I need some feedback about items for sale

Dark Shadow

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Ive noticed this year that items that people are not selling like they used to. People are having to take big hits on some pretty good items that would normally go for big bucks. (Quid, or Euros, depending where you are :) )
One example is the Shock trooper helmets form MR. THey were an exclusive that sold for $399 plus shipping. People are trying to resell them and are taking some pretty bad hits. This is a nice item and pretty rare being from a run of 750. Granted there are other incarnations of this helmet like the regular and special ops but still there are only 750 of the helmets with the red highlights.
Please, chime in who ever wants to and give me some feedback as to why YOU wouldnt pay the price for a good item. Thanks
 
The recent QC issues with their entire helmet line has put me off...which is why I cancelled my ROTS Vader helmet order with you. And from what I hear, the replacement Clone and Vader lids thus far haven't been that much better. It's a shame really....
 
Yup. From a business practices standpoint, QC issues and a general "take it or leave it" attitude from MR has basically all but put me off of buying anything of theirs.

On a personal level, I just don't have room to collect helmets, so I need to be very choosy with the ones I would buy. If I'm going to spend money on a helmet, it's not going to be a clone helmet. It would be a Vader (but not a $1,000 SS version), stormtrooper or Boba Fett.
 
I appreciate the responses. In response to the QC issues. I got a shipment of the vader helmets and after inspection of each one I recieved, all of them are perfectly flawless in every way. I think MR did a good job in correcting their problem. How about other items such as unliscensed props. They are taking hits too.
 
In regards to clonetrooper helmets:

You can get fanmade clonetrooper helmets for far less than the MR helmets. The quality of the fanmades has caught up to MR.
 
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In regards to clonetrooper helmets:

You can get fanmade clonetrooper helmets for far less than the MR helmets. The quality of the fanmades has caught up to MR.
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I'm with you there. I am considering a Stormie/Clone lid in the new year and I would rather pay less for a fan made that is just as good if not better.
 
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The quality of the fanmades has caught up to MR.
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Have they? Although excellent, the ones I've seen look a bit "jowly", the cheek tubes being too big.
 
I suspect the plunging "value" of props and other collectibles in auction is one of several indicators that a recession is in the mail. The purse strings are tightening and that's always going to drive down auction prices. It becomes difficult to justify original values for a display helmet or metal tube when your ARM is resetting and inflation outpaces wage hikes.
 
I don't know about anyone else but I have put off buying some smaller things because of some big ticket items such as the MR Enterprise. There seems to be a lot of higher priced items coming out soon that I am spending my prop funds on.
 
On the subject I just paid a lot for a Tie Pilot made "from the original moulds" and it came with scratches and water spots. :cry For the amount that I paid I could of had 5 Sgtfang's Tie pilot helmets (I did order a Sgtfang Tie Pilot also). I mean it is nice to have MR or SDS but you take the chance of bad QC. With fan made items be it helmets or other the buyer in most cases is going to "Finish" the product themselves and I am a firm believer in "No one takes care of you like yourself". Even with this being said I am trying to find the money to get a MR Vader but I will probably be dissappointed and get a fan made one also to finish myself.
 
From a different perspective there have also been some big,big auctions this year.The Profiles auctions have been racking up big sales,the Christies Star Trek auction and another Trek auction coming soon.I think a lot of people have just overspent this year.
 
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I appreciate the responses. In response to the QC issues. I got a shipment of the vader helmets and after inspection of each one I recieved, all of them are perfectly flawless in every way. I think MR did a good job in correcting their problem. How about other items such as unliscensed props. They are taking hits too.
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As far as SW stuff, I think that we are in a lull that's been around since post ROTS. Although I think it will rev up again with C4, 30th anniversary, etc....and then with the next SW spin off release and whatever else is planned. However, I don't think the hype/demand will ever come back to where it was with the PT.
 
I think one of the things being overlooked is

No more SW movies, no new ST movies, or shows

The passive fans have moved on, so now you're just dealing with the core die hards

I have gotten rid of a lot of my SW stuff recently, or just packed it away. Honestly, the shine has worn off for me, and there are a lot of movies that I would rather have props, models, etc. from in my display area...

That being said, alot of these properties are being ignored... I would love to find a Minority Report Sonic Pistol, or one of the thumb scanners from Gattaca, A Conan jade serpent pendant, or a million other props from movies, but they tend to be passed over... so I make my own or patiently wait for someone to do one.

Take a look in this Prop forum alone, and you'll see 75% of it is SW& ST stuff... and stuff I just breeze on by...

I'm sure I'm not the only one
 
I understand people being upset about spending that much money and getting a helmet less than perfect, but there is a flip side to that coin. I saw a MR vader for sale on ebay that the owner was going to return to MR, I can't remember the specifics but the reason for him wanting to return it was because there were imperfections up inside the dome, not around the inside of the lid lip were it might be seen, but up inside the dome. I know some people have gotten helmets that were unacceptable and worthy of return, but I'm sure many have abused this and returned helmets for very minor imperfections and this has probably caused MR much trouble. It's not realistic that every helmet is going to have a flawless finish, my Vader was painted by one of the best custom painters in the country, he paints motorcycles and high end autos for celebrities and it isn't perfect, there are a couple of small imperfections in the finish. Many of those whose helmets were "scuffed" could have sanded the spots with some 1500 grit paper and buffed it out with some 3m finesse and had a perfect helmet, I know for the money nobody wants to have to do that, but there are few fan made helmets that have anything close to a perfect finish on them. After paying $750 for my fan made helmet I had to have it repainted because the finish wasn't as nice as I wanted. If you want a "near" perfect lid then find a cycle helmet painter and pay em 50 or so bucks to clear coat it for you, it'll be a much nicer finish than anything the factory is going to be able to do.
 
