FORBIDDEN PLANET Uniforms...?

Well... nobody's asked for this, but I did it... and it's not doing anyone any good just sitting on my hard drive. So here it is.

Most of the ranks and the characters they belong to are obvious to anyone who's seen the film: Commander, Ship's Surgeon and Lieutenant belong to the characters of Adams (Leslie Nielsen), Ostrow (Warren Stevens) and Farman (Jack Kelly). The Crewman 1st Class patch is worn by the extras and the few "crewman" speaking parts in the film; the moon-shaped 2nd Class patch is worn by Cookie (Earl Holliman), the ship's cook, and no one else as far as I can see.

The remaining two noncom ranks don't come from the script, but are purely conjectural based on clues. The Bosun (George Wallace) is in charge of all the crewmembers, so I decided he was probably a CPO. (Bosun, or boatswain, isn't a formal rank as such, being a holdover from early merchant marine vessels, so it's being used in FP as a traditional, informal title, much the same way as first officers on Star Trek are referred to as Number One). Chief Quinn (Richard Anderson) is the head engineer, and noncommissioned technical leads in the Navy are usually warrant officers, so that's where that came from.

Enough jawing. Here's the graphic:
Sorry to bump this old thread, but RobertDay over on All Sci-Fi suggested that the crescent symbol was an old WW II symbol for “commissary” in the US Navy, which would make sense since Cookie appears to be the only member of the crew seen wearing it.

His thoughts on the ranks are near the bottom of this page.
 
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Well... nobody's asked for this, but I did it... and it's not doing anyone any good just sitting on my hard drive. So here it is.

Most of the ranks and the characters they belong to are obvious to anyone who's seen the film: Commander, Ship's Surgeon and Lieutenant belong to the characters of Adams (Leslie Nielsen), Ostrow (Warren Stevens) and Farman (Jack Kelly). The Crewman 1st Class patch is worn by the extras and the few "crewman" speaking parts in the film; the moon-shaped 2nd Class patch is worn by Cookie (Earl Holliman), the ship's cook, and no one else as far as I can see.

The remaining two noncom ranks don't come from the script, but are purely conjectural based on clues. The Bosun (George Wallace) is in charge of all the crewmembers, so I decided he was probably a CPO. (Bosun, or boatswain, isn't a formal rank as such, being a holdover from early merchant marine vessels, so it's being used in FP as a traditional, informal title, much the same way as first officers on Star Trek are referred to as Number One). Chief Quinn (Richard Anderson) is the head engineer, and noncommissioned technical leads in the Navy are usually warrant officers, so that's where that came from.

Enough jawing. Here's the graphic:

Bosun IS a RATING not a rank. Bosuns are still used by both the US Navy and the Royal Navy. They are the senior CPO of a ship.

According to Walt Plunkett's notes the cook was a 3rd class crewman; the 4 with the visible circles were 2nd class crewmen; and Chief Quinn was a Chief Petty Officer NOT a Warrant Officer. (Warrent officers are specialists who rarely go on missions but are assigned to bases.)

It's not very clear on any of the photos but the Bosun has crossed light blue anchors inside the red circle. Chief Quinn has a light blue lightning bolt inside his medium blue broken circle. The 4 crewmen with the circles (which are light blue) have a small light blue target reticle. The cook's crescent moon is also light blue.

You cannot see them very well unless you see the movie on a LARGE theater screen — which I did with my goddaughter did last Spring at the Cinerama Theatre in Seattle.
 
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A Further Clarification On The Ranks

Clandestiny was very close, but didn’t have the colors correct and did not have the advantage of Walt Plunkett’s notes.

Here is the color corrected version of the graphic:

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Mr. Plunkett (an Oscar winner for Gone With The Wind) listed the ranks this way:

United Planet Federal Services

Space Patrol and/or Stellar Survey

Space Marshal
Admiral
Commodore
Captain
Commander
Lieutenant
Ensign

Midshipman

Master Chief Petty Officer
Chief Petty Officer
Petty Officer First Class
Petty Officer Second Class

Spaceman Able
Spaceman Apprentice
Spaceman Recruit


Space Rangers and/or Hegemonic Guard

Sky Marshal
General
Colonel
Major
Captain
Lieutenant
Subaltern

(In the British Army subaltern was the junior rank in the cavalry.)

Cadet

Fleet Sergeant
Ship’s Sergeant
Sergeant
Corporal

Private First Class
Trained private
Recruit Private

It seems as if some of this was used — Commander, Lieutenant, etc. — in Forbidden Planet and — Colonel, Major, Lieutenant — in The Twilight Zone. It also seems that they may have inspired Robert A. Heinlein for Starship Troopers — or it may be the other way around as they were friends.

Clandestiny stated that he thought that “Chief Quinn” meant that he was a Warrant Officer. Not so. Mr. Plunkett didn’t list any warrant ranks.

