Is dust from sanding resin dangerous to breathe?

neosporing

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Is dust from sanding resin dangerous? On another board someone said that breathing the dust from resin when sanding is like breathing asbestos. I didn't know if he/she was exaggerating or serious about the detrimental effects of breathing in the dust.

can someone more knowlegable than i set me straight?
 
Hello prop guru's

I've heard that breathing the dust from sanding resin is as dangerous as asbestos. Is that an exaggeration or do i need to buy a heavy duty breathing mask when i sand my resin kits?

Thanks.
 
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Hello prop guru's

I've heard that breathing the dust from sanding resin is as dangerous as asbestos. Is that an exaggeration or do i need to buy a heavy duty breathing mask when i sand my resin kits?

Thanks.
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I am no expert, BUT I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. That said, if you have to ask if something is bad for you, like sanding resin sans at least a dust mask, then the odds are, it is BAD for you. I don't know a single builder here who DOESN'T wear at least a dust mask. I believe there are threads about just such a question as you posted.

Oh, here is the thread in question.
 
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Is dust from sanding resin dangerous? On another board someone said that breathing the dust from resin when sanding is like breathing asbestos. I didn't know if he/she was exaggerating or serious about the detrimental effects of breathing in the dust.

can someone more knowlegable than i set me straight?
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Yes it is, resin dust is very nasty. A while ago i used to work with it without a mask like a dumbass, and i got massive headaches, for some reason i had a bad reaction to just the slightest work with it, so naturally i mask up now and work with it as wet as possible to cut down on dust. Trust me, get a mask if you dont have one and use it, its not like im saying itll kill ya lol, but it could make you pretty ill. Hope that helps :)

lee
 
"like asbestos" might be a bit overstated (and the physical result much different besides) but yeah, you don't want to be breathing the stuff.
 
The dust is quite toxic. Then again, so are the fumes released when molding and casting this stuff. Urethane and polyester resins are nasty stuff. Epoxy is more benign, but don't breathe dust from that, either.

Always wear a dust mask or respirator when sanding. Even better, have a vacuum cleaner handy and vacuum the dust up as you work. This is especially needed when carving resin parts with a grinder or Dremel tool. The dust is heavy and sticks like mad to everything it touches.
 
Yes and Yes..

at the very, very, very least, at least put a bandana around your nose and mouth and tuck it down into your shirt. This isn't gonna stop super fine particles, but it's at least a type of filter so you're not pulling that crap down into your lungs.
 
I wear a dust mask, and I have a fan blowing on me and the piece while I use a dremel or sand resin. I do this on our porch so the area is well ventilated and make sure there isn't a wind that will blow it back in your face.

I made the mistake of not doing either of these things on some of my first pieces years and years ago. I sanded resin in my kitchen with no fan, and about 5 hours into working on a solid resin piece I tried to breath and couldn't take in a full breath.

I stopped what I was doing for the night and tried to rest, not even thinking it might be the resin. The next morning I collapsed in Publix while grocery shopping. I spent the next 2 days in the hospital. It wasn't fun. I have permanent scarring in my lungs from it.

No matter what you're working on, wood, aluminum, resin, you don't want to breath any of thst stuff in man.
 
Dust masks DO NOT cut it. Trust me, I know, I sell First Aid and Safety products for a living. READ THE MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) for the product and you’ll see that at the least an ORGANIC VAPOR rated cartridge is the minimum recommend by the manufacturer of the product. True, this is for the uncured “a” and “b”, but you can’t tell me with a straight face that resin is 100% inert after mixing, so assume the worst and BE SAFE.

The cheapie little masks from home depot only usually get a N95 rating at best, and that’s for the more expensive ones. Without fit testing, and the leakage you get around the mask with “generic” sizes, the masks really aren’t even that good protection wise. The really cheapies, well, lets just say you get what you pay for, a false sense of protection. We call them “comfort masks” for a reason in the industry, that’s all they are for, to give you some filtration and some comfort from airborne particles. N95 means, in the technical world of ANSI (American National Standards Institute) standards, that the “N” means it will filter ONLY non-oil particles, that oil particles will quickly degrade the rating, and the “95” means it will pick out around 95% of a given particulate size. A mask like this does nothing to filter out organic vapors or other toxic gases, and it still means you're getting 5% of the crud into your lungs.

