SVTStingRay
Sr Member
alien3 had so much in terms of bad scripting, where do you begin. the story was worked and worked and even fincher couldnt fix it.
First watch: Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection
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Scareb
Sr Member
You make some valid points. Even the Narcissus had equipment like weapons (axes and the spear/harpoon gun), food, space suit along with the hyped sleep chamber. From what I remember the Sulaco's EEV had none of it.
As for bishop wanting to be shut down, I can't remember but had the Xeno possibly shown up at that point? If so, maybe he knows what's coming (blood and death) and doesn't want to be around to witness it. If it's the whole out dated model bit, yeah that's just dumb.
Bishop: Do me a favor. Disconnect me. I could be reworked, but I’ll never be top of the line again. I’d rather be nothing.
Not quite the same Bishop as before, right?
Bishop: I'll go. I'm the only one qualified to remote pilot the ship anyway.
Hudson: Yeah, right man. Bishop should go. Good idea!
Bishop: Believe me, I prefer not to. I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid.
Master Dahark
Well-Known Member
'I don't think you wanna know me. I'm a murderer and rapist of women.'
^One of the more likable characters from Alien 3. How messed up is that??
^One of the more likable characters from Alien 3. How messed up is that??
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
Yeah, you seriously just wanted all of them to die horrible deaths.
Really no one likeable except the doc and he was offed pretty quickly and we were left with scum.
SSgt Burton
Sr Member
Alien 3 was a disaster before they even started filming. Essentially the movie began with a release date- no script, no cast etc (and Weaver really wanted no part of it).
Weaver agreed to do the film so long as she would finally be killed off as she was sick of playing the Ripley character (funny that she changed her mind for A:Res; I guess money truly does "talk" :rolleyes).
One of the film's original scripts (there were several) was about a planet (more like a large asteroid) made entierly of wood (no joke here) inhabited by a colony of all male monks who have chosen to leave their homeworld and live on this man-made planet.
The interior would look like a 18th Century chapel with a ceiling hundreds of feet high (the opening of the film was meant to give you the impression you were in the past instead of the future). One "Monk" begins climbing an incredibly tall ladder to a trap door in the ceiling, going out onto the "roof".
Outside there is a small lake, and the clouds are actually only ten feet above the ground. The Monk stands up on pedastal (or rock) and literally "sticks his head through and above the clouds", now looking out into outer space... revealling that this is not in fact the past, and not even Earth!
The Monk sees a streaming light headed towards the wood-planet (the EEV on a collision course). The EEV crashes in the lake, the Monks recover Ripley... and awaaaaaay we go!
So this script had so much nonsensical science (a planet sized object made entirely of wood, with its own atmosphere that is only 15 to 20 feet thick) that it was rejected. The script was reworked and instead of Monks, we got prisoners who have "found God" at the hind end of space.
There were some paralles that were retained-
At one point the alien hides in a giant corn field. The Monks go out to find/kill it and there are some "Jaws" like shots of the alien's tail sticking above the corn speeding towards men it attacks. As a last ditch effort the Monks set the corn field on fire, however the fire roars out of control killing more monks than the alien would have (much like the plan to set the corridors on fire in the film).
The bowels of the planet contain the only machinery the Monks allow including a glass producing furnace/factory. The climax of the script has the alien being covered in molten glass, but still alive until it is doused with water- the glass cools, shrinks, hardens and shatters killing the alien. We got a lead works instead.
Ripley also has the Queenburster in her chest, so in order for the Company to not get its hands on it, Ripley calmly walks into the still on fire corn field killing herself.
Yeah.
Anyway the script was reworked so much the writer (Vincent Ward) quit.
This film went through so many problems it is amazing it was actually finished. In the end the hack job that ended up in theaters was horrid (and I'm not talking about the "story" so much as the editing). Characters would disappear from the film without explanation. For instance Golic is last seen with Ripley in the infirmary and is "just gone" afterward.
In fact there was an entire sequnce cut from the film in which the prisoners successfully trap the alien in a vault. They've won! The alien is no longer a threat and they just have to wait for the Company to arrive...
However Golic is truly insane: he believes the alien is "God" and it is his duty to set it free, and then "with its help" find and kill Ripley. Golic murders the prisoner standing guard at the vault, opens the door and releases the alien which of course kills him immediately. This sequence was restored for the "Director's Cut" of the film explaning "what happened to Golic?".
Personally I'm able to watch the Director's Cut version of A3 and enjoy it for what it is. I actually think the Alien series should have been left as a trilogy with Ripley finally meeting her end (as a final sacrifice for mankind). For me the end of A3 was fitting and powerful.
A:Res is nothing more than another space-monster action film. Except now Ripley has superpowers. Really? :rolleyes
Kevin
Weaver agreed to do the film so long as she would finally be killed off as she was sick of playing the Ripley character (funny that she changed her mind for A:Res; I guess money truly does "talk" :rolleyes).
