PREDATORS SEQUEL

[headdragon1]

Bensin said he didnt want to see a sequel.

Bensin, I know you feel very strongly on this but there are some people that like to see the homeworld and all the details. Its all about what you like so saying its garbage ideas is wrong. Its only garbage to you. To others it is a great idea. So even tho you dont like the ideas why do you need to come into this forum just to say that? Its trolling is all it is and yes I know I am feeding you by takling to you but chill man. If you dont like the ideas dont hit the reply button. Pass the topic over.

 

[SrqNeith]

Bensin said he didnt want to see a sequel.

Sorry, but I quoted just before he edited. I just felt like it was wrong to down other's ideas because someone doesn't like them and not give a reason. I see where Bensin is coming from, but I don't think we really want to know "what they eat for breakfast, which magazines they read and what their favorite band is" either, but to get a general deeper feel for why the Predator does what he or eventually she does.

 

[WhiskeyBeard]

I think NOT going into more detail is what is "killing" the franchise. I am not a big fan of AVP, but the 90 seconds or so of flashback sequences were by far the best part of the movie. Just putting some Preds in a movie and yelling action everytime without any explanation or delving into some details is the fastest way to kill it. For it to continue, there has to be some advancement and expansion written by some one who has a genuine love for it.

 

[georgieboy26]

if a predators movie is made featuring mainly preds, surely the language problem would arise....it would look so strange to see a pred talking in english for us to understand

 

[josephchoi]

I think NOT going into more detail is what is "killing" the franchise. I am not a big fan of AVP, but the 90 seconds or so of flashback sequences were by far the best part of the movie. Just putting some Preds in a movie and yelling action everytime without any explanation or delving into some details is the fastest way to kill it. For it to continue, there has to be some advancement and expansion written by some one who has a genuine love for it.

I think the 90 or so seconds of flashbacks were the best part of the movie because the rest of it sucked.

I honestly LIKE having that aura of mystique. It's more interesting for me to NOT know so much about them. Fear of the unknowns, after all.

 

[DeadPool2]

Honestly have either a little more predator perspective. I would like it if they showed it from the Predator's side not the freaking humans!

 

[The Bone Collector]

i would like to see a pred city,a big war between alot of preds,a young pred around a teenagers age and have him survive.and some better weapons.

 

[DRSTROMM]

If they do another AVP movie, it will more than likely be humans going to the pred's homeworld...right?, The last scene showed them with the captured plasma cannon, and I think it was mentioned that the technology would be used to better the human weapons....Although I don't think we[humans] would stand a chance against a predator homeworld...If they have small ''nukes' inside wrist gauntlets. and plasma cannon's mounted on there shoulder's. I would hate to see what kind of planetary defenses they have. However the idea of the next alien movie being based around the crashlanded alien ship [STAR-GAZER] It would be a good twist to show them realizing that they are the alien race that clone'd and bio-engineered the alien's...but the twist would further deepen, when we realize that the cargo of alien eggs was enroute to a planet, for sale to a different race....a home world belonging to a race of predator's. That's my three cent's...Think it's a matter of time before all three are forced together...that to me would just tie up loose ends.

 

[BENSIN]

Guys, it's like this.

When you meet a girl for the first time and it's spontaneous and/or serendipitous - it's all very exciting, the magic and the mystery and all that jazz. However, once you get to know too much about HER, or she gets to know too much about YOU - there's no longer any interest. It becomes dull, boring and uninteresting - what a person's imagination can do for them to fill in the holes of the unknown is better than what some one else goes out and makes up.

I think that when people start filling in the holes and try to make it canon, they end up ruining things for half the audience. When P1 and P2 were the only Predator movies out there, we were left with a little bit in intrigue at the end of P2...just enough, not too much, not too little, but just enough for your imagination to run wild. The ideas YOU come up with are always going to be better, and I think that, inherently that's what drew us all to Predator. To be frank with you, since I grew up with P1 and P2, in that era and time and place, I view these new movies with no regard at all.

For some these newer movies might be the Predator experience for this younger generation, but that doesn't make it better, it just means you guys are missing out. Instead of actually developing an awesome story, and throwing in some tasteful intrigue, they just try to shower you with HARD CORE violent Predators and terrible writing. These newer movies have no life, they have no personality and no imagination, if PREDATORS was the movie released back in the 80's, I don't think it would have had the impact the first one did. At all.

