My Journey Through Bond

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I have no problem with how Wint and Kidd died. They were killers who had tried to kill Bond multiple times and killed many others in various ways, so however they died, they deserved what they got.

As for Bond not mourning Tracy, most of the Bond movies did not reference back to previous movies, so it didn't make sense for him to NOT want to bed all of the lovely ladies he met in the film.

There is a lot more to this movie not to like than just the fact that he doesn't mourn Tracy and beds every female in site.
 
Although I agree with this:

There is a lot more to this movie not to like than just the fact that he doesn't mourn Tracy and beds every female in site.

I don't agree with this:

As for Bond not mourning Tracy, most of the Bond movies did not reference back to previous movies, so it didn't make sense for him to NOT want to bed all of the lovely ladies he met in the film.

DAF should have been a vengeance movie flat out. Much more on the level of LTK and QOS. Even in the novels an entire one is dedicated to Bond going mad after losing the one woman he actually loved.
 
The way I see it, it's almost like the Bond films split into two separate continuities after Thunderball. One goes to YOLT and skips OHMSS to DAF, while the other goes into OHMSS and skips over DAF. After all, DAF does begin in an asian setting, so you could say that Bond starts his hunt for Blofeld after the volcano assault. It would make sense given how Bond has no revenge motive towards Blofeld. In the other continuity if you were to skip YOLT's, it would solve the continuity error of Blofeld recognizing Bond, and if you were to skip DAF, Blofeld's character remains consistent with his broken neck the next time we see him.

That's my take at least.
 
That's actually not a bad way of looking at it. One would then just assume that Bond dealt with all his issues off screen before LALD.
 
I started A View to a Kill last night but didn't get very far as I was exhausted. I hope to finish it tonight or tomorrow.
 
I've now made it through Live and Let Die and The Man With the Golden Gun.

I watched these with the group commentary track turned on, which I think helped me to enjoy them better. I've always thought Live and Let Die was a decent, if mixed bag. The blaxploitation angle annoyed me, but it's there to a degree in the novel. Kananga is a solid villain, though, and I really enjoy Yaphet Kotto's performance. Jane Seymour isn't bad either.

As Moore's first outing, it's one of his better ones. The Man With the Golden Gun, however, is pretty uneven. It has its good moments, but it's so horribly dated, from the clothes to the subject matter (the energy crisis), to the kung-fu fascination. And, of course, both films suffer pretty badly from "funny" moments. It was nice to hear on the commentary track that even Cubby Broccoli thought the slide whistle in TMWTGG was misplaced. It really IS an awesome stunt, and John Barry's doofy whistle insert totally undercuts the moment. Meanwhile, Christopher Lee plays one of the coolest villains in the series. I mean, the concept has SO much potential, and Lee is just oozing charisma on the screen. He really seems like a worthy challenger to Bond.

Some other Bond, that is.

I have come to think that Moore was, quite simply, the wrong guy for the job. I know people came to like Moore's take on Bond, but Moore doesn't feel like Bond to me. Moore lacks two key factors that ALL the other Bonds have had, and they're both related: (1) an air of violence or menace to him, and (2) an air of sexuality.

Moore can do suave. Moore can do sophisticated. Moore can do nonchalant. Moore CANNOT do violent or sexy. He's better in Live and Let Die at both, but there's something about the way Moore physicalizes Bond that, I think, ultimately does it. Guy Hamilton, I believe, commented on how Sean Connery has this terrific quality to him when he's doing fight scenes -- he has this vicious grin/grimace on his face where he bares his teeth. He's also physically a very imposing guy. Connery's physicality allows him to play the nonchalance. Why? Simple. Because you get the sense that he can bring the pain if needed. Pretty much all of the other Bonds had that quality to them, including Lazenby and Brosnan. Moore just lacks it. He can do the fight sequences decently, but you never get the sense that he could really kick your ass. There's a sequence where he's running to catch a boat in TMWTGG and I'm just stunned at how obvious it is when a stuntman is doing the running and when Moore is. Moore doesn't lift his knees when he runs. It's like a fast shuffle or something. That right there is a prime example of his physicalization of Bond.

On the sex side of the coin, Connery always seemed like a guy who would LOVE to bed a woman. You get that vibe from him, and again, it's related to his physicality. One of the things I notice is something that you may see from time to time in older films: when kissing, NOBODY opens their mouth. It's all just smashing your lips against someone else. Yet when Connery is doing it, you get the sense that he's headed somewhere. Moore looks like he's just kind of doing his duty to get the scene done. The other Bonds had more sexual charisma too, I'd say. You actually believe they could seduce a woman.


