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Re: Michael Keaton as Batman
I also think he was the best along with Bale. I hate the voice Bale does as Batman, it's just stupid. Val Kilmer and Clooney are up there as the worst. I can't even watch those.
I also think he was the best along with Bale. I hate the voice Bale does as Batman, it's just stupid. Val Kilmer and Clooney are up there as the worst. I can't even watch those.
Kittlemeier
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Coming off of Beetlejuice I wish Burton had cast Alec Baldwin as Batman and Michael Keaton as Joker.
But I also wish Burton had been nowhere near a Batman movie to begin with. :unsure
Coming off of Beetlejuice I wish Burton had cast Alec Baldwin as Batman and Michael Keaton as Joker.
But I also wish Burton had been nowhere near a Batman movie to begin with. :unsure
allosaur176
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When Batman is on his batcycle driving down the street towards the Joker is another that is almost a carbon copy of when Batman was flying the Batjet at Joker in the middle of the street, both jokers shooting, both jokers winning
When Batman is on his batcycle driving down the street towards the Joker is another that is almost a carbon copy of when Batman was flying the Batjet at Joker in the middle of the street, both jokers shooting, both jokers winning
Cowardly or smart? and why is machine guns on the Bat mobile against concept? Bale had them on his bike
Larry Young
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Old-skool Batman eschewed guns because his parents were killed by one. He's the World's Greatest Detective, in concept, not Another Dude With a Gun. They sort of addressed that with the hockey-pad Batsmen in the beginning of TDK.
But I don't really like Bale in his two outings so far, but that's more me than him. I just don't think Batman should be younger than me. :lol
Old-skool Batman eschewed guns because his parents were killed by one. He's the World's Greatest Detective, in concept, not Another Dude With a Gun. They sort of addressed that with the hockey-pad Batsmen in the beginning of TDK.
But I don't really like Bale in his two outings so far, but that's more me than him. I just don't think Batman should be younger than me. :lol
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And yet I remember the HOWL the fanboys put up when Keaton was first cast. "Mister Mom as Batman??? WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...IT'S GONNA SUCK...WHAAAAAAAA!!!"
I liked both Burton bat movies, my only problem with Batman Returns was that it got plot heavy/convoluted with Devito as The Penguin. Frankly if they had just stuck with Catwoman, and Walken it would have been 10x better.
Really the only Batman movie I don't like is of course Batman and Robin, Thanks Joel for taking your gay fantasy and smearing it all over the screen. Clooney and Arnold under the hands of a better director would have been awesome.
And yet I remember the HOWL the fanboys put up when Keaton was first cast. "Mister Mom as Batman??? WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...IT'S GONNA SUCK...WHAAAAAAAA!!!"
I liked both Burton bat movies, my only problem with Batman Returns was that it got plot heavy/convoluted with Devito as The Penguin. Frankly if they had just stuck with Catwoman, and Walken it would have been 10x better.
Really the only Batman movie I don't like is of course Batman and Robin, Thanks Joel for taking your gay fantasy and smearing it all over the screen. Clooney and Arnold under the hands of a better director would have been awesome.
Dark knight happened to be on tonight and i'd forgotten all about Bale's Batman voice -- terrible. It really takes away from him imo.
I'd also forgotten about Gordons son at the end and how the studio talked about he was going to be Robin in the next one --- we'll see
I'd also forgotten about Gordons son at the end and how the studio talked about he was going to be Robin in the next one --- we'll see
Westies14
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Ain't it cool did just post something about location scouting for "Robin's base of operations." Hopefully Nolan's aversion to the character keeps the sidekick outta there...
The Bale bat-voice is awful - it's supposed to be changed by the clips that hold his cape on, but that's never made clear and it removes you unnecessarily one step from the character. The other really distracting thing when he's on screen, for me, is his tiny round little mouth hole in the mask. It just makes him look goofy, and the aesthetic makes the growling voice even more of a mismatch.
Ain't it cool did just post something about location scouting for "Robin's base of operations." Hopefully Nolan's aversion to the character keeps the sidekick outta there...
The Bale bat-voice is awful - it's supposed to be changed by the clips that hold his cape on, but that's never made clear and it removes you unnecessarily one step from the character. The other really distracting thing when he's on screen, for me, is his tiny round little mouth hole in the mask. It just makes him look goofy, and the aesthetic makes the growling voice even more of a mismatch.
thegreatgalling
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I have been suprised in the past by how many people hate Bale's voice as Batman. I don't really mind it as the WHOLE purpose of Bale's batman's costume is to intimidate. There is something about his bark that is certainly more scary than Clooney with suit nipples. Actually maybe not :lol.
Bale gives Wayne that familiar poshy slur, its just nice to have the contrast. And if you go back and watch all the movies, even Keaton rasps his voice a bit, as well as Kilmer. In fact, Clooney is the only one who didn't.
And as much as I loved Keaton as Batman, the guns and the killing was unecessary. It wouldn't have changed a hill of beans if instead of killing, he simply knocked the goons out, and I would have much prefered if Nicholson lived. As long as there is a Batman, there should be a Joker. 89' played Joker out WAY too fast.