Look at all the 'background' and the gimmicks revealed and used respectively in AVP, there were people LAUGHING at the movie, calling out jokes and such...and guess what? No one told them to quiet down, they laughed along, because what we were watching was pathetic. FOX might OWN Predator, but it BELONGS to the people, and when you go so far as to tell the people what IS and ISN'T after the longest time, you're going to piss some people off. I wanted a Predator 3 movies for the longest, longest, longest time, but after having seen what I've seen, I wish they'd just never make a P3 movie, or anything related to Predator ever again.

Let the hunter keep his dignity.

 

[Blade3327]

First of all, no one said a thing about Predator breakfasts and magazines. But showing more of the homeworld, training, hunting, etc. would be pretty cool -- IF done well. Granted, that hasn't happened with the AVP movies. At least not with AVP-R.

I'd personally like to see what I mentioned above PLUS everything Rodriguez said he'd have in the first one that he cut out. For instance: the backstory of the bad-blooded super Predators. The use of more gadgets, like the Falcon. I swear, the crew was all "Oh, not only does it spy, but it can also attack! Cool, huh?" Yet we didn't see it do the latter at all in the film. I enjoyed the new designs and the story was pretty good, but it wasn't quite as dynamic of a film as (hell, I'll say it) AVP. I gave it a 7/10.

They had a lot of great ideas, but held back because they wanted to save them for the sequel. Newsflash: you don't make a movie based on what you're planning to do later. If the first film disappoints, you won't be able to make the sequel anyway. Go big or go home on each film.

if a predators movie is made featuring mainly preds, surely the language problem would arise....it would look so strange to see a pred talking in english for us to understand

Subtitles, bro. Subtitles. Not too many, though. After all, we still want to have human characters and some scenes without too much talking, letting us take in the new Pred universe we're seeing.

 

[BENSIN]

Sorry, allow me to clarify:

When I said breakfast, tastes in music, who's going to the Predator prom with who, I didn't mean those things literally. What I meant was that all this background on the Predators, their race, their society, those are all parts of how they live. The Predator character is not one that requires any background, on the contrary, the more background available on this character, the less effective he is and the more his presence degrades.

The original Predator movie is a perfect example, you don't know what it is, why it's here and where it came from, and you don't give a crap about those things because he's hunting you. P2 did a great job with this simple to understand concept as well, but gave us a small, teeny, tiny look into the Hunter's world and we didn't even have to see the home world or any of that crap. At most we saw a part of his ship's exterior and interior, as well as the famous Lost Hunters and P2's trophy case. The dated pistol told us that they've been visiting the earth for a long, long time. That's how easy it is to get so much across, that's how you tell a story and build intrigue - you do A LOT with a little.

A BAD example of story telling and a GOOD example of how NOT to tell a story is in AVP for example, they had to do a whole FLASHBACK while some guy we don't give a crap about narrates and tells us exactly what we're looking at. They do this throughout the whole movie, more or less.

In P2 the Elder threw a pistol to Harrigan and we saw an Alien in the trophy case, those little things have rippled and continue to ripple even today. We never even saw the Lost Hunters in action, yet still...these little quick, little additions at the end spoke VOLUMES. Every one remembers those things about P2, no one remembers much about AVP except how bad it was - all the new movies try to recreate this magic but they fall on their faces.

The newer movies are way over the top and they're terrible. All we should ever know about Predator XYZ is what we can SEE in the movie, nothing more. ...and when I say what we SEE in the movie, I mean we don't see his recliner he sits on while waiting for a distress call on some God forsaken planet. No flashbacks, no narration about who Predator is and what his interests are, no gimmicks, no ******** (Super Black Predators, Paul Anderson to be specific about a couple things...) - otherwise, as I mentioned earlier, Predator loses his appeal quick.

...but hey, what do I know? Let's have Dutch and Harrigan in the next one who lead a clan of Bad Blood Super Black Predators, they should pay an homage to the first PREDATORS movie by showing a static image of a clogged toilet for 10 minutes. Instead of narration telling us exactly what we're looking at, they should super impose PREDATORS in text, with an arrow pointing from it to the mess in the toilet bowl.

