Help with identifying a Short Sword from Buffy the Vampire Slayer--SWORD FOUND!

[Mutant-Enemy]

I'm hoping someone out there knows their swords and can tell me the original manufacturer of this one.
It was used in a Buffy Episode called "The Replacement" to kill a demon called Toth. The one pictured was sold by Screen-used a while back.
I have spoken with Kit Rae about it and not only is it NOT one of his, he doesn't know who made it.
I swear I saw it a while back fairly common and it was usually sold next to another of similar design called a "Persian Scimitar" which can still be found.
(I say similar because of the brass and wood used for the handles looks to be of the same composition)
It's undoubtedly a "Wall hanger" P.O.S. but I still want it...anybody have any info they can share?
Thanks for looking!

 

[DavidS]

Re: Help with identifying a Short Sword from Buffy the Vampire Slayer

looks like a pakistani made POS sword...

search smoky mountain knifeworks they used to sell those

 

[Mutant-Enemy]

Re: Help with identifying a Short Sword from Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Thanks David, I'll check it out.

 

[Mutant-Enemy]

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No luck David. I even went through their specials and clearence sections.

A LOT of POS there...just not the POS I'm looking for.:lol

 

[Mutant-Enemy]

Re: Help with identifying a Short Sword from Buffy the Vampire Slayer

*BUMP* for input.

 

[Mutant-Enemy]

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*bump*

 

[Ttaskmaster]

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Try all the Wallhanger shops, like Del Tin, Blades UK and so on.
Essentially, Google up 'sword' and wade through.

Perhaps some of the places that sell the general 'movie replica' blades like the Highlander, Robin Hood and Conan swords. It looks of the same ilk as their lower end stuff.

I don't know too much about it as I get my steel hitty-things custom forged

 

[Mutant-Enemy]

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Thanks Task...been doing just that.
I tried Dell Tin some time ago as they supplied the blade for Tony Swatton's "Angelus Sword" for the "becoming" episodes, but no luck.

I've been surfing every sword dealer I can find and also skimming E-Bay now and again...still no luck!

I was sort of hoping someone would see my pic and realize they have this POS in their closet or some such and want to get rid of it.

Still looking...

 

[jason1976]

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Can your repost the pic (it doesn't come up anymore,) I may be able to help.

 

[Mutant-Enemy]

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You bet! Here it is:

 

[jason1976]

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It's certainly not a Kit Rae. (but you already know that.) It's certainly a P.O.S. wall hanger, but your looking too big budget with things like Kit Rea, and Del Tin, their stuff my be walhanger-ish, but they are more high end wallhangers, this is one of those $10-$20 P.O.S. you see at flee markets, and junk sward shops. Go to an actual sword/knife shop. When I went to one for the first time, I was blown away be the number of catalogs they had, brimming with swords I had never seen before. It was a like a library of catalogs, and they were willing to order any of them. They may not all be like that, but I have been in quite a few that are. Just take in what pics you have, show them, and they will usually help you dig through the catalogs, until they find it. (and those catalogs have stuff you will never find on your own on the net.)

Problems is, Swords this cheep don't have real names. (unlike Kit Rae, or others makers swords do.) It might be called one thing in one catalog, and somehthing else, in another, and something else on the web, and so on.(I've seen some that have dozens of names, between all the places it's listed.)

Also try talking to people on sites like Bud-K. (they sell a lot of P.O.S., and wall they may not have it in stock now, they maybe willing to tell you if they did at some point, and who made it.)

Do you have any pics of the full sword, showing the blade? I can look through some of my old sword catalogs.

Sorry if this hasn't been very helpful, I'm usually really good at this sort of thing. I identified most of the swords from buffy, and angle years ago, and had a how list of them on here, but this one must have slipped my notice, because it's the first time I'm seeing it. (I really have to post that list again, with updated pics, and all.)

 

[Mutant-Enemy]

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Thanks Jason.
No, I know it's not a Kit Rae, but Kit was very helpful in identifying the Willow Knife for me and steering me in the correct direction to find it and so I thought he might be just as helpful with the one I'm looking for.
I'm assuming the sword I'm looking for DOES have a name because it was sold along side this sword for years:

This sword is called "Persian Scimitar" and is still available. I believe it was made originally by the same place that made the one I'm looking for. Notice the handle area and just how similiar it is? I seem to recall that this sword was listed alongside the one I'm looking for in Museum Replicas for years but I've asked them as well and they don't even respond.
If I could find out the manufacturer of the above sword I think I could track down the other I'm looking for.​

Yes, I saw your list as you reposted it a year or so ago, but as you said at the time, most of the links are bad or just don't exist anymore.