I have been suprised in the past by how many people hate Bale's voice as Batman. I don't really mind it as the WHOLE purpose of Bale's batman's costume is to intimidate. There is something about his bark that is certainly more scary than Clooney with suit nipples. Actually maybe not :lol.
Bale gives Wayne that familiar poshy slur, its just nice to have the contrast. And if you go back and watch all the movies, even Keaton rasps his voice a bit, as well as Kilmer. In fact, Clooney is the only one who didn't.
And as much as I loved Keaton as Batman, the guns and the killing was unecessary. It wouldn't have changed a hill of beans if instead of killing, he simply knocked the goons out, and I would have much prefered if Nicholson lived. As long as there is a Batman, there should be a Joker. 89' played Joker out WAY too fast.
Actually theres more of a chance of us seeing the 89 joker again than Ledger's
thegreatgalling
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I'll ask for you:
"Too soon?" :lol
I'll ask for you:
"Too soon?" :lol
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SSgt Burton
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Yeah they also tried to hit this point by having young Wayne throw the gun into the river in "Begins". However (as a bit of a purist) I don't like the fact it took a slap from Rachel to make him "wake up" to his distain for guns.
(Yes I know the 1939 Batman used a gun, and "Year Two" explored Batman carrying a gun
).
Totally agree here. They all have decent takes on Batman, but B&R is completely unwatchable.
In fact the one movie "I" feel captured the comic best was "Forever". However even "Forever" has Batman causing the death of Two Face. In the comic he would have hauled him off to jail or Arkham Asylum.
It's been said before that the "ideal" Bat-film has yet to be made. Batman doesn't kill under any circumstances including allowing someone to die by omission of action (the "I can't kill you, but I don't have to save you" part of "Begins").
What is interesting is that the Axis Chemicals scene at the beginning of "Batman '89" seemed to capture this concept of "no killing" perfectly. Batman uses his harpoon to string up one of the thugs. He even attempts to save Napier who had just tried to shoot him. Keaton delivered a perfect look of shock when he couldn't save him, and dropped him into the chemical vat.
However they blew this completely by having Batman kill several thugs with the Batwing gatling guns, as well as throwing the thug down the bell tower shaft, and telling the Joker "I'm going to kill you". :rolleyes
DarthGordon once explained why this played out the way it did (with someone different writing the opening than the ending of "Batman '89"). I can't remember who wrote which sequence so hopefully DG will chime in. :thumbsup
West didn't either.
But of course this led to the question, "Why didn't they recognize his voice; especially over the Bat-phone?"
"Forever" might be closest to the comic for me, but entertainment-wise "Batman '89" tops the list. "TDK" was entertaining... but would have been a lot better without Bale's Bat-voice, the motocross Batsuit and that convoluted "Bat sonar" (or whatever they called it) sequence at the end. Seemed to be nothing more than self indulgence on Nolan's part to have a "real World" explanation for Batman having "white eyes" in the comics. :rolleyes
As to "Who is Batman?"...
While Keaton did an excellent job,
Adam West will always be him to me.
Kevin
Yeah they also tried to hit this point by having young Wayne throw the gun into the river in "Begins". However (as a bit of a purist) I don't like the fact it took a slap from Rachel to make him "wake up" to his distain for guns.
(Yes I know the 1939 Batman used a gun, and "Year Two" explored Batman carrying a gun
).Totally agree here. They all have decent takes on Batman, but B&R is completely unwatchable.
In fact the one movie "I" feel captured the comic best was "Forever". However even "Forever" has Batman causing the death of Two Face. In the comic he would have hauled him off to jail or Arkham Asylum.
It's been said before that the "ideal" Bat-film has yet to be made. Batman doesn't kill under any circumstances including allowing someone to die by omission of action (the "I can't kill you, but I don't have to save you" part of "Begins").
What is interesting is that the Axis Chemicals scene at the beginning of "Batman '89" seemed to capture this concept of "no killing" perfectly. Batman uses his harpoon to string up one of the thugs. He even attempts to save Napier who had just tried to shoot him. Keaton delivered a perfect look of shock when he couldn't save him, and dropped him into the chemical vat.
However they blew this completely by having Batman kill several thugs with the Batwing gatling guns, as well as throwing the thug down the bell tower shaft, and telling the Joker "I'm going to kill you". :rolleyes
DarthGordon once explained why this played out the way it did (with someone different writing the opening than the ending of "Batman '89"). I can't remember who wrote which sequence so hopefully DG will chime in. :thumbsup
West didn't either.
But of course this led to the question, "Why didn't they recognize his voice; especially over the Bat-phone?"
"Forever" might be closest to the comic for me, but entertainment-wise "Batman '89" tops the list. "TDK" was entertaining... but would have been a lot better without Bale's Bat-voice, the motocross Batsuit and that convoluted "Bat sonar" (or whatever they called it) sequence at the end. Seemed to be nothing more than self indulgence on Nolan's part to have a "real World" explanation for Batman having "white eyes" in the comics. :rolleyes
As to "Who is Batman?"...
