"PROMETHEUS" costume build.. Need some suggestions.

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  1. WBE

    WBE Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    As most of you know, Sir Ridley Scott's newest Alien installment (Well, prequel) is coming out in a few months. I've been inspired to create my own sort of costume from the trailer we've seen. Obviously, it won't be too screen accurate. I just want to create something to wear to the midnight launch.

    First things first, I'll be creating all armor pieces as 3D pepakura files and doing them that way. Can't spend toooo much money on this and don't really have much knowledge of modeling other than on a computer.

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    I have some questions for the RPF, though. Do any of you recommend where I could get a full plastic (maybe glass, but thats hard to work with) "Bowl" sort of helmet? I'd most likely be cutting it in half and then putting it back together with a control panel type mechanism in it. Like in this picture:

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    Also, where could a fella go about getting that type skin tight leather/spandex/anything bodysuit? I'd need one to match the kind of material used in the movie but I don't even know where to start when it comes to looking for one of those.

    Any help would be widely appreciated. I know this is a crazy idea to make a costume for a movie that hasn't even come out but I'm challenging myself with it.

    Thanks,
    Wes
     
  2. WBE

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    Any ideas at all? Really looking to start this soon.
     
  3. Bluecow

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    Not sure about the plastic "Bowl." I haven't seen any pre-made shapes that big.
    There was a post on a while ago dealing with cartoon Mr. Freeze costume that had a clear dome similar to the set up you have pictured but it wasn't as bubble shaped. You may start by searching for that and see what they used.

    For the bodysuit a good start would to go with a full body wet suit and build the detail on. The material looks similar to Lycra, which many wet are made of.
    Hope this helps
     
  4. Captain April

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    Cool idea good luck. I have been working on a spacesuit project for over a year and I still haven't figured out how I am going to produce the suit part. If you look at the screen caps of the trailer you will notice two different spacesuit designs. The other one may be easier to create since it doesn't have all of the colored ribbing detail. The helmet is going to be a problem if you are trying to use some aready made, since it is an unusally shape, an egg rather than a sphere.
     
  5. kmc

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    I'm going to have a go at this as well. Finding an oblong dome for the helmet is going to be difficult, so I'm going to see about vacforming. Would be nice to know the helmet dimensions first, though.
     
  6. Jathoris

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    My initial thought seeing as this is probably an original piece, you're going to have to make it, if you can find someone with a vac table it might be your best shot.
    I've been tossing the idea around to do one of these as well but will go the helmet-off route.
     
  7. NormanF

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    You might be able to find the suit at an "adult bookstore" if they sell fetish clothing.

    The helmet puts me in mind of the helmets in Dark Star where Dan O'Bannon came up with the idea for Alien.
    Dark Star
     
  8. Captain April

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    I built this study model for one of the helmets.
    [​IMG]Enjoy.
     
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  9. Weiver

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    for teh dome trying searching Ebay under clear plastic dome. or you can got a grdening Cloche ( it's plastic too) from Lee Valley. That's what I have for my Mr. Freeze build and it looks like it might work for what you're doing.
     
  10. kmc

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    Captain April, cheers for that. Very helpful. However, I think the front of the dome is a wee bit longer. I'm going to be chatting with a 3-D printing firm in Tokyo about making a negative for the helmet for a vac-forming bed. The problem will be getting the correct dimensions.
     
  11. Captain April

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    Dimensions are one of the hardest things to figure out from screen caps without any known object for size reference. The ellipse size I use to create the Hemlet was 14 inches wide by 20 tall. If you can get me better numbers I can easily resize my model. By the way the program I am using is an engineering program so I can output to STL files, which most 3d printers use. Good luck because that is going to be one big vac-form. Most likely the production use blow molding, but you will have to vac-form it in two parts.
     
  12. Chucko

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    From the screen cap it almost looks egg shaped.
     
