Re-make of "Dune"

[Wolfsburg]

One thing though and it's a genuine question, what's with the obsession over Zendaya? Every article puts her as if she was the superstar of the movie and "hopefully a much bigger role for her in part 2" and I'm just like "nobody read the books, right?".
I genuinely do not get the obsession, seen her in this and the first Spiderman, that's it, didn't feel she was that big a deal, what am I missing?

THANK YOU! I’ve been puzzled by this as well. She’s “just okay” in anything I’ve seen her in and she kinda looks like she just woke up from a nap and stumbled onto the set. Timothee Chalamet has the charisma of a 2x4 but I suppose it (mostly) fits with the roles he plays?

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

I'm not linking to any of the articles because the info is from multiple sources, but a few news items...

-Denis Villeneuve says filming will probably begin fall of 2022. That will give a little over a year to complete the film for an October 20 2023 release. He says they aren't starting from scratch, so although a bit of a burden, it can be done.

-Villeneuve says he also wants to direct DUNE MESSIAH, & although the books began to get more "psychedelic", he'd like to find a way to finish Paul's story.

-He will also direct the first episode of DUNE: THE SISTERHOOD, an HBOMax spinoff series about the Bene Gesserit that has been greenlit.

 

[NeoRutty]

Great news on pt2. I was dreading it being pulled like so many other sequels and franchises had been.

One thing though and it's a genuine question, what's with the obsession over Zendaya? Every article puts her as if she was the superstar of the movie and "hopefully a much bigger role for her in part 2" and I'm just like "nobody read the books, right?".
I genuinely do not get the obsession, seen her in this and the first Spiderman, that's it, didn't feel she was that big a deal, what am I missing?

I just watched “Euphoria” on HBO… and I get it now. I liked her a lot in far from home, but in Euphoria she’s EXCELLENT.

So I get the hype growing around her.

And she looks great on the big screen in Imax. For me it was her versus Oscar Isaac’s handsome beard for best visual on screen.

 

[Seabass]

yea Euphoria is really good. did season 2 come out yet?

 

[NeoRutty]

yea Euphoria is really good. did season 2 come out yet?

I think it got delayed shooting for covid.

There were 2 one hour “covid shot” eps I haven’t watched yet…

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

Second viewing Getting more of a sense of what stands out as stuff I'm missing because I know the book/Lynch version of the story, and what is more objectively missing from the story structure...

I do definitely miss the additional bits for, well, pretty much everyone who isn't Paul in the Atreides household. The quotations from Gurney... A little more of serious side of Paul's relationship with Duncan... Yueh was good, but I still feel there should have been something to better convey how his Imperial conditioning was supposed to make betrayal unthinkably impossible... Something about mentats, and also that Paul's tutelage from those people also included mentat training. Some of Leto's insights I missed, too, as well as mention that his father's blood was preserved on the horns of the bull who killed him (since they focus on it so much more than in the Lynch version). And Jessica is wringing her hands way too goddamn much.

I'm iffy on the taking of Arrakis. With a nearly three-hour runtime, I'd hoped for a teensy bit about how they were using the old capitol in Arakeen, rather than the new administrative center the Harkonnens established in Carthag. Cultural things, people not used the the folks in charge being there -- that was a thing. Also the Imperial observers Count and Lady Fenring, who left at the same time as the Harkonnens. Especially considering she left a warning for Jessica. Also the Shield Wall is a natural formation, not a constructed wall. Also also, laser weapons can't operate in the open air on Arrakis, so the Harkonnens trying to shoot down Duncan made me shift in my seat a little.

I love the depiction of battle language. I like that the Atreides sign, and I seriously love the Sardaukar throat speech.

The Voice mostly works for me as depicted, but I still don't like the ornithopter escape. I prefer how it's depicted as working on subconscious levels to get someone to behave a way they're used to -- such as Jessica's hint that there's no need for the guards to fight over her spurring the guy to stab his compatriot in the back. The Reverend Mother using it on Paul was depicted perfectly.

Some pronunciations still irk me and I can't get past it. I've heard Frank Herbert pronouncing them, so I know what the words are in the author's head. Hearing HARKonnen instead of HarKONnen, and P'DEEshuh instead of PAHdishaw is nails across the blackboard for me. Especially frustrating given how everything else is right on.

I'm going to go see it in FauxMAX in the not too distant future, so that'll be the third chance to see if there's a good sound mix out there. So far, the score seriously overwhelms several scenes, and I keep hoping it's an artifact of where I'm seeing it.

 

[sztriki]

I kinda expected the laser gun orbithooter scene to be a setup for the lasgun/shield explosion.
I'm also happy that a laser weapon is depicted as a laser weapon instead of a Star Wars-esque blaster. The only movie that had it like that was Congo.

 

[The 48th Ronin]

orbithooter

I'm trying to picture what that would look like.

 

[sztriki]

I'm trying to picture what that would look like.

Got sandworms for fingers...

