original trooper face mould?

[voice in the crowd]

<div class='quotetop'>(GINO @ Sep 21 2006, 06:21 PM) [snapback]1324000[/snapback]</div>

<div class='quotetop'>(voice in the crowd @ Sep 21 2006, 01:14 PM) [snapback]1323996[/snapback]

I don't think so the JJ helmet castings have the same features as most of the screen used helmets. Basically the JJ has all the qualities that the SDS has been critised for lacking like the cheek tubes and swoop at the back of the helmet. They just don't look like the SDS.[/b]

Exactly. You are saying that the JJ stuff closely resembles the SDS stuff. I was raising the question is it possible that the molds SDS used for his helmets originated from JJ stuff all along? I know for a fact that he had a relationship with him and planned to source "missing" parts from him. This was told to me on the phone during a conference call with 2 other rpf members. Could these new molds in question be related to JJ. Could it all be related to each other?
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:lol .... No sorry my wording is terrible I am saying the opposite the JJ doesn't resemble the SDS the JJ has the featues we associate with screen used helmets and replicas like yours and TE's etc

The SDS is very different from the JJ from what I have seen. The JJ still has the lumps bumps etc and all the features that people say the SDS lacked.

Cheers Chris.

 

[Harry Harris]

Didn't Joiner's company 'Offworld' reproduce trooper armour in the UK to be used for publicity purposes many years ago?

I heard that Lucasfilm sent them a set of armour on loan to be cast for this use.

Harry

 

[voice in the crowd]

<div class='quotetop'>(Harry Harris @ Sep 21 2006, 06:36 PM) [snapback]1324009[/snapback]</div>

Didn't Joiner's company 'Offworld' reproduce trooper armour in the UK to be used for publicity purposes many years ago?

I heard that Lucasfilm sent them a set of armour on loan to be cast for this use.

Harry
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They did make publicity armour from fibreglass. The helmet was from JJ's ANH and the armour was LFL ROTJ (if that's not the case then somebody please correct me). Profiles in history has sold a couple of these suits that were auctioned on behalf of the Kurtz/Joiner archive. I don't think these moulds have anything to do with JJ's helmet the helmets produced were one piece fibreglass and the faceplate is different from this.

Chris.

 

[Star Wars Helmets]

<div class='quotetop'>(GINO @ Sep 21 2006, 05:01 PM) [snapback]1323986[/snapback]</div>

Either the original face molds started out as stunt version and then were altered to forever become hero molds with filled in teeth (can't go back and use them for stunts), or..
There was an alternate set for hero faceplates.

We all know that the hero style faceplate mold was used for hero troopers and tie pilots faces.

Having 3 teeth on each side doesn't rule them out as being authentic.

However the lack of undercut raises questions. Maybe these did originate from Joiner. Raises questions in regard to what AA used seeing as he had a relationship with Joiner at one time back when discussing the helmet making venture. Is it possible that all of what AA uses comes from Joiner swag? Something to ponder.
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SDS's helmet look nothing like the JJ Stunt helmet (which btw Ive handled). You're barking up the wrong tree there.

Also, Joiner was never interested in getting involved with SDS in the "helmet making venture" (unlike yourself, DG and Trooper Expert ), since at that time he was building his relationship with LFL, and also MR.

Cheers

Jez

 

[GINO]

not interested in arguing

 

[SethB6025]

Wow. The mud-slinging didn't start until page 2. That must be a stormtrooper thread record. :lol
Back on topic; they sure don't look like ANH moulds. I'd be surprised if they were real, considering all of the reasons mentioned in this thread. So, is there a possibility this is (or is from) the Joiner stuff? Or has that been ruled out?

 

[troopermaster]

It looks like a recast of TE's face plate to me.I have been sent big pics of the moulds and I noticed the bubble/bump in the first tooth hole on the left side that is/was present on earlier TE helmets and also was present on the meatsock copies.This bump could only have been a result of when TE recast the helmet so it should not be there on any of the originals.

 

[GINO]

Hey Paul,
I can definitely say that its not a TE recast.

 

[Keith]

<div class='quotetop'>(troopermaster @ Sep 21 2006, 07:36 PM) [snapback]1324089[/snapback]</div>

It looks like a recast of TE's face plate to me.I have been sent big pics of the moulds and I noticed the bubble/bump in the first tooth hole on the left side that is/was present on earlier TE helmets and also was present on the meatsock copies.This bump could only have been a result of when TE recast the helmet so it should not be there on any of the originals.
[/b]

Yes, you are correct. I was talking to Gizmo (Ben) earlier today about these molds and i was saying the lump in the first left tooth makes me think it may be a recast of a TE helmet. I've trimmed out a good few of those lumps in the last few years.

Keith.

 

[Apollo]

What I want to know is what he did with the interior of the Falcon?. :rolleyes

 

[troopermaster]

<div class='quotetop'>(GINO @ Sep 21 2006, 08:46 PM) [snapback]1324099[/snapback]</div>

Hey Paul,
I can definitely say that its not a TE recast.
[/b]

How can you account for the bump in the mouth hole then?OK,the mould might not be an exact copy but that bump was present in TE's or at least Meatsocks helmets so in my eyes that is where this mould originates and not any of the originals.

 

[Cenobyte]

Here are the images from the auction so those that have not seen the item in question here can now.

 

[Star Wars Helmets]

From the looks of it theyve also repaired one of the ear screw holes and "extended" the mould back further than the faceplate was originally cut, again suggesting its cast from a helmet not the mould itself

Thanks WC

Cheers

Jez

 

[Jumpin Jax]

<div class='quotetop'>(troopermaster @ Sep 21 2006, 01:02 PM) [snapback]1324110[/snapback]</div>

How can you account for the bump in the mouth hole then?OK,the mould might not be an exact copy but that bump was present in TE's or at least Meatsocks helmets so in my eyes that is where this mould originates and not any of the originals.
[/b]

Quite right. It's a recast of a meatsock........recast of a TE helmet. :rolleyes It never ends There's only been one direct recast of the TE helmet in the trade and this isn't it. It's as real as any "original moulds" out there. :lol
JJ

 

[Ghost Host]

Interesting...

 

[yakcam]

WOW, a Stormtrooper Totem, I had no idea that the Stormtrooper's origins were linked to the north American Indians, weird :confused

Cheers,

Kraig

 

[voice in the crowd]

<div class='quotetop'>(apollo @ Sep 21 2006, 08:55 PM) [snapback]1324104[/snapback]</div>

What I want to know is what he did with the interior of the Falcon?. :rolleyes
[/b]

I had heard he sold it to another intergalactic traveller who wanted to 'pimp his starship' :lol

Kraig love the Totem :thumbsup

 

[PMTrooper]

<div class='quotetop'>(BingoBongo275 @ Sep 21 2006, 11:15 PM) [snapback]1324152[/snapback]</div>

From the looks of it theyve also repaired one of the ear screw holes and "extended" the mould back further than the faceplate was originally cut, again suggesting its cast from a helmet not the mould itself

Thanks WC

Cheers

Jez
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jez
thanks for showing this
so i notice another repaired hole at the tube, right?

that should clearly show the recast issue
and now guys
what´s the original?
some pics of older TE ?

 

[Trallis]

remember just cause it is casted from a helmet doesnt mean it wasnt used in one of the original movies. the guy may not be lying. :unsure

pretty sketchy though.. definitely not enough info from the guy

 

[HDPE]

If indeed he used a TE or a fan made helmet to make his mold forgery I think he used two helmets , the two face plates on the mold look different to me.

And here's a comp between a meatstock faceplate and those on the 'mold' .