Harrmy's Star Wars Despecialized 2.5

The reason Lucas didn't allow a restored original theatrical release of Star Wars is that he just didn't LIKE the original theatrical release. His attitude even in 1977 was one of near-embarrassment toward it. He wants it destroyed.

One of my main contentions with the SE is the swapping of so many charismatic history-making motion-control shots for non-history-making, ten-a-penny cgi replacements. For that, we actually have Dennis Muren to blame, who apparently suggested this deeply bad idea to Lucas and pushed for the mess of visual inconsistency which is now the Death Star end battle - in the process throwing large quantities of his own most historically important contributions to cinematography into the void (although perhaps he would've thought twice if he'd known Lucas would later bury the original version in the way he has).

It's this - this idiotic erasing of history which is unacceptable.
 
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I've always found it hard to buy GL's insistence that the original SW was such a disappointment. I felt it was simply his way of promoting the SE franchise which is clearly more lucrative for him. The first SW movie was tightly and rapidly edited owing a lot to Kurosawa's breakneck, kinetically-charged editing of Seven Samurai. Granted, some of the gratuitous short cuts may have been due to a lack of available footage but the end result works. The added SE bits just confound the pacing and distract from the principle action. How can he not see that? Seriously.
 
The reason Lucas didn't allow a restored original theatrical release of Star Wars is that he just didn't LIKE the original theatrical release. His attitude even in 1977 was one of near-embarrassment toward it. He wants it destroyed.

One of my main contentions with the SE is the swapping of so many charismatic history-making motion-control shots for non-history-making, ten-a-penny cgi replacements. For that, we actually have Dennis Muren to blame, who apparently suggested this deeply bad idea to Lucas and pushed for the mess of visual inconsistency which is now the Death Star end battle - in the process throwing large quantities of his own most historically important contributions to cinematography into the void (although perhaps he would've thought twice if he'd known Lucas would later bury the original version in the way he has).

It's this - this idiotic erasing of history which is unacceptable.

It's an understandable situation. As a music major in college with an emphasis on composition, I was always totally embarrassed and ashamed of the music I wrote and had to perform/conduct. But everyone else loved it. Tchaikovsky HATED the nutcracker. It was the piece he was most ashamed of, yet it's his best known work. Sometimes, you just gotta realize that the only reason you don't like it is because you created it. you are, after all, your worst critic.

PS I downloaded it and watched it yesterday. AMAZING. I haven't seen the original version since I was in highschool (1993) and had the VHS copies.
 
One of my main contentions with the SE is the swapping of so many charismatic history-making motion-control shots for non-history-making, ten-a-penny cgi replacements. For that, we actually have Dennis Muren to blame, who apparently suggested this deeply bad idea to Lucas and pushed for the mess of visual inconsistency which is now the Death Star end battle - in the process throwing large quantities of his own most historically important contributions to cinematography into the void (although perhaps he would've thought twice if he'd known Lucas would later bury the original version in the way he has).

It's this - this idiotic erasing of history which is unacceptable.

Without those first steps you mentioned he wouldn't have even been able to do the SE's, or anything else for that matter. He so revolutionized movie-making that we would not be where we are today, technologically speaking, without him. They still did the work, they continue to get credit for it, and it's in large part still there. So saying the SE's erased history just because Lucas tinkered with the originals is over-dramatic, naive and, quite frankly, asinine.
 
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Without those first steps you mentioned he wouldn't have even been able to do the SE's, or anything else for that matter. He so revolutionized movie-making that we would not be where we are today, technologically speaking, without him. They still did the work, they continue to get credit for it, and it's in large part still there. So saying the SE's erased history just because Lucas tinkered with the originals is over-dramatic, naive and, quite frankly, asinine.

Steady on. Of course it's not 'asinine' to say history is being erased. You yourself can only point to the work being 'there' only in 'large part'. Obviously, posterity will always record that SW and its crew made history, but precisely HOW will be obscured if Lucas' SEs are the only surviving records of the film 40 years from now. In that sense the historical record is being damaged. If the original IS around 40 years from now, it will be no thanks to the current attitude of Lucas, but to people like Harmy.

