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Honestly, I didn't think it would do well overall either, but I thought the opening weekend would at least be decent just based on Michael Keaton returning and the spectacle of it all. I guess these superhero movies really have worn out their welcome then.
Good luck there, James Gunn lol.
Good luck there, James Gunn lol.
Cephus
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Let's be honest. Other than the fanatics who live, breathe and crap this stuff, nobody gives a damn about Michael Keaton. Most people don't even remember Batman '89. Nobody cares! The writers were trying to rely on 'memberberries, but that doesn't matter to the general audience who just wants to go and have a good time for a couple of hours. You don't make the kind of bank that these movies need by appealing to things that most of their intended audience weren't even alive for. Most movie-going audiences weren't around in 1989. They sure the hell weren't around in 1978 for the original Superman. There won't be that kind of attachment for most people likely to be in the seats. The vast majority of people going to see The Flash aren't fans of the comic books. Their entire interest is in seeing a movie in the Snyder-verse, which after this, is dead. They shot themselves in the foot and their box office reflects that.
Anyone with a brain could have told you tnat, and, in fact, we did.
I don't disagree and again, I didn't think it would do well long term but I also wouldn't have thought it would do worse than Black Adam! I was guessing around $80 million opening weekend and then it would drop off sharply and sink. Perhaps I did overestimate the popularity of Keaton's Batman. Or perhaps I underestimated just how much damage the DCEU did to itself.
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Joek3rr
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I'd probably get called names somewhere else. But I just don't care for my children to see this. Heck as an adult, I don't care to see this in my films.
Lord Boron
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This movies biggest problem is that they spent a reported $330 million making and marketing this thing. Thats waaaaaaaay too much! They were never going to make a profit with that. Why would you spend that much on what most would consider a B level superhero with an unproven record in films. $150 mil tops. Then they would at least had a chance of breaking even or even making a slight profit.
blueraptor15
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I liked it. Can't say I agree with some of the creative decisions, though. I can't help but get the feeling we were being somewhat trolled by some of the things that happened, though. Keaton was easily the best part of the movie.
Paul Andrew
Master Member
It was fun. Not exactly the giant DCEU reset some were expecting it to be though.
Easily the most watchable DC movie in a while, but with the looming board wipe of that universe coming up it felt pretty hard to care too much.
Supergirl was great and Keaton was great, and the liberal use of the 89 musical theme made for a really fun watch, at least the one time.
Easily the most watchable DC movie in a while, but with the looming board wipe of that universe coming up it felt pretty hard to care too much.
Supergirl was great and Keaton was great, and the liberal use of the 89 musical theme made for a really fun watch, at least the one time.
I just don't know what folks see in Ezra Miller. Even setting aside my general distaste for him because of his actions in recent history, he has legit one of the most annoying on-screen personas that I've ever seen. His voice, mannerisms, everything. My wife, who knew nothing of the trouble he's been in, said "That movie would have actually been really good if they would have used a different actor for the Flash." I wholeheartedly agree. And the thing is, I don't remember his acting grating on me that much in Justice League.
She also thought (and I agreed) that his new rubber costume with silly protruding cod-piece looked bad. His JL costume was way better.
The opening scene with the hospital was stupidly goofy. Love and Thunder vibes. The effects looked awful in places. Affleck's face when riding the cycle in the beginning looked completely CG and unrecognizable. In any scene with the two Barrys it looked painfully obvious that one actor's face was CG.
Keaton's Batman was the redeeming feature of this film. It was amazing to see him suited up again. Supergirl was...ok. It was cool that they re-entered the time of MOS. BTTF II vibes on that one, lol.
I agree that part of the reason the box office isn't great is WB's decision to announce that they're burning the whole (DCEU) universe down while there are still some DCEU movies to be released. Depresses interest in these remaining films.
She also thought (and I agreed) that his new rubber costume with silly protruding cod-piece looked bad. His JL costume was way better.
The opening scene with the hospital was stupidly goofy. Love and Thunder vibes. The effects looked awful in places. Affleck's face when riding the cycle in the beginning looked completely CG and unrecognizable. In any scene with the two Barrys it looked painfully obvious that one actor's face was CG.
Keaton's Batman was the redeeming feature of this film. It was amazing to see him suited up again. Supergirl was...ok. It was cool that they re-entered the time of MOS. BTTF II vibes on that one, lol.
I agree that part of the reason the box office isn't great is WB's decision to announce that they're burning the whole (DCEU) universe down while there are still some DCEU movies to be released. Depresses interest in these remaining films.
I have a feeling Ezra would be waiting tables right now if he dressed & identified as a plain old straight male.
I saw it and enjoyed it. Plenty of Easter eggs, surprises and tributes. Keaton was great and I think Ezra Miller did a fine job dispute his weird real life antics. Didn’t care for Affleck’s batsuit, especially the mask.
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I genuinely enjoyed the movie. I like Ezra’s Flash. I loved seeing how different he would have been if his mom had been around.
I do not love the new Keaton suit. Not sure why. I guess it looks too busy and restrictive.
I really like Flashes new suit and have been trying to wrap my head around how they made it. I look forward to the Blu-ray release for the behind the scenes stuff.
I am disappointed to see how poorly it performed. I feel like if deserved to do better.