I'm assuming you know that the Factory X versions of the Buffy and Angelus Swords currently available on the market are complete fantasy interpretations of those actually used on the show?
I have a good idea as to what happened to the original Angelus Sword as made by Tony Swatton for the show!​

 

[jason1976]

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You know, I was thinking, about this today, as I looked at some of my own wallhangers. It may have been off the shelf as is, but most of those wall hangers have "rat tail tangs" and it's easy to unscrew the pommels, and switch them around. The guard, handle, and pommel could have all come from different wall hangers. I have a knife with a guard that puts me in mine of that one. (mines a little different, and silver, but it does remind me of that one.) And I have a sword that has a pommel that puts me in mind of the one on that sword. (mine might be a little bigger, and have a few more details.)

Just a thought.

The I used to own the second sword you posted there, and I bout it under a different name. (like I said, a lot of those wallhangers get renamed by there sellers.) I have half a dozen wood and brass handled wall hangers that could, or could not be, from the same "Family".

As for the Factory X Buffy/Angle sword. I know it's way off, I actually know one of the guys the consulted on it. (nice guy, and even he said, what they wound up going with is all rong but thanks to him, it not even worse, because there original design was end further off. )

Del Tin, Made Angles short sword he used through out the Angle series, (the one that was seen in the opening credits for years.) Museum replicas used to sell one very similar to it (made by "Windless" I believe) , but neither makers, make them now. And they are hard to find. However, Factory X made a "Dracula" sword, that was supposed to look like the one from the 90's dracula movie, wall it actually looks noting like the one in the dracula film, it is very similar (though not exact) to the one used in Angle. And wall they also no longer make theirs, you can find them from time, to time, and when you do, they are way, WAY, cheaper then the other two alternatives. (I have one hanging in my kitchen with my other buffy stuff. )

Sorry didn't mean to get so far of topic, but I love talking buffy swords, and we just don't get much of that around here any more.

 

[Mutant-Enemy]

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That's alright, I expanded the topic heading to include talk of other Buffy Weapon's in this thread.
I'm referring to the two swords used in the episode's "Becoming 1&2", Buffy's and Angelus':

Buffy's was a small plain Brass hilt El-Cid with a narrow aluminum blade added. Angelus' metal sword however was a combination of a Del-Tin Blade with a hilt and handle from a company out of India
(I talked to the owner of that company and they don't make the hilt and handle any more)
They also had one of the Angelus Swords replicated in wood for when he threatens Buffy's Face.
BOTH of the metal swords were put together by Tony Swatton out of L.A. for the show and apparently the Angelus Sword pictured above was quite the popular rental for Tony...
until Factory X showed up and cut a deal with him.
After that both swords pictured above strangely disappeared from Tony's shop.
(He told me he just didn't know what he had done with them.)

Seem's to me it's pretty obvious that those two original swords had to disappear in order for Factory X to produce their FANTASY versions of the swords.
Here they are, the two swords that Factory X produces as the Buffy and Angelus Swords from Becoming 1&2, and they advertise them as being designed from the ones used in those episodes:

Anyway, it's obvious to the public I think that someone tried the old bait and switch as the swords above just aren't a hit with Buffy Fan's that know there stuff.
Most of the other weapons on the show, except for some of the more interesting axes, were purchased straight out of catalogues.
Here's the better known ones:

Oh and I can't leave out Willow's Dagger either which was altered only very slightly from this:

All the above leads me back around to my theory that the short sword I'm looking for was a "FOUND" item picked randomly out of a catalogue for Buffy to use in that episode. It appeared in Season Five when they had pretty much stopped getting weapons custom made. (until the last season that is, when they had the "Slayer Scythe" custom made.)
The only reason I don't have a picture of the blade is because the hilt pictured at the top is on the stunt sword that had it's blade broken so it could be mounted on the actor after he was supposed to be impaled.

Maybe someone out there has some old Museum Replica Catalogues that they could look through? I know I saw that top sword in this thread listed somewhere as it appears in the picture.
Thanks for the suggestion of looking in a Knife/Sword Shop for catalogues. There is one in the Mall across town from me that I think i'll check out. Let you know if I find anything!