*EDIT* For clarity: Mask vs Respirator: Masks are usually the paper disposable product you see everywhere, and respirators are the usually silicone form fitting shield you see with the cartriges that attach much like a gas mask. And no, surplus gas masks donÂ’t get you squat for protection. *End Edit*

What you really need, according to the MSDS, is a P100 organic vapor cartridge in a respirator, which is “P” all particles, and 99.97% filter rate, on a respirator that is properly FIT TESTED for your face so you do not have any blow by and are truly getting the stated filtering rate. You MUST change out you cartridges with the manufacturers spec, otherwise we’re back to that false sense of security. It helps to store you respirarator in a locker or a loarge zip lock bag between uses to keep the cartriges fresh.
An over the counter investment of around $30 is well worth your health and peace of mind. For that, you can get a decent quality half mask with suitable P100 Organic vapor cartridges attached. I pay, with my discount, around $10 for a good MSA half mask, which will last me practically forever, and another $12 for some VERY HIGH RATED, way overkill according to the MSDS for the Polytek Easy Flo product I use, P-100 Organic Vapor/Acid Gas/Ammonia cartridges which I keep in service only as long as the spec sheet allows or until I feel they are not working (odor, hard to breath, etc).

Personally, after thinking that, yeah, I won’t ever have a reaction to resin, and now when casting I do sometimes; I take EXTRA steps to protect myself. Before I start pouring now, I grease up with one of the commercially available “liquid gloves” on all exposed skin, open the door and turn on a fan to get the air moving. I still wear gloves as always, but now I make it a very large point to get any spilled resin off ASAP, and as soon as I’m done take a nice long shower and REALLY scrub down all my skin several times.

As far as sanding goes, I try to wet sand when I can when I’m building up here at home, a deep tray with water goes a long way to keep the dust down to zero. When I’m using bench tools to sand down large pour sprues or core out TIE hulls, I wear my respirator and put a fan on high blowing the dust away, and I “use the compressor and an air cleanup tool to “blow” all the dust off my clothes as soon as I’m done. I leave my mask on until the air is clear, and if you run a shop vac to pick up after yourself, wear the mask while you are running it as it’s not HEPA rated and is tossing back some of that resin in the air. Cured resin is better in that your absorption through the skin is probably very miniscule since it is no longer liquid, and by protecting your lungs with a respirator you are really minimizing the exposure. But, it goes without saying, don’t eat drink or smoke until you wash up, and do this if not outside then in a garage or other area that you don’t live in that you can ventilate well.

Everyone has different tolerance “thresholds”, and until you overdo it like I have once or twice and “paid the price” with nasty rashes and sometimes some respiratory distress (real fun when you have asthma already), you won’t know what that is. And, it is cumulative damage to your body, and until you detox you’re super sensitive, and no matter what your threshold is lower for the next time and you did some damage, permanently.

For the minimum exposure of cured resin though sanding for a hobby only, donÂ’t take the chance, buy a quality respirator that fits, and USE IT. You only get issued one body in this life, and you need to protect it as much as possible.

Oh, and resin is not near as bad as asbestos, as it’s not listed as a know carcinogen (at least the type I use), but it does have a residue as a plastic that can build up on you lungs like asbestos that is very hard for your body to expel. Asbestos is dangerous and causes cancer mainly because it “burrows” into you lungs and other organs and your body doesn’t have a way to get it out, and your body winds up leaving some form of scar tissue around the fiber to isolate it from the rest of your body and to keep the sharp particle from doing further damage.

Hope this helps,

Ryan
 
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True, this is for the uncured “a” and “b”, but you can’t tell me with a straight face that resin is 100% inert after mixing, so assume the worst and BE SAFE.[/b]

But uncured is a vapor while dust is particlular. Isn't it a bit easier to filter particles than gas?
 