None of this is a criticism of Moore personally, mind you, nor as an actor. But he just seems like such a....gentleman...that I find it hard to believe he'd punch the snot out of a henchman and then seduce the villain's girl. Both aspects -- key to Bond -- seem like a put-on with him. Moore would be more suited in, say, a period piece set in the 1890s as the consummate gentleman. But as Bond? As a killer and a lover? No, not so much.


I think it's these differences in Moore's performance that led the production team so far into the comical and ridiculous stuff. That's another thing -- Moore's TERRIFIC at subtle British comedy. (As opposed to the broader farcical kind.) Moore actually seems to have solid comic timing, and a good sense of humor. But, for example, in Live and Let Die when Tee Hee (the guy with the hook for a hand) is trying to get his watch off, and the actor couldn't do it, Moore adlibs "Butterhook!" as an insult. This is TERRIFIC adlibbing....in another movie. In Bond, it just comes across as TOO nonchalant and blase. These guys have him basically in a no-win situation and are threatening him openly with violence, but all he can do is quip away? Great comic acting and timing. WRONG FILM IN WHICH TO DO IT.

But I think that, because this stuff is a strength for Moore, and the other aspects are...if not a liability, not as strong as Moore's sophisticated, debonair qualities, coupled with his sense of humor, the films eventually just get made in a way that takes advantage of Moore's strengths, rather than trying to force him to play through his weaknesses. That shifts the nature of Bond for a long run, and tehy only occasionally move away from the silliness back to something more serious.


Anyway, that said, TMWTGG wasn't as awful as I remembered it, and I was able to really appreciate what was good about it. There's still plenty that's "meh" but when you know it's coming, it's easier to take.
 
That's actually not a bad way of looking at it. One would then just assume that Bond dealt with all his issues off screen before LALD.

Which thanks to the later Moore movies establishes that his wife's murder still still had an impact on him, as when she was mentioned in TSWLM.
 
I started A View to a Kill last night but didn't get very far as I was exhausted. I hope to finish it tonight or tomorrow.

Uh oh. It's been almost a week and he hasn't gotten back to us. You think the film might have done him in??

JCOFF!!!!!
 
Holidays have kept me away. After the 1st of the year I'm back on it. I got the Universal Monster Blurays for Christmas and I won't start those until Bond is finished. That should help push me a bit. :)
 
Solo, you nailed it. I've been preaching the same thing for years and you put it very well there! :thumbsup

There's a sequence where he's running to catch a boat in TMWTGG and I'm just stunned at how obvious it is when a stuntman is doing the running and when Moore is. Moore doesn't lift his knees when he runs. It's like a fast shuffle or something. That right there is a prime example of his physicalization of Bond.

John Glen actually mentioned this. Moore wanted to do all his own running but they always used a stuntman. Apparently Moore was 5 before he could even walk (bad knees or something like that) so he couldn't run very well.
 
I am glad you're enjoying James Bond. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the series. Even the bad ones are like Pizza. You can eat Pizza even when it's bad, cause it's Pizza. :lol James Bond is the same way. Although I really never cared for Pierce Bronson. He just seemed...... I don't know. Plastic.

I ADORE Roger Moore's humor. Sean is a total bad ass. Timothy Dalton was cool because his movies were so damn dark, I mean Felix Lighter getting MURDERED! And then there is Daniel Craig. I love the entire series.

LOVE ME SOME BOND!
 
In the past few days, I finished The Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker.

The Spy Who Loved Me

I actually think this is one of Moore's top three films. Although given my attitudes re: Moore, that's damning with faint praise, I suppose. Still, it's a genuinely fun movie.

The Good: Moore is looking good in this one. He looks more settled in the role. The action sequences are also quite good. Barbara Bach is easy on the eyes. Caroline Munro is VERY easy on the eyes (homina homina), although she's only in a few scenes. The Lotus is cool, but I miss Aston Martins. And the story itself is entertaining. It's got a lot less silliness than other films, and Jaws is actually pretty menacing. Stromberg's a fun villain, although you can sort of see through the story to where it was, at one point, a SPECTRE story. It also has some of the BEST stunts in Bond history. The ski jump....wow. Just.....wow.

The Bad: It's You Only Live Twice Underwater. Seriously. The plot is VERY similar. As a result it's equally ludicrous, which, of course, means it's one of the more grounded Moore films. Barbara Bach, while lovely to look at, has an ATROCIOUS "Russian" accent. It's like barely a faux Russian accent. She rolls a few Rs and otherwise talks like an American. Still, lovely.

