eFX SCOUT TROOPER HELMET LEGEND EDITION!!

Discussion in 'Star Wars Costumes and Props' started by GINO, Aug 15, 2012.

  1. GINO

    GINO Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    EFX is pleased to announce the latest helmet in the Legend Edition line.
    SCOUT TROOPER!

    Our helmet was created by utilizing the original ROTJ production molds which as far as I know is the first time that original production molds from the original trilogy have been used to create a licensed collectible.
    How awesome is that?!

    The original screen-used helmets were made in vac formed plastic halves which were then glued together.
    The seam lines were filled with putty and sanded (relatively) smooth and then the entire helmet was painted white.
    The seam lines on the original helmets were very fragile and every known original has cracks in the paint in these areas.
    Because of vulnerability of the seam lines as well as the production and CS nightmare it would surely cause, the decision was made to create our replicas in fiberglass.
    Even though the materials will be different, every other aspect of the helmet will be as screen accurate as possible including the overall forms, paint, detailing, accessories, and function.

    There will be two different editions, a weathered screen-accurate version and a clean non-weathered version.
    We are not quite sure at this point if the weathered version will become the Legend with the clean version becoming the Limited as it happened with the ANH Vader.
    For the time being, we're just going to label them 'weathered screen-accurate' and 'clean'.
    Both versions will be identical with the exception of the weathering effect.

    Hope you enjoy the pics!!




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  2. Madmartigan

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    Gorgeous! I might actually have to get on the list for one of those!
     
  3. C0mmand3rC0dy

    C0mmand3rC0dy Well-Known Member

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    Oh goodness, that is something I am going to have to think about!
     
  4. chalback

    chalback Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    :O when can we pre order :D
     
  5. mrfnydude

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    Love it. Must have one. I hear its the most comfort as a trooper?
     
  6. jkno

    jkno Master Member

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    If I ever decide to get this I'll go with clean version. It's more impressive IMO. I'm also not 100% sure eFX will manage to offer a good weathering.
     
  7. MrPinski

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    SUPER COOL! Anyone else here ever think that the scout looks like Ghost Face from Scream? Maybe it's just me. haha
     
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  8. Apollo

    Apollo Legendary Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Looking good!!!
     
  9. GINO

    GINO Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    PS I'll be at C6 so be sure to stop by the efx booth if you want to discuss any particulars or check out the helmet up close and personal.



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  10. Toxx

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    Also my first thought!


    Other Question:

    Is there any Screenused Starwars-Helmet out there symetrical (except the ROTS-Vader) ?

    Looks like a runnig gag that every helmet is asymetrical...
     
  11. Darth Niob

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    Looks nice. Cause its no Vader lid, i dont have any problems with the wrong material which is used for this helmet. A few questions would be interesting especially for us Non-US-customers:

    Will both versions be available from EU-Retailers or just directly from eFX?

    Are there any differences between the Legend and Limited beside the weathering?

    When will the pre-order start and can you give us an estimate price on this helmet?

    thanks in advance
     
  12. Trilogy

    Trilogy Sr Member

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    All good questions, Darth Niob. Hopefully they'll be addressed.

    If I'm not mistaken, it was stated after the Vader helmet, Legend editions would be available through retailers/distributors for EU customers. Though I have also read this weathered "screen accurate" edition will only be available via eFX. Perhaps Gino or Brian would like to clarify?

    As for the helmet itself, overall it looks very nice indeed. However, I'm still not liking the visible fibreglass on the underside of the visor.
     
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  13. jkno

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    That is what I thought as well. But to be honest I'm not sure if to trust eFX stories anymore. Hopefully at least the clean one (which I could be interested in) might be available elsewhere as well. But as usual with eFX we could find out it will be not...
     
  14. JBReplicas

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    They look nice, but in my humble opinion the weathering on the weathered option needs to be improved upon, it looks quite a lot like rattlecan overspray to me, I hope this can be seen as a constructive criticism as these helmets look amazing, I just think that particular finish could be improved to reflect the greatness of the piece
     
  15. Trilogy

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    You're not alone in that regard. It's becoming increasingly difficult to believe anything said, as there have been numerous contradictions in the past.

    I'm inclined to agree. Rattle can over-spray was my first thought also.
     
  16. jedimaster

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    The originals had rattle can overspray hence the same on this. Also ya may get a better response if you don't call Gino...Gina.:lol

    Nice work again Gino as usual. Glad they got you on board.
     