 

[munson]

Honestly, I don't want to see a "Predator-Documentary". As much as we know now due to AVP and AVPR is great, but let's stop there. It gives us a little hint at their society without spilling the beans. How it is now still let's us create what we don't know, and that's something about the Predator that I love. I also think that 3-4 predators in a movie is a max for me, too many would actually ruin it. Since this series is set after P1, and as much as I'd like to see them show Wolf as a younger pred before he became a "cleaner", I think a "flashback" would ruin it. I think that should leave Wolf where he is and the Lost Hunters where they are. I believe they should do less "nods" to the P1 movie as well, and keep a Pred that looks exactly like P1 out of it, leave P1 be.

I would like to see more newer weapons, but I think bringing back Falconer wouldn't be a good idea. Not unless they want to give the look as that weapon is an everyday weapon. I would like to see some more weapons that we already have in the movie-spear, shirakten, etc... Also, take them back to the hunter and trackers like they were in P1 and P2. I didn't like how they really didn't touch on this in the movie. The only really Pred hunting and tracking was done by Falconer. BSP didn't really track and Tusky got lucky with the explosion and used that to mainly find them. Basically....get their ass up a tree, we saw that once in the Predators movie.

 

[WhiskeyBeard]

Perhaps we can just agree that some of us dig the mystique that comes from not knowing, and some of us dig knowing more because it gives them a further sense of depth and understanding of the character.

We all love the Predator for different reasons, I mean, we are all HERE right? Bensin, I agree with alot of what you are saying - The first film is what made me love the Predator, we didn't know what the hell that thing was up until the end, and still didn't really know afterward. And yes, the subtle additions of the Lost Hunters and trophies in P2 actually created something epic in the mythos of the whole franchise by just revealing a small suggestion. Also, the reveal of the new tech/weapons/vision modes and brief explanation by Keyes is a good example of this.

I do think that just showing the Predator time after time without adding a little more substance and dimension would eventually get stagnant and uninteresting. At some point though you DO have to draw a line and ask: Are we giving away too much and lessening the character?

I do think that the next film, whatever the storyline will either be nail in coffin or be a catalyst to keep it going. I honestly don't know where the franchise might be going, but it has to be right and true to the original vibe and at the same time expanded upon in a way that generates more even interest than before.

 

[headdragon1]

Bensin, those posts were good! I enjoyed reading them. It was an opinion but with some backing as to why you dont like them. I think that if it were done right tho just like you said with P2 you can glimpse farther into the pred world but not as long as you do it right. We got way farther into the world when we saw the interior of the ship. We then knew that he didnt just hunt humans and smaller prey. We knew the preds and aliens were connected. we saw that they dont travel alone. So much stuff was put into it but it was done right. The odds that someone will get it right may not be that good but I for one am willing to watch another movie to see if they did.

The wonder that was the first predator will never be reached again. Ever. Its impossible so we just have to leave it on its pedistal and hope what comes after at least pay homeage. I know that AVP and AVP-r Were not the best but overall i liked the idea they were trying to go with but it missed the mark.

I dont really buy the girlfriend analogy. I am married and know everything there is to know about my wife and there is nothing boring or dull there.

The younger crowd I dont know about. I know I watched the first one when it was released and I was like 5. I loved it and it had nothing to do with the mystery of the creature. It had to do with ARnold was my favorite actor and the bad guy was an alien and he looked cool! As I grew older I imagined what the worlds would be like and what society would be like there. Now when they release it in a movie if it isnt what I think it woulda been like I go meh I like my idea better. lol



Laughing at it in theaters... Well I just recently played the first movie for a bunch of teenagers at a party for my daughter. they spent the evening playing games and hanging out and then wanted to watch a movie. The picked predator because it was supposed to be a cool movie. They spent the entire movie making jokes about it. So the first movie was just as bad. We just tend to hold it higher because we are diehards.

 

[cacador]

I agree with Bensin's point of our imagination gets killed by the more that you know. There is no more imagination but instead facts, and in this case there is the probablility of horrible facts the predator fan base won't be happy with. I'm sure many of you enjoy Star Wars and how BS was mediclorians and a lot of other things were. It was a lot more fun when it was left to your imagination.

However, I do agree that a little history, but not much would be nice. Not necessarily on the species but maybe of the predator featured in the film. I want to see another film because I enjoy them and it creates more discussion. I think it would be interested to do a little more on character development of the villian of our movie. Although he is the hero to us he ultimately is the villian, sorry. As far as letting one live or something that would be interesting but I much prefer seeing the victory or downfall of a predator. We are humans so naturally we have to win to appease the general public which means the pred dies.