In the United States military — which Mr. Plunkett would be most familiar with — the rank of warrant officer (grade W-1 to CW-5) is rated as an officer above the senior-most enlisted ranks, as well as officer cadets and candidates, but below the officer grade of O-1 (NATO: OF-1). Warrant officers are highly skilled, single-track specialty officers, and while the ranks are authorized by Congress, each branch of the uniformed services selects, manages, and utilizes warrant officers in slightly different ways. For appointment to warrant officer one (W-1), a warrant is approved by the secretary of the respective service. For chief warrant officer ranks (W-2 to W-5), warrant officers are commissioned by the President of the United States and take the same oath as regular commissioned officers (O-1 to O-10).

Warrant officers can and do occasionally command detachments, units, activities, vessels, aircraft, and armored vehicles as well as lead, coach, train, and counsel subordinates — but only when commissioned officers are unavailable. However, the warrant officer's primary task as a leader is to serve as a technical expert, providing valuable skills, guidance, and expertise to commanders and organizations in their particular field.

He also stated that “Bosun” (or "boatswain" or "bos'n") was not a rank at all. He’s both right and wrong. (There are two levels: boatswain and his junior, boatswain’s mate.)

The rank of boatswain was until recently the oldest rank in the Royal Navy, and its origins can be traced back to the year 1040. In that year, when five English ports began furnishing warships to King Edward the Confessor in exchange for certain privileges, they also furnished crews whose officers were the master, boatswain, carpenter and cook. Later these officers were "warranted" by the British Admiralty. They maintained and sailed the ships and were the standing officers of the navy.

The Royal Navy's last official boatswain, Commander E. W. Andrew, OBE, retired in 1990.

The boatswain works in a ship's deck department as the foreman of the deck crew. Sometimes, the boatswain is also a third or fourth mate on merchant vessels. A bosun must be highly skilled in all matters of marlinespike seamanship required for working on deck of a seagoing vessel. The bosun is distinguished from other able seamen by the supervisory roles: planning, scheduling, and assigning work.

As deck crew foreman, the boatswain plans the day's work and assigns tasks to the deck crew. As work is completed, the boatswain checks on completed work for compliance with approved operating procedures.

These are job or what the Navy calls ratings. For example a Fireman in the navy may be as low as a Seaman Apprentice or may be as high as a Master Chief Petty Officer — which designates the rank they hold.
 
This info comes from when I was at the M-G-M auction and paid $50.00 for 15 boxes labeled “Production Notes — Miscellaneous Pictures”. I have found gems about many movies in them.

Here are 3 portions of the chart of US Navy Rates from 1943. It illustrates the origins of the insignia used.

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The Krell probably DID have multiple arms. Here is the “library”:

KrellLibrary.jpg


Here is a close-up of the controls and screen:

KrellLibraryControlsClose-Up.jpg


The smaller set are designed for a palm about the same width as a human’s palm (AND Morbius used one to turn on/off the “library”) the larger set set for a considerably wider palm.

BONUS!

A very rare Technicolor™ still of Morbius’ house!

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MEMBERS: Please do not respond until the admins move this to the correct place.)


Proof That There Was A Confrontation!

Here is proof that they planned a confrontation between Dr. Morbius and his Id! These are very rare pictures, indeed. These are found in A. Arnold Gillespie's book The Wizard of MGM.

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GillespieIdConfrontsMorbiusBottom.jpg


Bonus!

A SFX set-up plan for the Id’s-eye-view approach to the ship when it went up the gangway and murdered Chief Quinn:

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Robert,

I haven't been back to the RPF for a long time, and I was shocked and delighted that my little contribution got picked up on. I'm also thrilled to see the correction to my graphic, and the unexpected appearance of the Plunkett notes.

As you say, I was flying pretty much by the seat of my pants when I turned out the original graphic. My notes about the viability of naval ratings were based, I heartily admit, by what little I could scrounge on the 'net, since my personal knowledge of such things is limited (for "limited," of course, read "practically nonexistent." :) )

To sum up: very cool!
 
Sorry but there are aspects of the original screen used uniforms that most CosPlayers are unwilling to use, such as the "dancer's belt" that all of the shirts had.
 
Sorry but there are aspects of the original screen used uniforms that most CosPlayers are unwilling to use, such as the "dancer's belt" that all of the shirts had.

Uhh, what are you saying??? What are CosPlayers and what do you mean by "dancers belt"?
 
A CosPlayer is one who engages in CosPlay — "Costume Play". THis is where the person not only creates or recreates a particular costume from a movie or TV show (most deal with anime — Japanese animation — although some are from TV commercials such as Frankenberry or Speedy Alka-Seltzer). More information at Cosplay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A Dancer's Belt (not to be confused with a Dance Belt used primarily in ballet) is a strip of reinforced cloth from the front to the back of a shirt or tunic. In Forbidden Planet it was used in the Class A Uniforms (the ones with the horizontal striped tubes in front) to keep them looking trim and snug against the body. If not built right (movie and TV costumers make them to fit the actor) they can be quite painful. They are rarely comfortable.
 