I have a hard time imaging Ezra’s off camera stuff affecting the box office much. I guess it depends on how much you paid attention to it
Indy may have something similar happen with a low box office return.
Here is why… no late night promotion. No morning show promotion. All due to the strike. Which makes me worry a bit about Indy.
Second… superhero burnout. The writing is on the wall. The public that has enjoyed the last 15-20 years of superhero movies simply want to see something else. Look at Maverick a year ago. I used to see pretty much everything. Now I have a proper home theater and I still find myself watching just about anything other than a superhero movie. I keep telling myself I want to rewatch the Dark Knight trilogy and still haven’t.
Third… streaming services. I know I can watch Guardians or Flash around 6 weeks after their theater debut. Again… I have a home theater, I can just wait if it isn’t a must see. But I am a middle aged man. Kids? They could care less how they watch movies. At this point what are they getting out of a theater experience? They don’t realize how good it can be but they also don’t seem to care from what I have seen.
The industry as a whole has a problem that they themselves created. I was just telling my wife the other day about how I can steam a movie before I can even buy the blu ray. How does that make sense? Release the blu ray then stream if 45-60 days after that. Treat it the same way they did before streaming started.
I held out rewatching Top Gun once it hit streaming because I wanted the disc version. I prefer the better picture and sound personally. Streaming services audio is so hit and miss that I can’t tolerate watching a movie I would be happy to own if it was on a physical format.
FYI if you want to test this, find a movie you own and watch the same scene back to back against a streaming service.
It was a fun movie. I don’t think it is the best superhero movie ever (that’s some studio propaganda) but it was very good. Maybe in the top ten?
One thing I did love…
SPOILERS below (I can’t seem to figure out how to block them out)
I loved seeing Nicholas Cage as Superman briefly and I absolutely loved Clooney showing up as Bruce at the end. I just wish that he could have been in a suit as well but that’s ok. I feel like Clooney has been bagged on enough over a movie that is now almost 25 years old. The decision by the filmmakers to make those two things happen was a great nod to us older people.
And seeing Reeves Superman with Slaters Supergirl together was also a nice touch.
I do not love the new Keaton suit. Not sure why. I guess it looks too busy and restrictive.
I really like Flashes new suit and have been trying to wrap my head around how they made it. I look forward to the Blu-ray release for the behind the scenes stuff.
I am disappointed to see how poorly it performed. I feel like if deserved to do better.
I have a hard time imaging Ezra’s off camera stuff affecting the box office much. I guess it depends on how much you paid attention to it
Indy may have something similar happen with a low box office return.
Here is why… no late night promotion. No morning show promotion. All due to the strike. Which makes me worry a bit about Indy.
Second… superhero burnout. The writing is on the wall. The public that has enjoyed the last 15-20 years of superhero movies simply want to see something else. Look at Maverick a year ago. I used to see pretty much everything. Now I have a proper home theater and I still find myself watching just about anything other than a superhero movie. I keep telling myself I want to rewatch the Dark Knight trilogy and still haven’t.
Third… streaming services. I know I can watch Guardians or Flash around 6 weeks after their theater debut. Again… I have a home theater, I can just wait if it isn’t a must see. But I am a middle aged man. Kids? They could care less how they watch movies. At this point what are they getting out of a theater experience? They don’t realize how good it can be but they also don’t seem to care from what I have seen.
The industry as a whole has a problem that they themselves created. I was just telling my wife the other day about how I can steam a movie before I can even buy the blu ray. How does that make sense? Release the blu ray then stream if 45-60 days after that. Treat it the same way they did before streaming started.
I held out rewatching Top Gun once it hit streaming because I wanted the disc version. I prefer the better picture and sound personally. Streaming services audio is so hit and miss that I can’t tolerate watching a movie I would be happy to own if it was on a physical format.
FYI if you want to test this, find a movie you own and watch the same scene back to back against a streaming service.
It was a fun movie. I don’t think it is the best superhero movie ever (that’s some studio propaganda) but it was very good. Maybe in the top ten?
One thing I did love…
SPOILERS below (I can’t seem to figure out how to block them out)
I loved seeing Nicholas Cage as Superman briefly and I absolutely loved Clooney showing up as Bruce at the end. I just wish that he could have been in a suit as well but that’s ok. I feel like Clooney has been bagged on enough over a movie that is now almost 25 years old. The decision by the filmmakers to make those two things happen was a great nod to us older people.
And seeing Reeves Superman with Slaters Supergirl together was also a nice touch.
To be clear, it's not LGBTQ community that I'm blaming. It's not their fault.
I just get the feeling that Ezra & the studio are both trying to ride the LGBTQ acceptance trend. I think 20 years ago the studio would not have been eager to hire (the current version of him). And I suspect that 20 years ago he would have been perfectly content to ID as a straight male.
Cephus
Master Member
Very likely so, but now that Hollywood is completely politicized, they only hire people based on how it looks to a particular political demographic, not how they actually do their job.
I miss when these people had to be able to act.
So now we're equating Ezra's politics to his ability to act? If i recall correctly, people were talking Oscar nominations after Justice League for his performance in that. If you found him annoying, thats not being a bad actor, they specifically make reference to it IN THE FILM. He's supposed to be.