  13. nicktello94

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    I too am looking for ways to make a space costume to coincide with the release of Prometheus. Looking at some other pictures, I got the idea of using my morphsuit as the skin of the suit and somehow crafting the other body parts from plastic. [​IMG]
     
  14. Captain April

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    I already love the design of this film, the ships the costumes everything! I can't wait for this movie.
     
  15. PetiteAltesse

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    I'm so excited for this film. I saw the trailer when I went to see The Hunger Games a few nights ago. My fiancee has been looking forward to this movie for months. I saw a few costumes that caught my eye, though there aren't many shots of it. If I can find any I'll link them.
     
  16. widescreen

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    I would have thought thast a 3D print in this size would cost a small fortune.

    Could you not find a balloon & make a cast from that?
     
  17. mracole

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    about the dome, ive been to the studio where the costumes were built, and they had to do each dome in 2 parts as an all in 2 dome wasn't possible to get anywhere. i believe both halves were vacuum formed. as for the bodysuit, either you could have the design printed for you and sew the bodysuit yourself, or you could try looking at one of these superhero cosplay costume websites, who usually have some blank suits.

    looking forward to seeing your work :) good luck
     
  18. mracole

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    why not have 2 halves cnc'd out of wood and then use those directly as a vacuum forming base?
     
  19. Captain April

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    You would only have to do one buck for both sides.
     
  20. widescreen

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  21. Jathoris

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    Couple Q's.. Do they have 2 different suits? In the face cave pics the material almost looks more cloth-like and solid blue. Then in other shots, (Shaw) it's more of plastic scale-like print on something that resembles a wet suit. Also the piping on the arms and torso seems to go from matching blue to that neon color. So, I'm confused. Does anyone have any screen grabs of the other suits that can be seen when the initially set out to explore? There's a quick shot of one character walking down the ramp next to one of the vehicles. To me it looks a lot like the suits worn in armegeddon.

    *editing myself.. After a quick look, yes, there seems to be two suits and they have many differences. The entire chest piece and torso areas are very different. *
     
  22. nicktello94

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    Very helpful. I was able to find a few sites that explain how to vacuum form plastic in your kitchen, doesn't seem too hard, it's relatively cheap, the most difficult part will be making a base for the pieces.
    Vacuumforming Plastic
     
  23. Temperance

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  25. traci559

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    I am very curious...how did the pepakura go?
     
  26. SamBell

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    I'm thinking of doing this as my first prop/costume ever. Here's a source I found for some arcyllic domes:

    Oval Acrylic Domes

    Not sure of the dimensions though. If we had any kind of a reference, I think we'd be in a good spot.
     
  27. Captain April

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    I have seen the film, and I think my model is close to the correct size which is 22" H x 16" W. Those Oval domes look like they could work. Good luck, very cool project.
     
  28. phase pistol

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    Not sure if the helmet gets pin-headed at the top or not, it could just be a trick of perspective.

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    Odd that Noomi and Charlize are wearing a different type of suit with the short chestplate and the orange cooling tubes. It's not a female thing, because Ford is also wearing the regular blue suit with long chestplate.


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  29. Captain April

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    I read in an interview with the designer of the suits, that the orange ribbed suit is the under suit and the all blue suit is an extra protective over suit with larger armor parts. Both are cool but I think the blue suit will be easier to reproduce. The helmet is the same for both.
     
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  30. SamBell

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    Hi All -

    A bit of an update from the manufacturers of that oval dome I had passed on: the maximum height on the 16" x 20" - which according to Captain April best approximates the Prometheus helmet - is 8"

    I can't tell for the life of me if that would be enough, as sadly, there exists no head size chart for individual actors....yet.
     
  31. Soulinertia

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    Average human head is 6" x 9". The height of the dome must be half the long dimension to get that perfect circle profile. I estimate the measurements for the helmet somewhere between 11-12" w x 16" t, requiring an 8" height.

    I've made quite a few measurements from many various pics and screen grabs. Comes out the same every time.

    I'm contemplating building one myself.

