Julien’s Upcoming Hero Phaser & Communicator Auction

[AdmiralBaxter]

I saw these 3 or 4 months ago and believe them to be 100% legit. The comm has the correct stop watch in it but it is turned around backwards which is what you are seeing through the hole there (the glue on the back of the stopwatch). I have a ton of photos of them and could not find anything that was not correct.

Really a new thread should be started for these.

Thing is if the phaser was real my phone would have been ringing non-stop...

I have serious doubts cause I have been in contact with others and it's really ODD a second hero phaser in better shape than the Jein hero turns up after nearly 60's and literally no one had a clue about it.........

I don't know enough about the comms to say anything about them one way or the other, so I just trust the opinions of others....

 

[Gregatron]

Thing is if the phaser was real my phone would have been ringing non-stop...

I have serious doubts cause I have been in contact with others and it's really ODD a second hero phaser in better shape than the Jein hero turns up after nearly 60's and literally no one had a clue about it.........

I don't know enough about the comms to say anything about them one way or the other, so I just trust the opinions of others....

To say nothing of the fact that it’s supposedly the Finney/“Cloud Minders” version, the second most-documented and well-known hero, after the Jein hero.

Why not one of the others? Why are we suddenly and conveniently seeing the second most well-known hero phaser and hero communicator pop up?

 

[AdmiralBaxter]

To say nothing of the fact that it’s supposedly the Finney/“Cloud Minders” version, the second most-documented and well-known hero, after the Jein hero.

Why not one of the others? Why are we suddenly and conveniently seeing the second most well-known hero phaser and hero communicator pop up?

We both already know.....

IF it was real the current owner of the Jein phaser would own it by now as he intends on getting as many of the hero props he can into his collection.....

 

[asalaw]

The phaser is the TMOST and the communicator is the Beta. They came from a legit source that can be traced back to the show. I did extensive photo matching with unpublished photos of the original props at the first of the year and everything looks perfect, every detail.

Don't discount these, after all, things happen; the 3 footer was recently discovered.

Can you give any more detail on this, or are you under a confidentiality agreement? Some more information would definitely help the discussion.

 

[feek61]

I get it all, I am the most skeptical and look forward to everyones detailed analysis. I know what I believe based on my extensive research on the phaser, I think it is the real thing. The more eyes on this the better.

 

[feek61]

Here is a comparison of the meter numbers of the new found hero which line up with the TMOST. At first I thought it was not right because of the lower numbers not showing up (24) but apparently that is a lensing effect from the meter as confirmed by the unpublished photo below of the phaser showing the meter taken during the TMOST photo shoot. I thought it was particularly interesting that the "24" number was there even though not visible in the TMOST book or other images of the same P1, yet it was on the new found hero and confirmed with unpublished photos. In itself a compelling clue since it was not a known feature.

 

[AdmiralBaxter]

I get it all, I am the most skeptical and look forward to everyones detailed analysis. I know what I believe based on my extensive research on the phaser, I think it is the real thing. The more eyes on this the better.

I agree.

IF I'm wrong about it being fake I'd be very happy....

Yet I've had an unusually good track record of spotting fakes

 

[Gregatron]

I get it all, I am the most skeptical and look forward to everyones detailed analysis. I know what I believe based on my extensive research on the phaser, I think it is the real thing. The more eyes on this the better.

Listen, I'll be the first to eat crow if these turn out to be real.

But the fact of the matter is that this auction only came to light very recently, and very little info/images are as yet available.

We've seen some excellent fakes, over the past few years. The downside to all of the data and research made public by HeroComm and others is that forgers have a lot more to work with when crafting their fakes.

Vigilance is necessary, here, as is meeting the burden of proof. It's always the little details.

 

[feek61]

I could not agree more! You and I have had discussions in the past about fakes and I respect your judgement and look forward to everyone opinon once the photos are released. I will reach out and see if I can post some that I have.

 

[Lightning]

I makes sense to add damage to a fake. but it wouldn't make sense to deliberately put the wrong color jewel on it. it would either be correct or missing. An unknown change to a real one seems more plausible.

 

[AdmiralBaxter]

I makes sense to add damage to a fake. but it wouldn't make sense to deliberately put the wrong color jewel on it. it would either be correct or missing. An unknown change to a real one seems more plausible.

Apparently, the communicator was restored at some point using vintage parts.....

I really hope they are real, yet we know the reality of the situation is there's a good chance they are fakes

 

[phasernut]

My gut feels “different” with these pieces.

They just look “right” to my eye.

I’m going to pull a Kruge and “trust my instincts” and see what additional details come out on these pieces before issuing any opinion.

