Has anyone else had an awful Anovos experience?

So please tell me how that is more advantageous than a company making improvements and thriving with consumers benefiting from that change.

How naive are you?! So you blindly believe that their excuse for their abysmal shipping times is that they "want to make sure our products are quality accurate". If they say it you believe it? Oh wait. That MUST be the reason. Because they would NEVER come out and say, "The reason we constantly break all of our shipping promises is because we're not paying our bills on time or our management is incompetent or we don't have enough staff or we're still waiting on our shipping boxes or etc, etc, etc." Surely whatever their public excuse (to save face) MUST be the truth, right?

Look, nobody WANTS them to go under. But when they TAKE people's money then constantly break their shipping times? Yes, it's time to shut it down.
If they don't want this backlash, don't accept pre-sales. Then you're not breaking any promises. You can ship whenever you damn well want and nobody can say jack.
Oh, you don't have enough capital to place orders without pre-sales?
Yeah, shut it down.
 
I have a vested interest in their survival. I like Star Trek. I like Marvel. I like props. I also believe change is possible. I do agree, they should discontinue with the practice of a pre-order BUT to play devils advocate, investing in prop replications where you're not looking to make a cheap chinese plastic toy sold at Walmart costs more money. Prior to making that investment, you'd want to know how many people actually want that item made. Asking people "Would you like..." will get you one answer. Asking the same question but requiring pre-payment will likely weed out a few until you arrive at your true number. So there can be a logic behind a pre-order instead of your theory that Anovos lacks sufficient cash reserves.
 
Asking the same question but requiring pre-payment will likely weed out a few until you arrive at your true number.
Take that same question and apply it to the companies that do not produce or hold peoples money hostage and you'll "likely weed out a few" companies that remain credible in values, products, open communication, shipping and to round it out as a whole, just plain good old fashioned quality assurance. Of those five things I just mentioned, how many does Anovos hold consistently?
 
DROP that mike Funky Fresh! :p

That’s pretty much it and all that needs to be said!!


If they don't want this backlash, don't accept pre-sales. Then you're not breaking any promises. You can ship whenever you damn well want and nobody can say jack.
Oh, you don't have enough capital to place orders without pre-sales?
Yeah, shut it down.
 
I just read the latest Anovos publication.

I retract my earlier comment, apparently the pre-order has nothing to do with weeding out the non-committed buyer.
 
And the latest news.......No more refunds after April 11, all sales final.
The Refund Issue - ANOVOS Productions LLC

That seems like the final nail in the coffin for Anovos. I don't know about anyone else, but none of these promised improvements make me want to hand pre-order money over to Anovos, Actually, I am less willing to do so now than before.

"The Golden Refund Rule", they make it sound like if a customer doesn't get what they paid for in a timely manner the right to a refund is a very rare and special privilege and a gift from Anovos.

I don't get it, how does people dropping out of a pre-order before production is complete cause the order size to shrink below the factories minimum? They are only securing enough units to fulfill pre-orders now? That makes it sound even worse, they are collecting people money a year or two in advance and not even using that money to pay for the units they are ordering from the factory until the job is done.

That's a dangerous game of "Rob Peter to Pay Paul" they are playing, what if things take a turn for the worse and they don't have enough pre-order money to pay the factory when the orders are complete?

Geeese, whoever is writing these letters should be stopped before they lose even more customer confidence for the company.
 
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They have turned into the Prop Nazis!

First it’s GIVE US YOUR MONEY, then NO PROPS FOR YOU!!

Wait a sec even the soup nazi gave you your money back.....
 
Yeah, the first two letters, pretty good. The third was a disaster, the fourth was a death knell. This viewpoint from a business management and business law grad with 20 years of running a business including a mail order that started from scratch, grew 4000 monthly customers, shipping to all 50 states and 27 countries within 5 years of starting.

OK, solution for the third letter. First, managers are your key people. They have to know everything about the operations they are in charge of and able to step in whenever needed. They HAVE to care about the business and allow the higher management / owners to direct and the company and product, leaving the operations in good trusted hands. Managers should be salaried, able to step in when ever and where ever, meaning they work overtime if needed, hence paid well. They have to enable those around them through good training and support. That includes training their lower grade employees to work in their place if needed but not to abuse or be abused by that option. That means when your company is behind in shipping, they not only supervise, they step in and work in the ranks as hard as needed.
Shipping, you don't speed up shipping by cutting shipping days and cutting key people. You do everything you can to get that product out the door as quickly as possible. With NO mistakes and immediate customer service if something goes wrong. All opposite of what they are doing and proposing now. Your customer relationship is EVERYTHING. You do whatever it takes to make their experience the best you can. You hire enough people, TRAIN THEM WELL, and ship how many ever days you have to to get out the product as quickly as it IS possible.

So, I waited close to about two years on my three Proton Packs. That is absolutely unacceptable. I was told repeatedly that they were shipping an they did not. Worse, I got shorted on parts and the reply to handle such was non existent. Other on the GB fan board were told that if they did not contact them within 30 days of purchase, they could not get replacement parts. After possible two years of waiting on the purchase for a product most would take a month or more to put together...