    Hope this helps you on your endeavor:

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  32. SamBell

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    That's some great, on-your-feet thinking, Souli.
     
  33. Jathoris

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    Did you ever happen to grab/create pep files?
     
  34. Riceball

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    I agree, I think that the all blue suit would be easier to reproduce and probably a bit more comfortable too. The orange ribbed suit seems to be made of some sort slick and glossy looking material with a carbon fiber like pattern printed on it. I'm not sure what material it's made of but looking at close ups of it I'm willing to be that it's not all that breathable.
     
  35. Jathoris

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    Yeah, it's basically a beautiful skin tight rubberish wetsuit and although the actors can move in them because they designed them so well, the material itself doesn't look that friendly to wear so elbows, knees etc, anywhere that bends, they have a different material in that spot. Not to mention, if you're a guy... well.. there's a reason there aren't too many shots of the gents wearing the blue and orange ones. :lol (which I find funny because the boys can and ooh and ahh over the ladies being in a skin tight costume but are kill joys for the ladies...Just sayin). But it is something to keep in mind that there very few shots of males in that particular suit as the all blues are more standard for all crew. Don't let us talk you out of it though. They're fantastic looking suits and would love to see someone take that on but if comfort is something you're considering, go with the blue.
     
  36. buttface

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    anyone thought of how to make the chestpate? would a foam build work for this? I'm making this as my fist costume so its fairly ambitious.. im onna go with the above for the oval dome, as it aint to expensive. can anyone give any advice on how to do the lighting?
     
  37. Jathoris

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    I'm building mine out of foam. I've made a costume with a very similar collar and it's not too difficult to do with the foam mats. Not to mention, it's almost the same thickness and i'm going to do the layers with the standard thin foam sheets. As far as the lighting goes, I'm using the amber (couldn't find a good bright yellow, though white with a small piece of gel over it would work) 96CM LED Flexible Car Strip Light Blue - Tmart.com
    Running that from one of the veritcal strips from one side/back of the head, around to the front and back up the other side like field goal posts.
     
  38. SamBell

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    It occurred to me that foam would do a good job as well. I think the tricky part is having your helmet design locked down before you move forward.

    This may sound stupid, but is there a good tutorial anywhere about building armor with foam? I know the materials that I need, but I've got no experience whatsoever with construction. I spotted a great Mass Effect N7 suit thread that revealed some good techniques, but I don't know if the RPF has anything "sanctioned" that's a good go-to?

    Sorry to have been "that guy" in this thread, but I'm just starting out after lurking here for two years.
     
  39. Jathoris

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    It's no problem. You can do a specific search or look through the some of the pages here in the costume section. There's a ton of helpful tutorials and progress pics/videos of how people work with foam. A number of iron man builds are using pep files and just using the foam as their medium. Basically create your templates, see how you want things to go together, use a sharp, or one of the heated hobby knives and cut out your designs, and most heavy duty glues or hot glue (actually works great) it together, and a heat gun works wonders to shape your pieces and so on. There's also some great advise for sealing the foam different ways to achieve different looks when you go to paint it. Plastidip is frquently used and now that someone has figured out how to hard coat the foam, we can now make things look like they were made out of a completely different medium. There's honestly so much great information on here, if you get stumped on something specific we can point you in a better direction.
     
  40. buttface

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    Thanks for the advice on the lighting :)
    Yeah I think the helmet is gonna be the hardest to nail down but I reckon once you get that the rest will flow easily enough, its my first costume and foam seems to be one of the easier methods of creation for this, I think a garden noche could work really well with this. Cut 2 properly and stick them together.. Has anyone thought of how to attach the helmet securely? And cheaply for that matter?
     
  41. DamnItSasha

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    This auction might be of interest to someone here: Two skylight domes
    Were I making this suit with the helmet, I'd probably get these and try to make them more oval with heating and shaping, but since I have no plans to do this I figured I would pass it along in case anyone was interested.
     