While Keaton did an excellent job,
Adam West will always be him to me.
Kevin
darthgordon
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The script was originally written by Sam Hamm. A lot of people had their hand in the script after he completed it. The studio was putting what they considered at the time, a lot of money into the movie... which is when they start meddling too much. I believe the rewrites came from Warren Skaaren. He was responsible for putting all the killing in by Batman.
The many, many rewrites were also responsible for the plot holes in the movie. The most glaring being, the Joker tells everyone when and where he'll be for Gotham's anniversary. So where the heck is GPD? Earlier script drafts have the Joker poisoning the police department, which results in a serious reduction of the police force. That's why the festival was being canceled in the first place.
The long gun that the Joker uses to take down the Batwing was actually due to budget. Originally, there was supposed to be a tank hidden behind him. It was cut and replaced with the gun to save money.
The idiotic idea of the Joker killing Bruce Wayne's parents came up during the writer's strike that was going on during filming. As a result, Hamm couldn't be there for filming. Burton appears ready to take the "credit" for the idea... and no one's contradicted him on it.
Batman's use of guns mounted on equipment doesn't bother me so much as long as they are used as tools rather than weapons. Using the guns on the Batmobile to cut through the door for instance.
Despite all it's problems, I can't help but love this movie. It's visually amazing... the look of Gotham, the mixing of eras to give it a timeless quality (though Prince dates it right away), Elfman's score and Jack's Joker... and as I said... which was the original topic at hand, I thought Keaton did a great job.
The script was originally written by Sam Hamm. A lot of people had their hand in the script after he completed it. The studio was putting what they considered at the time, a lot of money into the movie... which is when they start meddling too much. I believe the rewrites came from Warren Skaaren. He was responsible for putting all the killing in by Batman.
The many, many rewrites were also responsible for the plot holes in the movie. The most glaring being, the Joker tells everyone when and where he'll be for Gotham's anniversary. So where the heck is GPD? Earlier script drafts have the Joker poisoning the police department, which results in a serious reduction of the police force. That's why the festival was being canceled in the first place.
The long gun that the Joker uses to take down the Batwing was actually due to budget. Originally, there was supposed to be a tank hidden behind him. It was cut and replaced with the gun to save money.
The idiotic idea of the Joker killing Bruce Wayne's parents came up during the writer's strike that was going on during filming. As a result, Hamm couldn't be there for filming. Burton appears ready to take the "credit" for the idea... and no one's contradicted him on it.
Batman's use of guns mounted on equipment doesn't bother me so much as long as they are used as tools rather than weapons. Using the guns on the Batmobile to cut through the door for instance.
Despite all it's problems, I can't help but love this movie. It's visually amazing... the look of Gotham, the mixing of eras to give it a timeless quality (though Prince dates it right away), Elfman's score and Jack's Joker... and as I said... which was the original topic at hand, I thought Keaton did a great job.
SSgt Burton
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Heh! I had no idea about the tank or GPD being poisoned!
Funny- all these years I hadn't paid any attention to the police force being non-existent during the festival showdown. I just "went with it" all this time. I suppose I may have thought that GPD and the mayor had essentially given up at that point. The GPD had been played as being less than effective and more or less Keystone copish. They basically show up after everything is over.
This was beyond ridiculous! :lol
I remember my buddy and I looking at each other with that "Huh? :confused" look on our faces back in the theater in 1989. "But, but, but... it was Joe Chill." :unsure
Kevin
Heh! I had no idea about the tank or GPD being poisoned!
Funny- all these years I hadn't paid any attention to the police force being non-existent during the festival showdown. I just "went with it" all this time. I suppose I may have thought that GPD and the mayor had essentially given up at that point. The GPD had been played as being less than effective and more or less Keystone copish. They basically show up after everything is over.
This was beyond ridiculous! :lol
I remember my buddy and I looking at each other with that "Huh? :confused" look on our faces back in the theater in 1989. "But, but, but... it was Joe Chill." :unsure
Kevin
nickytea
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Don't, I'll post something even more tasteless from when the movie was in theaters, so you don't feel as bad in comparison:
As for Bale's bat voice ... I love it. I do it at least once a day.
"THIS CITY JUST SHOWED YOU THAT IT'S FULL OF PEOPLE READY TO BELIEVE IN GOOD." I mean, really, how many actors would have the balls to do it like that?
Don't, I'll post something even more tasteless from when the movie was in theaters, so you don't feel as bad in comparison:
As for Bale's bat voice ... I love it. I do it at least once a day.
"THIS CITY JUST SHOWED YOU THAT IT'S FULL OF PEOPLE READY TO BELIEVE IN GOOD." I mean, really, how many actors would have the balls to do it like that?
Dang Gordon, you da (bat)man- i never knew all this info. Thanks
CTF
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Re: Michael Keaton as Batman
I know you're "joking," but you spoke too soon (not in a poor taste kinda way, either).
I know you're "joking," but you spoke too soon (not in a poor taste kinda way, either).
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