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True, this is for the uncured “a” and “b”, but you can’t tell me with a straight face that resin is 100% inert after mixing, so assume the worst and BE SAFE.[/b]

But uncured is a vapor while dust is particlular. Isn't it a bit easier to filter particles than gas?
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Yes, it is far easier to filter out particles vs vapors, but I'll bet my $30 I spent for a respirator that my lungs aren't going to take the chance on that somewhat wishful thinking.

Even cured resin still smells, and that smell is the organic vapors leeching out of the surface layer of the resin. Start sanding and exposing "fresh" resin, and the smell goes up, and so does the harmful vapors. I'm not saying that the resin is anywhere near as harmful cured as the uncured a and b portions, but why take the chance? How would you feel if your hobby put you in the hospital, or worse yet you're one the REALLY sensative people and as a result of your minor but cumulative exposure every single time you go anywhere near a resin product you break out in hives, get a headache/migrane and have trouble breathing? It HAS happend to some unforunate folks, and all I'm saying is don't let it happen to you, PROTECT YOURSELF as much as you can.

Think on this, a dust mask that traps resin right up against your face, resin that smells, could POTENTIALLY be worse than no mask at all. How you ask? Because its forcing you to breathe in that concentrated organic vapor, instead of the much less concentrated vapor in the room overall. The OV is the really dangerous part of the resin, as its pretty damn tough for you body to push it out, and you bodys fatty tissue loves to absorb the crap but it hates to let it go.

It truly is "Better safe than sorry", like I said, you only get one body in this life, so you should take care of it as much as you can.


Ryan
 
I should have added that too, the cheap paper masks are not up to much, i use a resp mask with twin filters, the tray od water is a good idea too, i use a washing up bowl, its scary how far this stuff spreads when dry sanded, if you model in the house, you gotta think of the family too.
 
No it's not a problem at all... COUGH. HACK...COUGH.

(Propsculptor hacks up Resin Dust.) :lol



Play it safe with any sanding or dust. :thumbsup
 
Any data on the adverse effects on felines? Living in an apartment I have little choice but to dedicate a corner of what would be a sort of dining room, to a little shop. I keep many of the safety precautions mentioned herein, start with a dropcloth, open windows, remove dust from work areas as soon as reasonably possible. Still, some must become airborn. I worry more about my two companions having adverse effects than myself - I choose to take such risks, they have it shoved upon them. Any advice?

Jay
 
In general, any dust is not good to inhale, inert or not. That being said, I don't always wear a respirator, but there have been many times I wished I had.

Better safe than sorry.
 
Sanding polyester is dangerous and you should wear a dust mask. Ask any boat-builder or any other commercial fibreglass manufacturer and they will tell you the same, dustmasks and gloves and air extraction systems when sanding and finishing. Organic Chemical respirator and gloves when laying-up. Hoover up dust because it's basically ground-glass.

Sanding urethane is different, you should take the same precautions as if you were sanding wood or any other inert material, dust-mask is fine, wet-sanding using wet-or-dry paper is ideal. Hoover up dust, but small amounts of dust won't kill you, your pets or your goldfish. Avoid touching just-cast urethane without gloves, because the diisocyanate hardener can still be reacting for several hours. Do not burn urethane.

If you are reacting multiple litres of the stuff everyday on your kitchen table you are asking for trouble.

The vapors produced by reaction of the component parts of urethane resin dangerous and you should wear an organic chemical mask and work in a well ventilated area. The list of chemicals used in urethane reactions would be familiar to any Nazi scientist, Chemical Weapons user or terrorist.

Benzene with nitric acid and a catalyst, to form nitrobenzene
Nitrobenzene with hydrogen and a catalyst, to form aniline
Reaction of the aniline with formaldehyde and a catalyst, to form methylene dianiline (MDA), also known as diaminodiphenylmethane (DADPM)
Reaction of the MDA/DADPM with phosgene, to form an MDI mixture


Apart from all that - have fun.
 
Je$u$....this thread scared the sh.t out of me. Well, I'm off to buy a better respirator. Ryan's right....is your health worth the extra $50 when we will think nothing of spending $400 on a fake lightsaber?. ;)
 
Oh, and don't eat lunch at your project table. And don't sand resin on your food table...at least not when there's food on it. ;)
 
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