  42. buttface

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    did anyone have any luck with the pepakura files?
     
  43. Jathoris

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    Think we're on our own on this one but Soul's breakdown of the dome helps for the collar measurement and that should give you a rough idea of where to start. The backpack has some odd angles though and one of the threads, someone got a backside shot of holloway and you can see it a bit.

    *found it- http://www.therpf.com/f47/ridley-scott-prometheus-not-alien-prequel-details-84507/index76.html

    Woo, look at all those dang decals! I forgot about the sides! D'oh! :( Anyway, you can see a bit more of the back, elbows, and belt and I think there are 3 or 4 total V rings on the belt. Was going to go with the cobra ones, but I think i'll use a cheaper rip off quick release because other than Noomi's flight suit costume, you never see what system they use on here and it's obvious that they've added a lot of rigging hardware to them. The cobra belts tend to run about $60 so i'll try to save myself from that dreaded parachute buckle (~$30).
     
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  44. buttface

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    @Jathoris - yeah the backpack and collar are gonna be quite hard.. if you do come across a nice cheap version of the cobra belt then link me up haha im gonna look into some acrylic skylit dome manufacturers about making the helmet in 2 pieces, ill pass on any info i get on that. theres a guy on here making a pretty spot on version of the gloves i'll link you to tthat thread. http://www.therpf.com/f24/prometheus-se-suit-build-wip-150789/

    i reckon im gonna struggle with the collar and helmet but the chestplate and backpack should be quite fun to make :)

    heres some props used in the film...

    knife - Gerber Remix Folding Knife 2.9" Combo Blade, Finger Hole - Knifecenter.com

    torch - [US$28.98] - UltraFire 18WG-T60 XM-LT6 3-Mode 1200-Lumen White LED Memory Flashlight - Silver (1 x 18650) : ColorApples Cool Gadgets Mall

    the torch is spot on apart from the lense sheath as its petalled and not flat :S

    hope all this helps
     
  45. buttface

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    just realised its you making those gloves and suit jathoris hahaha
     
  46. spacepod

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    Another fool trying to build this suit.

    I found a cheap-ish supply of acrylic globes without necks on amazon. I was thinking it might be possible to heat it and then gently smoosh it a bit to get a more oval/egg-like shape. I've never worked with acrylic before, so I don't know how possible (or how toxic) this would be.

    Has anyone figured out a release system for the helmet/collar that could easily be made? It'd be pretty easy to permanently affix the helm to the collar, but I'd like to take it off to eat or what have you. I'm building out of foam.
     
  47. Jathoris

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    A simple set and twist would probably work. ( a simple track or groove-similar to something like a pickle jar works) just keep in mind you're going to need to install some fans to cut down on heat and the fogging issues that you will have, and if you are successful in fitting the dome to the collar, just be prepared to sound a little bit like a Verizon Wireless commercial. Could always use what the TK do for a mic so people can understand what you're saying. ;) The domes are truly a nice a touch to the costume though and really are what makes it so special. How thick is the acrylic in the dome that you're looking at?
     
  48. Tobot

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    One thIng I noticed from the film at the IMAX was that the helmets weren't of a very good quality , they werent particularly smooth ( you could almost see 'pour' lines in them) and they obviously had fogging problems with them. I suspect this is why they ditched them so early in the film due to filming problems rather than scripted.

    I reckon vacuum forming could be te way forward?
     
  49. Jathoris

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    There's an article floating around here where the costume designer talks about the helmets, search around in one of these related threads if it's not this one itself. It's a nice little read. I think they're a type of glass and they're quite expensive actually. There's something like 9 working HUDs inside of them that all work and very few were allowed 'hands on' as someone had to constantly clean for finger prints. The backpacks basically power everything needed to wear the helmets and they had to have multiples ready on stand by when things didn't work... which sounds like a lot of work. Glad they did it though, they're something else :)
     
  50. Big_Water99

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    I think HBO first look also talked about the helmets
     

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