  17. GINO

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    You nailed it.
    And thanks. :thumbsup

    Here's a quick shot of an original helmet so you can see how they were weathered.
    Whenever I looked at original helmets in the past, I never really paid much attention to their weathering. But once you start looking you sort of notice it.


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  18. planet

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    Looks like they just used a black spray in some spots
     
  19. Filandrius

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    Every time I see a screen-used prop, my mind gets blown at how quick and dirty they're built. "We need to weather this!" "Just mist it with this spray can, and do it fast!" :p

    Great job on the replica, it's spot-on. :)
     
  20. planet

    planet Well-Known Member

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    Yup and on camera you don't ever see it :)
     
  21. DAVIDYR1

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    Wow! Yet Another Win!!!

    Nice work guys!

    David
     
  22. joey the brown

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    Sorry, total piece of crap. Using anything other than the original production materials is not what the legend line should be about. I would rethink this and start forming. Seeing the glass strands on the inside of the parts makes it look like a 5 year old's art project.
     
  23. Qui-Gonzalez

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    Well, that's one opinion from some anonymous newbie. These have to hold up and be somewhat more durable than the originals and frankly, the originals were obviously cobbled together.

    Best Scout bucket you will ever get with the best provenance.
     
  24. joey the brown

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    Maybe I am a newbie, but laying claim to using the production molds that were vacuum formed and then making silicone molds to produce fiberglass is not a cast-from-original as it really claims, is it? Be it the best ever made does not remove the label that it is not what it claims to be.

    Form them, assemble them, hide the seam and then paint them. That is how the originals were done. That is how the legend line says things will be. This is claim this helmet cannot live up to based on the literature.
     
  25. jkno

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    This type of helmet that is very accurate to the minute detail when making it is the LoneWolf Scout helmet. It may be not from original molds, but it is indeed made the same way and same materials ILM guys made their helmets for ROTJ. Thus IMO LW is already better than eFX
     
  26. steveo

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    well, there goes more of my hard earned cash.
     
  27. Zenwalker

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    If the only difference between the two is the weathering I think I will be purchasing the clean one, especially if a premium is being put on the weathered version. I can weather it myself and while helmets that have been weathered in the factory in the past (ie. X-Wing Helmets) are pretty good for a factory job they always leave me wanting something more.

    The other criticism I have is the visible fiberglass on the inside of the visor. It doesn't look right and I hope something is done about it. Perhaps the visor could be made of injection moulded plastic or something.

    I also wish these would be made with the same materials and methods as the originals but I know that is not going to happen due to QC issues. Because of this I don't think it should be called a Legend as it does not follow the criteria that EFX first established for the Legend line.

    Otherwise this is looking to be very nice and has a great provenance having been cast from an original mould.

    Any idea when these will be for pre-sale?
     
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  28. steveo

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    I wonder if these will sell as quickly as the Legend Vader? I'm looking forward to this helmet. I also hope that this line continues and that a Boushh helmet is offered before too long.
     
  29. joey the brown

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    But is hasn't been cast from the original mold. It is a second gen casting once they poured silicon onto the forming masters. That is the point where they are trying to fudge the lines.
     
  30. Trilogy

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    Whoops! No idea what I was thinking when typing that. :$

    My apologies, Gino.
     
  31. Zenwalker

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    I understand that, my point was that it is still originating from an original source. Lucasfilm is not going to let them cast off the original buck so of course they have to make an intermediate master, that is the only way they can do it.
     
  32. joey the brown

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    Then why make it? It seems ridiculous to pay for something that is not what they claim it is. How do you know Lucasfilm will not allow them to form on the molds? It seems that people have had dreams of making the ultimate costume helmets and it is clear as day it did not go the way they promoted the Legend Line. The Stormtrooper was a flat out failure because no one did their home work to ensure it could be made. Wasting time and getting peoples hopes up. Now not using formed materials as the originals did. The Vader helmet has issues since the protection for shipping was not up to par.

    It seems all wrong and people are happy to be spoon fed. They need to get some new people in there.

    Just my .02 worth
     
  33. Trilogy

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    Thanks for the clarification, Gino.

    If the only difference between the two helmets offered is nothing more than over-spray it will be interesting to see how they are priced. If there's a significant difference I see many simply purchasing the clean edition and weathering the helmet themselves.
     