I must be lucky. All the Vader helmets and trooper helmets I have recieved are in pristine/perfect condition. This is of course after the recall though. I have a shock trooper helmet for sale that is in perfect condition. Keep the feed back comming. This is really interesting.
-Scott
 
Well, I agree with what has been said here.
I can't speak to the QC issues as I have personally only seen beautiful pieces (I don't own any of the helmets mentioned.)
The Christie's auction certainly had an effect: it sapped the budgets of those with deeper pockets and drove prices up on specific items (seen a TOS MR phaser on eBay lately? $800 - $2000..)
Also, with a dip in fandom (the lull is certainly upon us) and with the rising prices of these pieces, less can afford them.
Added to that, the "biggies" have been done. Okay, there must be a big audience for a Vader helmet, but there are also a million of them, starting at Toys R Us and they have been available since, what, the 1978 Don Post?
(maybe that was even late 1977? can't remember.)

So, yeah, I'd love a phaser and a Han Solo blaster, and Luke's Lightsaber, but when it gets down to Jango Fett's left boot-dart-quiver, uh, no thanks.
Plus, it's going to cost $799 or something.
After a while you feel like the people making these are (as ever) pushing the prices up to the very highest mark, which will also reduce the available market.
I don't want to say "gouging" because they get what they can for these pieces, but when the prices get as high as they are now, you will see a much pickier audience ("QC issues") a smaller audience (who can afford it?) and the items have to be pivotal (Enterprise, Millenium Falcon - yes.) and iconic to justify the cost.

I suspect MR has seen this trend and knows exactly what it is doing, when it tries to do a "CE" program, and gets bought by Corgi (phew, just in time, no doubt.)
They have milked the market and unless there are some other big collector properties, they may have passed their summit of sales.
Another sign of their awareness of this is the attempt to re-issue pieces at a lower price point, which only backfires (IMHO) because they already got the die-hard collector money and now those people will feel "cheated" that they bought a limited edition only to have copies coming out and probably not terribly different to the casual observer, taking away from how special their big ticket purchase was.
On the other hand, making them from "less exotic materials" sounds like they will be cheap castings of the original out of pot metal (for those who would otherwise jump at the "second chance" to get one.)
So in a collector's circle, people don't want to be labelled as the "second tier" buyer of the "cheap knock-off"
nor the person who paid too much for what is perceived to be a common prop replica.
I belive the only way to do this multiple tier of lmited editions is to do it like the DVD (still maddening) but offer the "better" version later for a premium.
As a collector this is mostly infuriating because it works. If I got one at a decent price and then one comes out that is better in a significant way, I would want to "upgrade" - selling my previous purchase and buying the new one.
My other opinion (are you sorry you asked now?) about helmets is that, if you can't wear them, they better be pretty inexpensive. If people can wear their beautiful Rocketeer helmet to a convention and show it off, they get some positive reinforcement for their high dollar purchase. Likewise, if they are "trooping" or Vader in public, some will want the very best for it and if it (inevitably) get a little beat up in the process, they may just buy another.
However, if it's the headgear of the third Gungan to the left in scene 63 of Phantom Menace, then they are only going to sell 13 of them no matter what.

Holy cow, did I ramble. Sorry about that Chief.
:rolleyes
 
To throw my 2 cents in the ring:

I have noticed two type of collectors/costumers of props. Those that love the 50 foot rule and those that are anal.

The MR LE Shocktrooper and all MR buckets have soft detail. The edges are not crisp, everything has a rounded edge to it. I can buy a sharp, accurate fan made helmet here recently for far less and get a better paint job.

Props in general have become more and more less exotic due to ebay and recasting too. Some people dont care what they buy, as long as its close and resembles what they want. That is the mentality of some in my opinion.

Some people have no problem paying top dollar for what is valuable to them. Take me for example, you could sell me a screen used/real deal phaser from Star Trek for $5.00 and I would pass, means nothing to me and I dont like it, regardless of its heritage. Now, turn around and sell me TMNT movie suit and Ill pay good money for it, means more to me. Just an example.

I dont see so much of a reccession, its about people spending money where they want, not just because they can. You have those folks as well.

Again, my 2 cents.
 
There are several MR pieces I would like to have but the reason I dont is because I feel it way over priced....You get a COA...to me ( so what ) I dont want to pay an extra $100 - $200 for a 15 cent piece of printed paper that tells me what I have. I am buying it for the prop not the for very over priced piece of paper I could print out on my printer....people are paying the high prices and it isn't holding it's resale value so you are stuck selling at a lower price...
 
I think part of the reason you see a difference in the pricing is that real companies like MR have to pay for licenses.
 
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