eFX SCOUT TROOPER HELMET LEGEND EDITION!!
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sskunky
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It’s a shame we have to provoke you to get a response Art.
Can you explain why EFX still have status on here. Anyone else trying this would have been banned years ago. They’ve taken thousands of $ and never delivered. All they do is send a bi yearly email telling us what we want to hear then disappear for another year. It’s total bollox. Why I should be threatened and not EFX is beyond me.
Making defamatory statements has gotten more than one person banned. If you were truly seeking an answer, you have a plethora of ways to get my attention. "Provoking a response" isn't one that will end well for you.
Hey Art,
I defended you on the Anovos thread. I did not agree with your response but you offered it, and I said that's all we can ask. Anyone still going on about the topic is just wasting time. You offered your explanation and that's all we can ask.
Maybe you have offered it and I missed it, but Sskunky has a legitimate question that I think many are wondering. Why not simply explain why EFX is still here just like you did with Anovos instead of threatening a long standing member who has a legitimate question.
I for one would like to hear your explanation and I think after 5 years of holding people's money it's a fair question. I think Sskunky could have worded the question better but it's still a fair question.
Persoanlly I wish EFX and Anovos would get their act together because most their product is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Peace Out All.
I defended you on the Anovos thread. I did not agree with your response but you offered it, and I said that's all we can ask. Anyone still going on about the topic is just wasting time. You offered your explanation and that's all we can ask.
Maybe you have offered it and I missed it, but Sskunky has a legitimate question that I think many are wondering. Why not simply explain why EFX is still here just like you did with Anovos instead of threatening a long standing member who has a legitimate question.
I for one would like to hear your explanation and I think after 5 years of holding people's money it's a fair question. I think Sskunky could have worded the question better but it's still a fair question.
Persoanlly I wish EFX and Anovos would get their act together because most their product is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Peace Out All.
Jamesfett,
You make a good point. Essentially the same question was asked a month and a half ago regarding ANOVOS. My response regarding ANOVOS applies to EFX.
Here is my response from that thread (slightly modified) so our position is clear.
We ban for two reasons; first and foremost in an effort to protect this community's members, second and far more rarely, to protect the RPF itself. As much as those we have banned in the past might feel differently, we don't ban as a punishment. We aren't parents (at least not of this rabble
). We aren't here to change or correct anyone. Our guidelines exist to protect our members (and ourselves) as much as we are able in this very tiny corner of the internet.
EFX does not operate here / does not advertise here / does not sell here. Bryan has responded from time to time, but outside of that, they don't actively use the RPF for business purposes in any meaningful way. With that in mind, banning Bryan would only be a symbolic gesture and would not be inline with previous bannings (we usually ban when we feel a seller is no longer willing or able to fulfill outstanding orders, not because they are delayed) . It wouldn't protect anyone or change the current situation. We have never used our position to make such gestures (which in my opinion, borders on a political nature since they have no practical ramifications) and as much as some might like us to, we don't plan to start now.
I haven’t personally talked to Bryan or Gino (who, as I understand it, is no longer even attached to EFX) in a long time so I can’t speak further on this.
You make a good point. Essentially the same question was asked a month and a half ago regarding ANOVOS. My response regarding ANOVOS applies to EFX.
Here is my response from that thread (slightly modified) so our position is clear.
We ban for two reasons; first and foremost in an effort to protect this community's members, second and far more rarely, to protect the RPF itself. As much as those we have banned in the past might feel differently, we don't ban as a punishment. We aren't parents (at least not of this rabble
). We aren't here to change or correct anyone. Our guidelines exist to protect our members (and ourselves) as much as we are able in this very tiny corner of the internet.EFX does not operate here / does not advertise here / does not sell here. Bryan has responded from time to time, but outside of that, they don't actively use the RPF for business purposes in any meaningful way. With that in mind, banning Bryan would only be a symbolic gesture and would not be inline with previous bannings (we usually ban when we feel a seller is no longer willing or able to fulfill outstanding orders, not because they are delayed) . It wouldn't protect anyone or change the current situation. We have never used our position to make such gestures (which in my opinion, borders on a political nature since they have no practical ramifications) and as much as some might like us to, we don't plan to start now.