I just want some action, better character development like in the original predator, and not too over the top just because it's a summer action flick OMG michael bay EXPLOSIONS PEW PEW PEW! I mean they're cool but not everything has to explode like humans... or humans and predators... or ships... Also have good looking predators like P1 or P2, scar and berserker weren't my favorite...

 

[KriSega]

personally i think a sequel would need more gore and a few more fight scens with the preds. and i LOVED the end duel with super black pred and the classic pred, it gave me shivers! also i think a space themed pred flick would be quit interesting

 

[BENSIN]

Thanks guys.

Well, to address the girl analogy, I'm referring to a scenario common to people who are just dying to fall in love. When they meet some one, they just talk and talk and talk and reveal all there is to know about themselves really quickly, and the magic doesn't last long, instead it fizzles out real fast because all the fuel, in this case mystique, is gone. This relates to any story really, if you reveal too much too soon, or too much altogether, then it's no longer interesting.

I also agree about the Star Wars things, I know a lot of people were miffed about the prequels, I can't blame them.

The thing is we live in a time where things are commonly over-exaggerated and over the top saturated with gimmicks and stuff like that. Those to me, are all hollow attempts at making something solid, but it's just not possible to do it like that. They've turned the Predator into a slasher like Jason, but he's a stealthy hunter - it's good to see him in battle, but there's too much style over substance.

They're decking these Predators out with all this stylish, ornamental gear, but Predator's gear is functional and practical. New gear is always cool, but keep it Predator, again I refer to P2, but it's because it's such a great model to exemplify how to do it right. Make it new, but keep it original. Unfortunately, I don't think this over the top movement is going to stop any time soon, if ever, I think it'll only get worse. Not just for Predator but other movies and forms of media for the most part.

Which leads me to the younger crowd, I think it's a case of the kids these days being exposed to just about everything before they even learn to drive. We never had the internet, cell phones, PDAs, or whatever else it is kids are into these days. I also think that the over the top stuff that they're seeing in theaters, just adds more wood to the flame, in the sense that they will look at it and think, "Wow, they're trying too hard, let's make fun of it." Which was exactly the case in AVP, but can also happen with other movies, I would wager for the aforementioned reason. Just like a clown, a clown is over the top in behavior and appearance, it's not anything to take seriously, so we all laugh at clowns. All 'scary clown' jokes aside.

While I am with you guys, I've just been disappointed too many times, I think the ship is sinking (or sunk already). The scene between SBP and the P1 lookalike wasn't an attraction to me, it was insulting - a huge turn off. Some may take my statement and scoff, "It's just a movie." ...but if it's JUST a movie to some one, then I don't think they understand the purpose or the meaning of this site one bit. I have absolutely ZERO faith in Fox and the goons they've hired thus far to make anything Predator related, correctly.

 

[Extreme Gravity]

I totally agree with you on that Bensin. They should not go into further depth of the Predator race, it would kill everything. At the end of P2, you see all the generations of trophies and think "Damn they must've been through a couple battles. Then you see date on the pistol and you are left with the WTF moment to think that the Elder had hunted in the pirate era and lived til now. I hate when people try too hard to reintroduce a franchise and **** it up by milking all the details out and adding crap they pull out their rear end. However, if a sequel is to be made I only hope that only the Predators' actions tell their story. The way they act, fight, and think, if that makes sense.

 

[Tatsu]

I'm with Gravity on this one. It's the mystery of this race & the minimalistic view of their society, history & culture that makes this normally solitary Hunter so awesome. I loved that they teased things in P2, but they just went a little far & into it in AVP. If they do a Predators Sequel, which seems inevitable at this point, it should minimize the events of the previous film & give us more to think about & make them Mysterious again.

 

[akafighter408]

somthing i would really like to see was in first AVP comic series where the predators clans came together and had the leaders of each clan fight it out in a hand to hand mma style fight. who wins determins what planets they hunt on. broken tusk beat top knot and thats how he got to hunt on that planet. I think this would be great to show how they pick what planets they hunt on also it would be able to show other planets and species they hunt. this way we see differant weapons and stuff but still leave some wonder to the predators