Take this issue of the end battle. Officially, since the withdrawal of the 2006 low-res dvd, tons of X-wing/TIE motion-control shots are simply unavailable. There are no plans to make them available again. How, then, is the precise achievement of ILM in 1977 to be ascertained by future historians? Fortunately, fans will provide. But if Lucas had his way, the historical record of what SW was in 1977 would have disappeared from the public eye.
 
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I've always found it hard to buy GL's insistence that the original SW was such a disappointment. I felt it was simply his way of promoting the SE franchise which is clearly more lucrative for him. The first SW movie was tightly and rapidly edited owing a lot to Kurosawa's breakneck, kinetically-charged editing of Seven Samurai. Granted, some of the gratuitous short cuts may have been due to a lack of available footage but the end result works. The added SE bits just confound the pacing and distract from the principle action. How can he not see that? Seriously.

Having read contemporary accounts of his disappointment at the end of production in 1977, I do buy his sincerity on this. As for why he can't see the damage he's done in the SEs... well, this goes for so many other directors in their, ahem, autumn years - look at Scorsese, a master filmmaker in his youth but who now makes endless errors in taste, same with Ridley Scott...
 
It was how hard they had to work to overcome the limitations of the current technology that made the original Star Wars so great.
 
It was how hard they had to work to overcome the limitations of the current technology that made the original Star Wars so great.

It made a lot of films better. Jaws is a perfect example, if Bruce was working properly you would have seen the shark throughout the film but since he wasn't we got the suspenseful drama we know and love today.
 
I can understand wanting to showcase your own true vision. However,

A) Lucas' true vision, from what I can tell, isn't very interesting to me. I think the Prequels are far closer to what he wanted to do, without any limitations, and I just don't find them particularly interesting or entertaining films. I feel the same way about the second two Matrix films. They just aren't interesting or entertaining to me.

B) It's one thing to want to show off your vision now that you can. It's another thing entirely to try to SUPPRESS what you did before. And let's not mince words here -- that's what Lucas tried to do. He didn't offer restored versions of his old stuff alongside his new stuff and say "So, if you thought THAT was great, wait until you see what we updated! You're gonna love it!" He said "That was crap. I'm not going to touch it any more. What you loved was a crap product that I don't want you to see anymore." I actually think that, at least by the end of his time owning LucasFilm, if he could've waived his hand and magically eliminated all previous versions of the OT....he'd have done it. I mean, like, if he could nuke your VHS and LD copies, alongside all your fan preservations and the old film copies being maintained for posterity...he'd have done it. I don't think he WANTS people to see his old version. Or at least, I think that was the case until he finally just said "Screw it. I'm moving on with my life."
 
Who knows maybe if Disney hadn't bought star wars we might have gotten this:


:lol :lol :lol

Hey, me too!

In fact, for me, nothing after 1980 exists.

yet here you are, using modern computers, the internet... ;) :lol
 
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I always looked at the Special Editions as George trying to distance the movies from the contributions that his wife Marcia brought. Since she was an editor of the first movie and their divorce in the 80s brought upon some bitterness out of George ("Willie" from Temple of Doom) it's not hard to see her editing choices being changed for the sake of not being reminded. I mean, if you believe what Lucas says about Greedo shooting first always being in the script, than the editing where Han simply shoots him dead was probably her idea. I don't think he's happy with people watching "his" movie knowing that those cool moments were mostly her idea.
 
if you believe what Lucas says about Greedo shooting first always being in the script, than the editing where Han simply shoots him dead was probably her idea.

I had never thought about that. You may be on to something there.
 
I always looked at the Special Editions as George trying to distance the movies from the contributions that his wife Marcia brought. Since she was an editor of the first movie and their divorce in the 80s brought upon some bitterness out of George ("Willie" from Temple of Doom) it's not hard to see her editing choices being changed for the sake of not being reminded. I mean, if you believe what Lucas says about Greedo shooting first always being in the script, than the editing where Han simply shoots him dead was probably her idea. I don't think he's happy with people watching "his" movie knowing that those cool moments were mostly her idea.
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Which would also help explain why he sold the company after finally remarrying. It's like he finally just let go of all of the past and decided to just move on. If Star Wars and the sequels (and prequels) were as emotional a journey as I'm guessing they were, and if a large part of that emotional connection was a sense of frustration and bitterness connected to the failed marriage with Marcia, then it'd be understandable that he might just want to set that universe aside and focus elsewhere in his life.