 

[jason1976]

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That's alright, I expanded the topic heading to include talk of other Buffy Weapon's in this thread.
I'm referring to the two swords used in the episode's "Becoming 1&2", Buffy's and Angelus':

Buffy's was a small plain Brass hilt El-Cid with a narrow aluminum blade added. Angelus' metal sword however was a combination of a Del-Tin Blade with a hilt and handle from a company out of India
(I talked to the owner of that company and they don't make the hilt and handle any more)
They also had one of the Angelus Swords replicated in wood for when he threatens Buffy's Face.
BOTH of the metal swords were put together by Tony Swatton out of L.A. for the show and apparently the Angelus Sword pictured above was quite the popular rental for Tony...
until Factory X showed up and cut a deal with him.
After that both swords pictured above strangely disappeared from Tony's shop.
(He told me he just didn't know what he had done with them.)

Seem's to me it's pretty obvious that those two original swords had to disappear in order for Factory X to produce their FANTASY versions of the swords.
Here they are, the two swords that Factory X produces as the Buffy and Angelus Swords from Becoming 1&2, and they advertise them as being designed from the ones used in those episodes:

Anyway, it's obvious to the public I think that someone tried the old bait and switch as the swords above just aren't a hit with Buffy Fan's that know there stuff.

Yeah, those are the ones I was say I know the guy that helped get them back "on track" with there designs. He owns a toy/collectibles shop here an town, and has consulted on a number of their pieces. he's just a fan like the rest of us, but usually after Factory X makes a prototype they run it by him, and some others. He has one of those swords in his shop (the released version.), and when I said "You know those are way off from the screen used pieces" He said, "Oh, I know. They showed me their designs, and end a prototype, and they actually looked way worse then that. I told them how off they were, and after that this is what they came up with. They are awful, but they are better then what they had at first." I would have hated to see what those first ones looked like. I like both of the screen used swords, and I can see why they though (wrongly though) that they needed to dress them up for sales of the "replicas".

I had 5 or 6 years worth of Museum replicas catalogues saved up around here, for this exact reason. Unfortunintely when I looked for them last night I couldn't find them, I think My girl friend (or some one) must have throne them all out, when i wasn't looking . (I'll keep looking around the apartment though, I might have stuck them some where else.)

As for the other sword/knifes/etc. I'm sorry my list is mostly dead. I put it together years, and years ago, and the FTP site I had the pics on is gone, and since i'm on dial up, it would take for ever to up load all of those pics to my PB account, and hunt down new sellers of those items. (especialy since a lot of that stuff isn't made anymore. )

I really wish I had bought one of those Stainless steel replica scythes, that where out before the Factor X P.O.S. Wall hanger came out. I may still make my own. It wont be metal, or look very good, but it would be cheap, and if I'm going to wind up with something that I can only hang on my wall, I would rather pay $30. for parts, then $300. for a "replica" from Factory X. (their's does look good, but for that price, I want to be able to use it at least once.)

 

[Mutant-Enemy]

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Ah well, thanks for looking just the same.

Hey, if you want to do a remake of the Buffy Scythe we should see if we can get a machinist on board.
I have all the measurements for the Factory X POS version and know for a fact that they contractually make all their weapon prop re-makes 10% smaller than the originals.
Ever held their "Jack Sparrow Sword"? It barely fits into a normal sized hand! Their Slayer Scythe is the same, just a little smaller than it should be.
I've seen remakes that were spot on AND made improvements on how the stake is held in place, the type of wood used for it and used real leather for the handle wrap as apposed to the vynal crap, not to mention a good steel for the blade.

 

[jason1976]

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That would be so great. I don't konw any machinests though, but if we could find one. the fact that it would be true to scale, would make it different form the Factor X one, and maybe we could get away with doing a run. (a small one just for the boars.) but yess, their's is smaller then it should be, and heavy as hell. I would love to get the price down if we could pul something together, but even at the factory x price, this one would be a better value, do to propper size, and it being made of better stuff. I never see the really nice ones on the bay anymore, since Fatory X would probably go after them.

Even if we could pull together a small run of the blades, and the upper part (Where the blade attaches.) then I think most folks could come up with the rest of it themselves. (We may have to get the spikey, bladey, things by the stake machined too.)

 

[Mutant-Enemy]

Re: Help with identifying a Short Sword from Buffy the Vampire Slayer and other Weapo

Let me get with my friend Jay and see if we can come up with a proper CAD model for it, thats always the best way to start.
Jay is a HUGE Buffy Fan so, for this project, he's the "go-to Guy".
I'll let you know what he say's!

 

[Mutant-Enemy]

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Jay say's it shouldn't be a problem!
We are going to suss out the dimensions over the next week or so, so I'll keep you posted.

 

[Mutant-Enemy]

It's amazing to me that almost a year after starting this thread...
Just last night I stumbled onto the sword I've been looking for on E-Bay.
Pics when it arrives!