I was watching George Pal's Time Machine and noticed they re-used the costumes and a few props.
Costumes where used in the scene where the atomic bombs drop causing the volcanoes to erupt and covered the traveler.
 
I've got a bunch of close up's from a display. let me see if I can find them...
 
Last year there was the Oscar™ event called Mysteries of the Krell. The part with Robby can be seen on YouTube™ starting at Robbie the Robot part 1 - YouTube

In part 6 Bill Malone tells a story about how they melted the door to the Krell lab using a very dangerous piece of zirconium metal. (He also mentions that it was a 3 foot-square piece.)

He was only partly correct. What A. Arnold Gillespie was referring to was not the standard zirconium familiar to those who use it most today. He was not referring to nuclear grade zirconium which is used in nuclear reactors (as Zircaloy 2 or Zircaloy 4) nor was he referring to the element. (Zirconium: symbol Zr, atomic number 40 and atomic mass of 91.224. It is mainly used as a refractory and opacifier, although it is used in small amounts as an alloying agent for its strong resistance to corrosion.)

What he was referring to was an alloy of zirconium and zinc which is found in magnesium alloys used in plane, car and spacecraft construction. Zirconium is used to lower the metal grain size, increasing the metal’s hardness.
 
Greetings to All,
Stryker here with a few comments to add: Robert, Your picture is of the Fyberdyne Guys with Leman Yeun as the cook. Having gotten a VERY close look @ an original that the late Jerry Neeley owned (James Drury's pants and the jacket worn by Jerry Farman and it had the hole in the back for the flying harness used when the "Monster from the Id" picked him up. Sonofagun, You need to put shoulder pads inside the jacket. The other thing I noticed was that originally, the "Collar" was held in place by a snap on each flap and one on the back. Also check the shape of the centre back of the collaras it had a pronounced dip there. There was also a zipper up one side of kthe v shaped ribbing. It was a separating coat zipper. According to an phone interview I did a few years ago with Bill Malone, the front flaps were originally to act as a pocket cover. You see this, somewhat , in the film when during the first interview w/ Morbius, Jerry Farman pulls out a small prop from under his left front should flap. (Anyone know what that looked like?) Bill also told me that gloves were to be worn with that particular outfit.
The silver verson of the outfit that was seen in G. Pal's "The Time Machine" was originally to be worn by the crew when unshipping the drive in order to contact "Earthbase", but for what ever reason was not used in "FP". BTW, the "Ball cap" had an extended length bill. If I can help out any further, let me know:D,
Cheers,
Stryker
 
… According to an phone interview I did a few years ago with Bill Malone, the front flaps were originally to act as a pocket cover.

You see this, somewhat , in the film when during the first interview w/ Morbius, Jerry Farman pulls out a small prop from under his left front should flap. (Anyone know what that looked like?) Bill also told me that gloves were to be worn with that particular outfit.

The silver verson of the outfit that was seen in G. Pal's The Time Machine was originally to be worn by the crew when un-shipping the drive in order to contact "Earthbase", but for what ever reason was not used in "FP". BTW, the "Ball cap" had an extended length bill. If I can help out any further, let me know. …

I have the prop 'reader'. I'm currently in hospital but when I get home I'll take pictures, scan them then post them. (BTW I have originals of ALL of the hand props used.)

The reason that the silver suits from The Time Machine were not used as they originally designed as a spacesuit and the budget was slashed. They tried for a simpler suit (2-piece instead of 1-piece) that mimicked the main Class A uniform but was made in 2 styles — long trousers and shorts. Outside of Les Nielsen in wardrobe test pics no others were made.

There was a brown version of the Class A uniform and 4 brown versions of the Class B uniforms made. These later showed up in The Twilight Zone episodes Death Ship and On Thursday We Leave For Home.

The production notes (I bought 5 boxes of these at the 1970 M-G-M auction covering around 30 movies) state that Walt Plunkett considered the grey uniforms the Stellar Patrol and the brown uniforms Space Rangers. (Plunkett was a huge fan of Andre Norton.)
 
There was a brown version of the Class A uniform and 4 brown versions of the Class B uniforms made. These later showed up in The Twilight Zone episodes Death Ship and On Thursday We Leave For Home.

The production notes (I bought 5 boxes of these at the 1970 M-G-M auction covering around 30 movies) state that Walt Plunkett considered the grey uniforms the Stellar Patrol and the brown uniforms Space Rangers. (Plunkett was a huge fan of Andre Norton.)[/QUOTE]

It sounds like Mr. Plunkett woulde get along well w/ us as jaqui and I are big fans of the late Andre......and She was a sweetheart:cry
I sent You a Private Message, and hope You will give us a call. Again, Get well soon
Larry and Jaquii
 
Time to bump this thread to the top. I'm in the middle a FP uniform for Comic-Con in 3 weeks! I should say my wife is. She's a master costumer modifying a military uniform pattern and 50's pants. We have some great reference photos (I'll post some below) but I'm looking for anybody who knows the actual dimensions of the belt, belt buckle, or those clear boxes of electronic parts???

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