Although I also think that the public backlash against the prequels and KOTCS probably really stung for the guy, and might also have contributed to his sense of "Screw this. I'm moving on."
 
Yeah, I distinctly remember him saying in an interview "Why do it anymore? The fans hate everything I do." Which is kind of sad. Yeah, he did a lot of things wrong but let's face it, he started it all and for the fans to just constantly bash him must be hard to take. Sometimes I feel a little sorry for him.



As he laughs himself to the bank......
 
Between 1977 and 1980 GL still envisioned himself building on the franchise but, by 1980, I got the sense he was creatively and emotionally done with SW. By then he had already had promised 3 prequels and 3 sequels.

I don't believe that he had planned for a series from the start. Even though he's stated otherwise, I take press statements with a grain of salt and regard them in context. I recall one inspiration for SW being some of the serial adventures where most viewers started in the middle of an ongoing storyline. GL wanted to recreate some of that in SW with an assault of information and little exposition. I believe he accepted that SW would likely be a single film.

When SW unexpectedly exploded his immediate reaction was to ride this franchise, and that's when he started spitballing ideas about prequels and sequels. He didn't expect to get burnt out by the second movie around 1980. I estimate 1980 only because ROTJ was so conceptually different from his initial version (and the treatment was so bad, IMO) that I sensed he just wanted to wrap it up in a warm-fuzzy happy ending. In order to do so he discarded thematic arcs in favor of a traditional Hollywood ending. Some of us, including me, saw the film as a sell-out (but that's a different discussion).

So then GL walked away from the trilogy but the fans were relentless and wanted more. Heck, we browbeat the man for over 15 years before he relented and gave us The Phantom Menace in 1999. GL infused the film with ideas that he's had, and I'm sure he expected to be celebrated for rolling up his sleeves and bringing SW back to life. Besides, it was also a priceless opportunity to showcase ILM so it was a win-win situation in his eyes. (I have no evidence for this, but I also feel that he knew ROTJ was crap and figured that, if we liked ROTJ, then we'd love PM.)

What he didn't expect was to be jeered or criticized for PM. From a public that once LOVED and lauded Lucas as a visionary the reception must've been heartbreaking. I feel for the man. I actually felt that PM wasn't as bad as some people think - there were sparks of originality that were promising.

Still, the essence missing from PM was the energy of a young GL who had meticulous personal attention to many details of SW (and, yes, I know GL owes a lot to many nameless creative forces for SW, too).

By 1999 GL was an older man and, with more money and resources at hand, he could delegate responsibilities. Let's face it, the creative force and tenacity of a promising young filmmaker is impossible to sustain forever, and it shows in The Phantom Menace.

So now he's committed to doing another trilogy which will likely be (and was) torn apart be critics and fanboys alike. Of course he buries himself into the effects and half-asses the rest of the story (IMO).

The man never wanted to come back to SW. He thought he would please the fans by starting the prequels. Maybe he really needed the ego boost. He didn't expect to go from guru to golem overnight. The man has gone through the ringer in his personal and public life. Now the poor guy just has all his multimillions to keep him company.

The original SW was a powerful creative statement in its time. For the public, after decades of repeated viewing, that vision will never die. How ironic that GL is probably the one person on the planet who lost lost that vision.

I don't regret him returning to do the prequels or even tinkering with the originals. But I do wish he could respect the original work that started this entire journey and literally changed lives (including mine). It means that much to me.

That's my take on it, anyway.
 
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I agree. Tinker all you like. Make all the sequels you like. But don't suppress the thing that got you started, however flawed it is in your mind.
 
I'm going to sound like a dumb ass here, but i've downloaded all 37 parts...i extracted them all with Jzip....VLC Player happily plays the finished 2.5, but how do i burn this to a BD so i can play it on my Bluray player????

Thanks

Sheepish Rich
 
The file is not an ISO.
Rich, do you have a BD burner? Regular DVD burner won't work.
 
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