One of the film's original scripts (there were several) was about a planet (more like a large asteroid) made entierly of wood (no joke here) inhabited by a colony of all male monks who have chosen to leave their homeworld and live on this man-made planet.
The interior would look like a 18th Century chapel with a ceiling hundreds of feet high (the opening of the film was meant to give you the impression you were in the past instead of the future). One "Monk" begins climbing an incredibly tall ladder to a trap door in the ceiling, going out onto the "roof".
Outside there is a small lake, and the clouds are actually only ten feet above the ground. The Monk stands up on pedastal (or rock) and literally "sticks his head through and above the clouds", now looking out into outer space... revealling that this is not in fact the past, and not even Earth!
The Monk sees a streaming light headed towards the wood-planet (the EEV on a collision course). The EEV crashes in the lake, the Monks recover Ripley... and awaaaaaay we go!
So this script had so much nonsensical science (a planet sized object made entirely of wood, with its own atmosphere that is only 15 to 20 feet thick) that it was rejected. The script was reworked and instead of Monks, we got prisoners who have "found God" at the hind end of space.
There were some paralles that were retained-
At one point the alien hides in a giant corn field. The Monks go out to find/kill it and there are some "Jaws" like shots of the alien's tail sticking above the corn speeding towards men it attacks. As a last ditch effort the Monks set the corn field on fire, however the fire roars out of control killing more monks than the alien would have (much like the plan to set the corridors on fire in the film).
The bowels of the planet contain the only machinery the Monks allow including a glass producing furnace/factory. The climax of the script has the alien being covered in molten glass, but still alive until it is doused with water- the glass cools, shrinks, hardens and shatters killing the alien. We got a lead works instead.
Ripley also has the Queenburster in her chest, so in order for the Company to not get its hands on it, Ripley calmly walks into the still on fire corn field killing herself.
Yeah.
Anyway the script was reworked so much the writer (Vincent Ward) quit.
This film went through so many problems it is amazing it was actually finished. In the end the hack job that ended up in theaters was horrid (and I'm not talking about the "story" so much as the editing). Characters would disappear from the film without explanation. For instance Golic is last seen with Ripley in the infirmary and is "just gone" afterward.
In fact there was an entire sequnce cut from the film in which the prisoners successfully trap the alien in a vault. They've won! The alien is no longer a threat and they just have to wait for the Company to arrive...
However Golic is truly insane: he believes the alien is "God" and it is his duty to set it free, and then "with its help" find and kill Ripley. Golic murders the prisoner standing guard at the vault, opens the door and releases the alien which of course kills him immediately. This sequence was restored for the "Director's Cut" of the film explaning "what happened to Golic?".
Personally I'm able to watch the Director's Cut version of A3 and enjoy it for what it is. I actually think the Alien series should have been left as a trilogy with Ripley finally meeting her end (as a final sacrifice for mankind). For me the end of A3 was fitting and powerful.
A:Res is nothing more than another space-monster action film. Except now Ripley has superpowers. Really? :rolleyes
Kevin
Master Dahark
Well-Known Member
The most annoying thing about Alien 3 (besides killing Hicks before the movie even gets started) is the fact that the early trailers clearly hint towards the movie taking place on heavily populated planet Earth
I seem to recall an interview on the Quadrilogy set with Vincent Ward where he actually wrote an alternate ending where Ripley survives. After killing the alien and the queen Embryo ready to burst it's way out of Ripley, the Monks use a special method of surgery that they haven't used... well, ever. They struggle, but in the end they manage to remove the embryo without killing Ripley. This was of course rejected because Sigourney Weaver and the producers were dead set on killing Ripley.
And you gotta love Alan Dean Foster's approach to writing the film adaptation.
It's like all the higher ups wanted everything that was good about ALIEN stripped and thrown out. No wonder David Fincher lost his cool on set while he was being recorded.
David Fincher: It's amazing to me that Fox is the number one studio in the country *Grabs microphone and pulls it to his mouth* because they're all a bunch of morons.
Lflank
Well-Known Member
I agree Alien3 is the weakest of the series. The plot was slow at times, and there were holes a mile wide. One thing I did like was the design of the xeno, which was different than the previous movies.
I liked Resurrection mostly because it had a different mood to it than the others, with a wisecracking Ripley and the military mentality. Not the best in the series, but not the worst either. I agree the hybrid could have been better done.
I liked Resurrection mostly because it had a different mood to it than the others, with a wisecracking Ripley and the military mentality. Not the best in the series, but not the worst either. I agree the hybrid could have been better done.
SSgt Burton
Sr Member
Yes along with David Giler- they took over re-writing the script (into what was finally seen on film) after Ward left.
Kevin
Kevin
Hardly at one point. He has two credits as Producer and Screen Writer.
I actually co-hosted an Alien3 review podcast as part if an ALIEN retrospective over on Treks in Sci-Fi.
Podcast # 389 ? ?Alien 3? ? 1206.17
Podcast # 389 ? ?Alien 3? ? 1206.17