  34. Zenwalker

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    If you really think Lucasfilm would let them form 1000 + helmets off an original mould then you live in a dream world.

    Not gonna happen.
     
  35. Amish Trooper

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    LW and my Altmanns seems nicer at this point. Will wait and see.
     
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  36. joey the brown

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    They wont form 1000 parts. LOL. Isn't the uber geek edition around 500? I think you are trying to be condescending and coming across as more of a jerk than anything else really.
     
  37. Qui-Gonzalez

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    No, what he says makes perfect sense, but alas, my Sockpuppet radar is going CRAZY right now. The molds are more valuable that 1,000 pieces of anything. These are one of a kind things NOT designed for production. Hey, if you don't want it, don't buy it. You won't get a better scout bucket though.
     
  38. joey the brown

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    Your radar can go nuts really for all I care. I was simply stating the obvious, and sorry to say, there are much better products out there than this attempt. But to each their own.
     
  39. Qui-Gonzalez

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    No, what you were stating was your opinion. Because LFL would not allow someone to use their one of a kind molds to make a run of consumer products is your issue here, and it is a lame duck non-starter.
     
  40. Art Andrews

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    Hello, Matt. Goodbye, Matt.
     
  41. Amish Trooper

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    Omg was that TE ? Lol explains it.
     
  42. Art Andrews

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    I too think the weathering might be a little heavy-handed, but the STYLE of weathering is pretty spot on. While Stephen Lane's helmet is pretty pristine in comparison, the one area of weathering on it, looks very similar to the weathering Gino did on the eFX helmet.

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  43. GKvfx

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    Couple of points:

    - After going to the recent display here in Orange County, I have to say I too was a bit surprised by the used of "spray can" weathering on the original props. Not entirely surprising given my experience with props/models and working in the field, though.

    - As for the purists that insist that they be vac-formed - it's one thing to build them fast/dirty/cheap for a production. And yes, we RPF'ers are a dedicated (and picky) audience, demanding authenticity wherever possible. But eFX has be concerned with other things - building things that are going to last, building things with a perceived value to them. How many times have you picked up a real prop and been amazed at what a piece of junk it is? It's one thing to pay a premium for the real thing (because it's "real") - but to pay a premium for a replica that comes off just plain shoddy? Can you imagine the complaints and returns? And can you imagine the issues down the road if the vacform styrene were to start splitting or cracking? Lucasfilm for one, wouldn't stand for it.

    At a certain point, you have to accept that your replica is just that - a replica. But by making this "replica" out of materials superior to the original, and (in the case of this particular piece) sourcing it off of original parts/molds/bucks from LFL, I think we are going to wind up with a stunning piece, that will be virtually indistinguishable from the real thing to the untrained eye.

    - Nice post Gino......

    Gene
     
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  44. h3pilot

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    You said it Gene :)
    They've got a difficult job deciding how to make their products.

    Do the majority of collectors want a helmet/saber/ship that exactly replicates the movie prop? (cheaply made, roughly weathered, detailed for a few seconds on film)
    Or do they want an item that looks like the movie prop (shape, color, detail) but is of more robust construction with more subtle (realistic?) weathering and more detail? More of a replica of what a "real" helmet/weapon/ship would look like.

    Is there enough of a market for both?

    I guess I'm not a true prop purest. I like that my eFx X-wing has a detailed cockpit and Luke pilot. I know the film SS were not as detailed, but it looks really nice on my shelf :)
     
  45. Amish Trooper

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    It would be nice if they did the highend vac formed etc and the lesser one in the fiberglass
     
  46. Art Andrews

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    I wish it was vacuum formed as well, but to do that the way the originals were made, each helmet would have to have a tremendous amount of hand cleanup and assembly, making mass production all but impossible and quality control an absolute nightmare. While I am against using fiberglass, I reluctantly have to admit, from a business perspective, it is a much smarter option for them to take.
     
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  47. Stormy320

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    I like it.

    I would like to see the visor vacuformed so it doesn't show the fiberglass. Either way, nice job.
     
  48. Qui-Gonzalez

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    You guys also have to remember that these are prototypes, not the final product.
     
  49. Asher40

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    beautiful!
     
  50. mrbungle

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    i for one think the helmet looks lovely, thinking about clean one myself!

    nice job, EFX!
     

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