I haven’t personally talked to Bryan or Gino (who, as I understand it, is no longer even attached to EFX) in a long time so I can’t speak further on this.
voice in the crowd
Sr Member
Hi Art,
Sorry I never saw the Anovos thread as I haven't followed anything about them. Here is my 2p on the eFX situation though and don't shoot the messenger as this is just my thinking on why I personally think they should be off this forum.
Every time eFX announces a pre-order a thread is started on this forum which effectively is free advertising and must contribute to eFX sales. It is also a kick in the teeth to the board members who are still waiting after 5 years.
In the past I think I am correct in saying people who took board members money, never delivered were not only banned they were not allowed to have their products discussed on the forum after they were banned. Happy to be corrected on that if I am wrong.
There is a very practical purpose for banning Bryan and eFX and it certainly isn't symbolic. It would stop their products being discussed here and potentially protect any board members from eFX in the future.
If eFX need to tell us that the Scout Trooper helmets are ready they can email us they have our details.
Cheers Chris
I agree with most of what you said. I don't think we are not allowed to discuss products of banned members. I have done it and seen it done plenty. I don't think there is a problem, there. Everything else you said I agree with but the point is Art has stated his reasoning and that is that. There really is nothing more to discuss on why they are not banned. Questioned asked and answered.
There are a number of companies and members I think should be banned. If I care that much I can start a forum, let them join, and ban them.
Trash EFX and Anovos all you want. They deserve it, but again my .5 cents, the banning question has been asked and answered.
Well I have one cheaper in the junkyard!
voice in the crowd
Sr Member
I am sure it was in the old page rules but The RPF rules look a hell of a lot slicker now than what I remember. The site is so much more professional than what I remember.
I am sure in the old RPF rules you weren't allowed to talk about banned members products and also even to talk about banned members. I think mainly because they could not reply to defend themselves.
I don't frequent the forums as much as I used to but The RPF used to be crawling with sock puppet accounts of the same old banned members. The same guys kept getting banned over and over and over
ggriffaw
Sr Member
I don't think it would make much sense to not allow discussion of companies or their products when the company has a license to make the product. There is a very good chance people will come across webpages for the product outside of forums. If there was no discussion allowed on the forums, it may make it much harder to find out how reliable the company is or how good their products are.
People that sell fan made items are different. A major way for them to sell their products is through forums.
People that sell fan made items are different. A major way for them to sell their products is through forums.
Chris, you are correct. When we ban someone, we don’t allow their product to be “promoted” for the exact reasons you stated.
Again, we tend to ban sellers when they stop communicating and we believe they no longer intend to fulfill their obligations. We allowed a few of these situations to drag on for more than five years because little by little the sellers were trying to make good on their sales, only dropping the ban hammer when they stopped responding entirely.
As EFX (and ANOVOS for that matter) was just at SDCC, showing new product, they seem alive and well and because they are an Official Licensee of Lucasfilm, the pressure to deliver is surely greater from that direction than anything we could ever muster. This places them squarely inline with any seller who is struggling to fulfill orders but still fully intending to do so. Historically we don’t ban those sellers. If anything, we would stop a seller like that from selling directly here, but then again, EFX doesn’t sell here.
With all of that said, I do understand everyone’s frustration. I hate delays as much as anyone. I don’t have outstanding orders with EFX but I do with ANOVOS and am as frustrated as the rest of you. I don’t want to undermine the reach of the RPF but I still feel that banning them would be a largely empty gesture.
I feel like there's a definite difference between discussion and promotion. Most of the threads I've seen started here to discuss anything from eFX to ANOVOS to Hasbro's Black Series to fan-sellers have been in the nature of "so, _______ has announced they're going to be making ______. What do y'all think?" And then going on to dig into the pros and cons of this offering over that, wheather this detail is acceptable as is, should be modded, or is a deal-breaker for purchasing, whether the sellers' histories warrant steering clear, etc.
I don't know that I've ever seen someone come on here and say "Hey! You should buy _______ new _____!" The closest I've seen is when someone is posting their progress building a thing and mention they intend to do a limited/unlimited run when they're finished, and will put it up in the appropriate board section at the appropriate time. And usually in response to "Wow! Will you be doing a run?" questions people post to said threads. And since neither eFX nor ANOVOS post development threads like that here (let alone Hasbro), I don't think they're guilty of self-promotion.