On the whole, though, it's a solid entry for the Moore era, and one of three I'd happily watch again. Unlike...

Moonraker

This film is quite simply awful. Probably one of the three worst Bond films of all time. It's painfully formulaic, and painfully trying to cash in on the Star Wars craze, but with nowhere near as good f/x work.

The Good Corinne Clery is HOT. Pity she's dispatched with so quickly. Her death, though, is brutal and makes Drax a particularly grim villain. Drax himself is..interesting. He's one of the most subdued villain performances (which is great), but he's so laid back as to be almost comatose. Holly Goodhead, while a doofy name, is actually kinda cool as a character. And again, the stunt work is pretty good. Technically, in spite of f/x which are sub-par to Star Wars, it's also pretty impressive for a Bond film. The model work is impressive, as are the sets. And Jaws is seriously freaky at first (the scene in the alley is actually one of the more tense moments in Bond).

The Bad: Everything else. This film is essentially The Spy Who Loved Me In Space. Jaws gets neutered by the end. The silliness is off the charts from the hovercraft sequence and the pigeon double-take, to the space battle stuff. It's just...doofy. Really really doofy. It's also not that fun, considering the story is essentially identical to the last film, only dropping one of the captured craft and adding the "master race" people. Also, some of the stuff is so stupidly unrealistic that it defies suspension of disbelief. We're supposed to accept that the U.S. gov't is ready to launch a squad of "space marines" on a shuttle in less than 12 hours? And somehow a "radar jammer" has cloaked an object that would be VISIBLE WITH A TELESCOPE ANYWAY? And NOBODY noticed launches from some random spot in the Amazon? WTF? Also, the first henchman is just stupid. Seriously. He's pointlessly Japanese for starters. Like, why hire this Japanese bodyguard/manservant? What's the point? And why the HELL does he attack Bond with a SHINAI? Folks, these are hollow, bamboo swords with tips that are rounded and covered in felt. They're annoying at worst, not lethal. I kept waiting for some hidden blade to pop out, which would've been stupid but at least would've made the weapon more formidable. They couldn't even be bothered to give the guy a bokken, much less an actual live blade. Ugh. And lastly, this movie is the nadir of the "Bond formula." From the commando raid at the end, to the "destroy/threaten the world" bit, to Shirley Bassey's forgettable theme, it's just a train wreck of a Bond film. And the disco closing credits.

I watched this one with the director and crew commentary, and it was...marginally interesting. I'm sure it was fun to MAKE these films, but this is one of the least fun Bond films to actually watch. Still, I'm being a completist about this, so I slogged through it. Now WHERE THE HELL IS MY MEDAL?!
 
I watched this one with the director and crew commentary, and it was...marginally interesting. I'm sure it was fun to MAKE these films, but this is one of the least fun Bond films to actually watch. Still, I'm being a completist about this, so I slogged through it. Now WHERE THE HELL IS MY MEDAL?!

Hey man, I paid money to see them all on the big screen again! I deserve a VC or something! :lol

Seriously though when we were buying the tickets my dad looked at me and said "Even Moonraker" to which I replied "Ya, even Moonraker". Although my least favourite is still TWINE.

One scene I do like is when they're under the rocket. "You're standing in your own crematorium of death Mr. Bond..." Great scene in an otherwise terrible film.
 
Yeah, as with all the Moore films, there are MOMENTS of greatness. But there are far, far more moments of awfulness.

And as I recall, I didn't "mind" TWINE, although that may be because it was followed by the abyssmal DAD, so in comparison it looks tolerable. Even though Denise Richards is awful.
 
And as I recall, I didn't "mind" TWINE, although that may be because it was followed by the abyssmal DAD, so in comparison it looks tolerable. Even though Denise Richards is awful.

Watched TWINE & DAD back to back and enjoyed DAD much more believe it or not. Denise really killed TWINE, at least DAD had that campy feel so you could take it in that way. TWINE just got lost.
 
Ah, see, I like the darker elements of TWINE, and Denise is relatively isolated to the latter 1/3 of the film, so I can largely ignore her. DAD is just awful throughout as I recall, although there are a few moments of brilliance.
 
Ah, see, I like the darker elements of TWINE, and Denise is relatively isolated to the latter 1/3 of the film, so I can largely ignore her. DAD is just awful throughout as I recall, although there are a few moments of brilliance.

That's probably why I don't like it. It has the moments that make it feel like it should be a proper Bond film and then it craps on the rest. Makes my brain confused and I don't enjoy it.

Whereas DAD (and for that matter Moonraker) I can watch it as essentially a comedy adventure. My brain is satisfied. :)
 
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