 

[Seabass]

Yea, I love the whole idea of mentats and the movie has Thufir literally just be a calculator once haha. I did like some of Jessica's stuff, though they don't explain it. I forget where, but there's a scene with her being emotional, but when the door opens she's completely stone faced grim and you would never have known. I also liked her scene recruiting the Shadout Mapes.

 

[pnag]

one of 'the best' - I give points for the lines from the Lynch version, A+ for creativity

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Pretty sure the lines you're talking about are from the book, hence the reason they can be in both.

 

[edge10]

I thought the part about honoring someone by spitting in front of them was pretty cool. Is that in the book?

Yes it is from the book. Giving up your precious water on Arrakis is a sign of respect, if I remember correctly.

 

[JPH]

Just saw it. EPIC. MASSIVE.

A perfect IMAX flick

I will watch part 2

 

[joberg]

Still #1 at the box-office No wonder they'll do a part 2 with the same Director and some of the same cast!

 

[Treadwell]

Dug it.
I was okay with avoiding reference to the other bodily fluids the stillsuits process.
Mapes was barely in it, I feel like it might have been better to eliminate her entirely rather than reduce her to this.
Despite dialog to the contrary, Arrakis never felt hot to me in the film. I don't know if it needed different color timing, or heat ripples, or just people sweating their balls off. But I never felt uncomfortable on behalf of the characters in that regard.
Awesome Ornithopters.
When Kynes had her sandworm hooks out, it occurred to me that the movie hadn't told us what those are yet. A newcomer would have no idea why she's setting up a thumper and hanging around instead of taking off. I think that would undercut the tension of the scene if I didn't know what she was doing.

 

[Rust and Bolts]

Definitely looking forward to part 2. I’m hoping for an extended cut of part 1 as well, because I’m ready for more.

 

[TuckerMan]

When Kynes had her sandworm hooks out, it occurred to me that the movie hadn't told us what those are yet. A newcomer would have no idea why she's setting up a thumper and hanging around instead of taking off. I think that would undercut the tension of the scene if I didn't know what she was doing.

:raises hand:

I'm a newcomer, and I think they did a good job with implying what was going on there. They established that the sandworms were attracted to vibrations earlier in the movie so when she set up that thumper, I made the connection that she was setting up a diversion at least. With the hooks, I figured she was either going to kill it or ride it, but I'm not sure 'why' she was doing it, either just to cause a diversion, or to hitch a ride back to the Fremen, that part wasn't clear. But I was anticipating some badass sandworm action, which never came.

I had slightly spoiled myself earlier and read a comment, elsewhere on the web, speculating that the movie might end with Paul riding a sandworm (which I assume happens in the book), so I at least knew that was a thing, so that might have helped me make that connection. But from the context of the comment I read, I expected the movie to end with Paul becoming the new leader or Arrakis and riding back to kill a bunch of Harkonnen, on the back of a sandworm, which would've been pretty epic, so the actual ending was somewhat disappointing for me.

But I can say, as someone unfamiliar with the mythos, there wasn't anything that I didn't understand in terms of lore or mythos. I think the movie did a good job with that aspect of it.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

I had slightly spoiled myself earlier and read a comment, elsewhere on the web, speculating that the movie might end with Paul riding a sandworm (which I assume happens in the book), so I at least knew that was a thing, so that might have helped me make that connection. But from the context of the comment I read, I expected the movie to end with Paul becoming the new leader or Arrakis and riding back to kill a bunch of Harkonnen, on the back of a sandworm, which would've been pretty epic, so the actual ending was somewhat disappointing for me.

They apparently missed what has been part of the publicity for most of the lead-up -- that this is PART ONE. Not of the whole Dune Cinematic Universe, but just of an adaptation of the original book. What they're talking about happens well past the halfway point in the story. And there are enough tweaks the filmmakers have made so far that I'd suggest not getting too attached to the notion of things going exactly as they described in said post.

Oo! That reminds me of another big nit. Liet-Kynes. We haven't gotten there yet, but when the Fremen take you in, they give you a name that is only for and with them. Liet was that character's Fremen name. Dr. Kynes was their public identity that they had before. So no one would have been introducing them to the Duke as "Liet-Kynes". And the Fremen would've just called her "Liet", because they had no use for who she was before or to outworlders. That's up there with me beside the repeated mispronunciation of "Harkonnen".

 

[G W Zipper]

Definitely looking forward to part 2. I’m hoping for an extended cut of part 1 as well, because I’m ready for more.

Absolutely. Dune needs an extended director's cut in exactly the same way Lord of the Rings did, and conversely the way The Hobbit did not.

 

[The 48th Ronin]

That's up there with me beside the repeated mispronunciation of "Harkonnen".

But that's how it should be pronounced.

Listen to this - here's Frank Herbert reading an excerpt from Dune. If it's not queued up properly, it's at 2:38 where he pronounces "Harkonnen"

He's the author for god's sake - HE would know how it should actually be pronounced.