…even the rear fin shapes (and bends / warping) seem to match, as does the fin cut-out in the shell.

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Regarding the rear fins: The suspect prop's front fin cavity seems to have the same curve as the screen grab.

But regarding the length of the fins themselves at the front: to me it looks like the 2nd fin down in the screen cap is shorter then the other three. The suspect prop's 2nd fin seems to be even with the other three. (I can't edit the photo to show what I'm trying to say)

 

[feek61]

I've had an unusually good track record of spotting fakes

As do I!!!

 

[feek61]

I makes sense to add damage to a fake. but it wouldn't make sense to deliberately put the wrong color jewel on it. it would either be correct or missing. An unknown change to a real one seems more plausible.

Not sure what you are saying here, the TMOST / Finny had a blue jewel as does the Julien auction phaser. Can you clarify?

 

[Lightning]

Not sure what you are saying here, the TMOST / Finny had a blue jewel as does the Julien auction phaser. Can you clarify?

Oh, I was talking about the communicator, not the phaser.

 

[asalaw]

Here is a comparison of the meter numbers of the new found hero which line up with the TMOST. At first I thought it was not right because of the lower numbers not showing up (24) but apparently that is a lensing effect from the meter as confirmed by the unpublished photo below of the phaser showing the meter taken during the TMOST photo shoot. I thought it was particularly interesting that the "24" number was there even though not visible in the TMOST book or other images of the same P1, yet it was on the new found hero and confirmed with unpublished photos. In itself a compelling clue since it was not a known feature.

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This is fascinating. I look forward to seeing more if you're able!

 

[AdmiralBaxter]

As do I!!!

Oh I know.... I don't bring much to the table other than knowing what period correct construction techniques would be used...

Yet that's the beauty of the hobby

 

[Gregatron]

Here is a comparison of the meter numbers of the new found hero which line up with the TMOST. At first I thought it was not right because of the lower numbers not showing up (24) but apparently that is a lensing effect from the meter as confirmed by the unpublished photo below of the phaser showing the meter taken during the TMOST photo shoot. I thought it was particularly interesting that the "24" number was there even though not visible in the TMOST book or other images of the same P1, yet it was on the new found hero and confirmed with unpublished photos. In itself a compelling clue since it was not a known feature.

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Fascinating.

People have wondered for years about whether there was some kind of “frame” around the plexi meter. Could it just have been glue that squished out around the edges?

And, for the record, I can (and always could) see the “24” in the TMOST photo. I literally just pulled my copy off the shelf and double-checked.

When I built my own P2 replica, based on the TMOST prop, I included the “24”. If the number had somehow been cut off of the number strip/the number strip cut too short, there would be a noticable and unsightly gap underneath the plexi.

We also have the plexi from the Jein hero as a scaling tool. It’s more than likely that they typed up the numbers, glued the plexi onto the paper, and trimmed off the excess paper, to ensure a proper fit.


An interesting tidbit, but I wouldn’t call it definitive proof one way or another.

 

[Gregatron]

Apparently, the communicator was restored at some point using vintage parts.....

I really hope they are real, yet we know the reality of the situation is there's a good chance they are fakes

Regarding the rear fins: The suspect prop's front fin cavity seems to have the same curve as the screen grab.

But regarding the length of the fins themselves at the front: to me it looks like the 2nd fin down in the screen cap is shorter then the other three. The suspect prop's 2nd fin seems to be even with the other three. (I can't edit the photo to show what I'm trying to say)

See, this is where we start getting into gray areas. It’s far, far, too convenient to handwave discrepancies between onscreen footage and the props’ current state by saying that parts were replaced after filming, or that parts were sloppily repainted.

The last good closeup of the Beta comm was in “Day of the Dove”, about halfway through the third season. The last good closeup of the Finney phaser was in “The Cloud Minders”, near the end of the third season. Subsequent episodes didn’t really need hero closeups, and, even if said props WERE somehow damaged, that’s why backups/multiples were made.

It’s pretty questionable to say that one or both props needed “repairs” after their final onscreen appearances. That way leads down the road of, “the 2021 auction phaser was sloppily repainted, and the P1 was sent to Wah Chang for repairs, but not returned before the show was cancelled”. Convenient stories which don’t quite fit the facts.

It seems mighty strange to me that both of these items are missing parts. Why would the glue on the P1 plexi apparently fail, but not the glue under the number strip?

 

[Gregatron]

Also, it’s hard to tell from the current photos, but the right and center gems on the comm may not match the 16ss hyacinth and 16ss crystal AB which HeroComm was reasonably sure that the real prop had. At the very least, the right stone appears to have been replaced with one identical to the left.

Hard to tell, but all three on this prop look to be the same size.