None of these new policies help improve what I and others went through, they make it worse.

Then there is the new refund policy or lack of...
They say they are making things worse and then add that funding policy, that transparent view they gave and then that policy is moronic. You cannot hang someone that long with a new disastrous slow shipping organization, and let them know the absolute risk and wait they are taking and expect orders to pour in. I was rooting for them and with these last two letters, I would not touch them with a ten foot pole. If it's not in stock and shipped within 30 days, I AM getting a refund from my credit card company now. That will not go over well for them if they repeated have this happen and have that service yanked or fees so high they cannot operate.

Either they have the proper funding and or they scale down and raise funds to do thing right and THEN, do every thing they can to right the public perception they have stabbed themselves in the back with. Customer relationship from the viewpoint of the customer is what they need to pursue. They showed they can get the product right, they have a good start for producing good products, REALLY streamline the process and qc and get the rest corrected now. Immediately. With good managers who will care and who will continue to need to care by ownership being like a loving good family atmosphere for them. Because moral that HAS TO SUCK there, it has to get turned around by being good to their shareholders first and ultimately stockholders. If your employees, licensees, suppliers and management are not happy, those shareholder will ultimately kill the stockholders standing.

If AVONOS ownership cannot see this, they should have a consultant come in, observe and map it out so they understand and can change things for the better. Those last two letters prove they don't have the perspective they need to turn it around.
 
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Well said, Trip.
Clearly they are in over their heads.
It almost seems to me that whoever’s in charge over there isn’t taking this business seriously and treating it more like a hobby.
“Eh, if it fails, it fails. No biggie.”
 
Yeah, the first two letters, pretty good. The third was a disaster, the fourth was a death knell. This viewpoint from a business management and business law grad with 20 years of running a business including a mail order that started from scratch, grew 4000 monthly customers, shipping to all 50 states and 27 countries within 5 years of starting.

As someone with next to no experience in business, even I could see this.

Is this new refund policy of theirs even legal considering they've changed the terms? I was willing to tolerate the long wait for the stuff I ordered, as I was quite happy with some stuff I received from them in the past. However, now I want nothing more than my money back for the stuff I ordered two years ago as these recent letters have done nothing but made me terrified I just lost $800. If I understand their new policy correctly, I wouldn't be able to request a refund.

The only path forward is one where all sales are final effective April 11, 2019. We will continue to honor any existing refund requests made prior to this policy change as business permits, and will still consider future refunds for customers after a product is in-stock and ready to ship, but only on a case-by-case review.
 
Credit card companies enforce their own rules on collection for non shipped items. Every person using a credit card should review that fine print. They can save them selves for up to multiple months on many purchases depending on the cc company as well state laws, another benefit of certain memberships. But in this case, I would not let my purchase with ANOVOS approach any further than a week or two before that imposed legal credit deadline. Anovos can say any policy it wants, the credit companies will reverse those fees and if abused will raise or revoke the banking rights wholly.
 
I got my BSG pins from them, and I love them! positive experience, but that seems like forever ago though...They saw opportunities by acquiring new licenses, but their eyes were obviously bigger than their stomachs. I'm curious what the people who have worked there say, but judging by their emails it doesn't seem like many people do work there. I just want my Rey Staff. :/
 
Credit card companies enforce their own rules on collection for non shipped items. Every person using a credit card should review that fine print. They can save them selves for up to multiple months on many purchases depending on the cc company as well state laws, another benefit of certain memberships. But in this case, I would not let my purchase with ANOVOS approach any further than a week or two before that imposed legal credit deadline. Anovos can say any policy it wants, the credit companies will reverse those fees and if abused will raise or revoke the banking rights wholly.


I think you can safely give it up to 3 months, but after that credit card protection is probably not an option.
However, social medial is. They won't get away with ripping people off without everyone who is interested noticing.

The worse they treat their customers the more everyone will know about it. Basically, now a days if you continue to treat your customers poorly you are digging your own grave.

I am surprised anyone at all trusts them anymore after reading their BBB history, they clearly don't give a damn what people think.

I am concerned-that the rest of A-NO-Go's employees will read these letters and see between the lines and start jumping ship. I know I would.

After the first 2 letters it seems like the senior manager writing these letters has started to snap. Lashing back and getting pre-emptively defensive and all.
 
New Update, Star Trek: Discovery Hand Phaser (Fulfillment Update) - ANOVOS Productions LLC

I'm in wave 5 so basically, they pushed mine out another 6 months, (shipping in waves through October 2019), that doesn't include the stands, they are still being manufactured and won't start shipping until September at the earliest so I probably won't get that for another year or so.

Of course, there is nothing keeping them from pushing it out even further than that.

I am relieved to find out all these delays are because their shipping staff is only part-time and they only ship 2 days a week, I thought it would be for some really ridiculous reason!
 
That’s being covered over on the Anovos thread in the Star Wars costumes and props forum ;)
 
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