this board plagiarizes if you want to get technical! It's not the concept of the character that I care about. Any member on this forum can create a red hood pepakura file or any other comic or movie character pepakura file and I WOULD NOT CARE! It's the fact that I spent time modeling a file and that he took a model that I spent time creating, altered it and claimed it as his own. There is no difference if I sculpted something and someone altered it and recast it...............Just curious ExileArchery......what have you ever created that you sold or displayed on this forum? I only see you have two message counts and you have commented twice on this thread which indicates this is the ONLY time you have spoken out and it's to something you have no business speaking out about. If you had something in this then I would say go ahead and comment but that's NOT the case.
ZachWinks
Active Member
Dude you keep using that argument, however it's faulted in so many areas, first the idea that you have complete control over a file and it's distribution is foolish, second you have to note the the same source of reference is used to make the model, third if you want control over a model, sell the model not the pepkura. And by the way this is all coming from someone who has made models and has seen other people sell them
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Great Job on the model don I can't wait to see your work in the future
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Great Job on the model don I can't wait to see your work in the future
BlackKaos
Sr Member
Like I said to ExileArchery......mind your own business. What work have you ever done other then to suck on the teet of others?!!!! And to be upset over recasting, digital or otherwise, there is no difference. By telling him that he did a good job you are basically saying you are fine with people recasting! Which this forum is SUPPOSE to take a very negative view on!!! So maybe you shouldn't be apart of this forum.
Also by selling the pepakura file....it is the model! What do you think pepakura is??????? And I shouldn't have to worry about having control over my models because people shouldn't atler them and claim them as there own, trying to make a name for themselves on other people's work and merit.
And by the way......don't worry about seeing anymore work from him in the future because my files are now password locked so they can't be exported!! Unless he steals someone elses files.
Also by selling the pepakura file....it is the model! What do you think pepakura is??????? And I shouldn't have to worry about having control over my models because people shouldn't atler them and claim them as there own, trying to make a name for themselves on other people's work and merit.
And by the way......don't worry about seeing anymore work from him in the future because my files are now password locked so they can't be exported!! Unless he steals someone elses files.
ExileArchery
New Member
I will continue to use this board for reference and research, thanks.
Now, as for the rest of the members here being plagiarists, I would disagree. Making a costume or prop is not plagiarism because they are not claiming the design as their own original work.
You do put time and effort into your work, I won't disagree with that. However, you charge money for something that doesn't legally belong to you and then get upset when somebody may not have given you proper credit. Overall, I just get tired of people complaining about the perceived injustice of the world. It's a digital file on the internet, you are incredibly naive if you think it won't be shared.
Don, sorry for hijacking your thread.
Now, as for the rest of the members here being plagiarists, I would disagree. Making a costume or prop is not plagiarism because they are not claiming the design as their own original work.
You do put time and effort into your work, I won't disagree with that. However, you charge money for something that doesn't legally belong to you and then get upset when somebody may not have given you proper credit. Overall, I just get tired of people complaining about the perceived injustice of the world. It's a digital file on the internet, you are incredibly naive if you think it won't be shared.
Don, sorry for hijacking your thread.
BlackKaos
Sr Member
I know it's going to be shared. I don't think it wont but this forum has a negative view on recasting!!!!
Also to say your disagree with other members being plagiarists sounds ABSOLUTELY retarded! Take a look at ANY of the thread in ANY of the sections on this forum. What do you see?........ Ironman costumes, Batman costumes, Wolverine costumes......etc. I'm pretty sure those characters have been though of before members were posting costumes for sale or sculpting replica costumes on this forum!
To say that there is no other plagiarism on this forum by other members sound soooo stupid. The forum name is the REPLICA prop forum which says it itself....... replica props!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So what's the difference on other members physically sculpting a replica prop or sculpting their take on an already existing character idea then someone digitally modeling a replica prop or their take on an already existing character!!!!!!!! NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also to say your disagree with other members being plagiarists sounds ABSOLUTELY retarded! Take a look at ANY of the thread in ANY of the sections on this forum. What do you see?........ Ironman costumes, Batman costumes, Wolverine costumes......etc. I'm pretty sure those characters have been though of before members were posting costumes for sale or sculpting replica costumes on this forum!
To say that there is no other plagiarism on this forum by other members sound soooo stupid. The forum name is the REPLICA prop forum which says it itself....... replica props!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So what's the difference on other members physically sculpting a replica prop or sculpting their take on an already existing character idea then someone digitally modeling a replica prop or their take on an already existing character!!!!!!!! NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BlackKaos
Sr Member
Everyone's biggest complaint is that they don't feel they should buy a pepakura file! If you don't want to buy it then don't buy it!!!!!!!!! But don't B**ch about people who sell it or jump on them when they get mad for someone digitally recasts their models just because that person gave it to you for free! Model the D*MN thing youself!!!!! Aw, yeah.....that's right. You just use this forum as "reference" or to take what you can for free because you can't create something yourself!!!
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At least someone agrees that digital recasting is the same a recasting... even though he didn't give his opinion on the matter but he still is point out what you are trying to ignore!
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At least someone agrees that digital recasting is the same a recasting... even though he didn't give his opinion on the matter but he still is point out what you are trying to ignore!
ExileArchery
New Member
Well, if you really want to continue this discussion, you may want to go look up the definition of the word plagiarism. It's making a copy or using somebody elses work and passing it off as your own original idea.
Making a copy of Iron Mans armor and wearing it is not plagiarism. Making a copy of the armor and claiming you designed the original character is plagiarism. What you accused Don of is plagiarism, what you accuse everybody else on this forum of is not.
Next, as I have already stated, I'm not arguing this boards policy on recasting, digital or otherwise. If the moderators decide that this is a case of digital recasting, they will take appropriate actions. My issue is people like you losing their minds when it happens. You do not own the original character of Red Hood, but are profiting from making digital copies of his helmet and claiming them as your own work. Rather than try to actually understand that you have resorted to calling me retarded and stupid.
Yes, I am using this site for reference so that I can learn how to do some of these things for myself. Have I created my own digital models yet, no I have not. I was planning on using the Red Hood helmet from this thread as my first experiment in Pepakura. I'm so sorry if my lack of experience offends you.
Finally, in telling us to mind our own business, you made this a public issue when you posted it on a public forum. If you had wanted this to be a private and discrete issue, you should have used private messages. By broadcasting your issue, you invite response from other parties.