I don't know that I've ever seen someone come on here and say "Hey! You should buy _______ new _____!" The closest I've seen is when someone is posting their progress building a thing and mention they intend to do a limited/unlimited run when they're finished, and will put it up in the appropriate board section at the appropriate time. And usually in response to "Wow! Will you be doing a run?" questions people post to said threads. And since neither eFX nor ANOVOS post development threads like that here (let alone Hasbro), I don't think they're guilty of self-promotion.
major payne
Active Member
Personally I like this thread, as apart form the discussion going on here, I have no idea if any progress has been made with receiving my order. Hopefully one day, someone will have some positive news on the subject.
Just to put things into perspective, if someone pre ordered and paid for the Scout Trooper Legend helmet when it was announced, and also had a baby that year. That kid is now in second grade.
Synz314
Sr Member
It'll make a great high school graduation present when it comes out.Just to put things into perspective, if someone pre ordered and paid for the Scout Trooper Legend helmet when it was announced, and also had a baby that year. That kid is now in second grade.
darthjones
Sr Member
This is so awful. These Anovos and Efx guys are not people who are stuck with the same problems any of us would have in their position.
Make sure y’all realize that. It takes a special brand of delusion, inflated talk, and a lack of self-awareness to attempt something you are naturally incapable of.
Kids with broadswords...
Make sure y’all realize that. It takes a special brand of delusion, inflated talk, and a lack of self-awareness to attempt something you are naturally incapable of.
Kids with broadswords...
ggriffaw
Sr Member
Both companies were somewhat better in the past and have delivered quite a few quality products. For some reason both have struggled with delivering on the higher end products in recent years.
It is sad to watch the video of the efx booth from Comic Con and see how many products they were able to produce and compare that to what their state has been in the last few years.
imaginager
Sr Member
Respectfully, I disagree with Art. EFX clearly have no intention of fulfilling outstanding SCOUT TROOPER HELMET & PISTOL - LEGEND EDITION pre-orders. Let's not forget, we bought more than just the helmet.
The concept of a pre-order came about because consumers experienced difficulty obtaining popular items in stores due to competition from other consumers. In general, not enough product is manufactured to meet demand. Ironically, in the case of EFX, pre-ordering was one way a customer could be certain of receiving a product.
EFX (and others) have taken advantage of the concept by using pre-orders as start-up money. The optics of this are extremely damning because (1) employees of EFX conspicuously display completed products that reside in their personal collections and that are clearly the result of the company's endeavor; and (2) a company holding a legitimate license should not need to obtain start-up capital from prospective customers.
To recap:
(1) EFX has not demonstrated a real intent to deliver this product to their customers. Demonstrating real intent means posting frequent updates and PROACTIVELY offering customers the option of a refund.
(2) EFX employees appear to be the only individuals reaping the rewards of the funds EFX has collected from their customers.
(3) Showing new product is not equivalent to being "alive and well" when those new products are often the work of EFX affiliates, contractors, or volunteers. Take that ISD. It's my understanding that its development and construction was the result of two, or more, very talented members of this forum, and other unaffiliated individuals. While those involved may have received some form of compensation (or may not have), the ISD on display at the EFX booth is not a commercial product.
The concept of a pre-order came about because consumers experienced difficulty obtaining popular items in stores due to competition from other consumers. In general, not enough product is manufactured to meet demand. Ironically, in the case of EFX, pre-ordering was one way a customer could be certain of receiving a product.
EFX (and others) have taken advantage of the concept by using pre-orders as start-up money. The optics of this are extremely damning because (1) employees of EFX conspicuously display completed products that reside in their personal collections and that are clearly the result of the company's endeavor; and (2) a company holding a legitimate license should not need to obtain start-up capital from prospective customers.
To recap:
(1) EFX has not demonstrated a real intent to deliver this product to their customers. Demonstrating real intent means posting frequent updates and PROACTIVELY offering customers the option of a refund.
(2) EFX employees appear to be the only individuals reaping the rewards of the funds EFX has collected from their customers.
(3) Showing new product is not equivalent to being "alive and well" when those new products are often the work of EFX affiliates, contractors, or volunteers. Take that ISD. It's my understanding that its development and construction was the result of two, or more, very talented members of this forum, and other unaffiliated individuals. While those involved may have received some form of compensation (or may not have), the ISD on display at the EFX booth is not a commercial product.
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