vaderdarth
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Excellent photo and point well made Mac. 
eFX A New Hope Darth Vader Helmet
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vaderdarth
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Not dimensional on the Baker mould or not dimensional on the screen helmet or both???
And while we're on this, if that C is actually a scratch even in the paint, wouldn't that be dimensional?
In my view, if any border of that C shape is raised or lower that actually is the definition of dimensional. To be non dimensional, the entire triangle must be flat top to bottom. I don't believe it can be both
And while we're on this, if that C is actually a scratch even in the paint, wouldn't that be dimensional?
In my view, if any border of that C shape is raised or lower that actually is the definition of dimensional. To be non dimensional, the entire triangle must be flat top to bottom. I don't believe it can be both
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Juansith
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Well, i dont know, surely theres damage there but if you see the tantive close up, the damage looks somewhat different.
I do see a small line going up to the middle area of the cheek, much smaller than the one we see on Tantive.
If what some people say its true and the Tantive scene was the last scene Vader was used, the i conclude that that scar was a damage made earlier wich increased its volume.
Now, play fair, the second and third pic were enhanced by you treating that area on PS, That level of damage DOES NOT appear on screen.t
Even with the lighting, if it were as noticeable as in the Tantive, we would be able to see it, and in this scene is not as noticeable.
I do see a small line going up to the middle area of the cheek, much smaller than the one we see on Tantive.
If what some people say its true and the Tantive scene was the last scene Vader was used, the i conclude that that scar was a damage made earlier wich increased its volume.
Now, play fair, the second and third pic were enhanced by you treating that area on PS, That level of damage DOES NOT appear on screen.t
Even with the lighting, if it were as noticeable as in the Tantive, we would be able to see it, and in this scene is not as noticeable.
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CSMacLaren
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A steak of gunmetal paint would have had the same surface vector as the cheek on which it was painted. It would therefore consistently reflect light in a similar fashion to the cheek surface. This is not quite the case because the shape of the scar appears to be catching overhead light. The scar becomes more prominent when the lighting is above-right of the frame.
vaderdarth
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gino, what color did you paint the inside of the nose on the eFX???
Actually I think this is what both parties have been trying to say all along. What we think of as the "C" scar isn't even a C shape it is the play of light across these artifacts and the surrounding area.
CSMacLaren
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Play fair? How is it that you can look at the movie casually and make such authoritative statements, and when I show you a specific scene that you must have seen, you cry foul?
Go back to the first picture I posted (un-retouched) and look closely at it yourself. Turn you your monitor brightness if necessary. I showed pre- and post-Photoshop treatment so you can see I'm simply taking a cruddy screenshot and making that specific area brighter. I'm not adding detail.
BTW, are you watching it in Hi-Def or on regular DVD? BIG DIFFERENCE. Your screencaps look like they are DVD. If you're basing your knowledge on the DVD, then you'll perhaps dispute any details I offer you from Hi-Def screenshots because such details may not even show up on the DVD's resolution.
Okay, here is the Tantive IV shot in comparison to the Death Star Interrogation scene:
There you go. Hope that helps! :thumbsup
Juansith
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I took the liberty to use your enhanced pic.
If you see the marked areas close to the C scar, they have the same white appearance as the scar, on the top cheel theres a dent which would be natural for an edge.
Then look at those little lines next to the C, that seems like small scratches or cracked paint.
I dont think it is a bump anymore, they are dents and scratches on the surface.
CSMacLaren
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I think that is a very good statement there. I may have coined the term "C-scar" years back (or maybe it was Too Much Garlic) because, when you look at the Tantive IV closeup, it very roughly looks like a letter "C". It is not an attempt to say that the scar is shaped, literally, like a letter C. The scar has three nicks like commas. One could say "J" shape, but "C-scar" sounds cooler. All bad guys need a good scar.
There is nothing wrong with cranking up the brightness and contrast to show the defect.
I do know one fact for sure, Vaders hemet was not painted white.
I do know one fact for sure, Vaders hemet was not painted white.
CSMacLaren
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The scientific method starts with a hypothesis, and then you conduct experiments and make observations to corroborate that hypothesis. Better yet, you harden the observations by trying to create false positives before you reach a hard-set conclusion.
We're getting off-topic here, but consider for a moment the same features on the following:
In each case, the strong characteristics of the "C" scar show up in different lighting situations. Note that each scene, you can clearly see the three commas - and a long minus sign to the right of the scar.
Just because you see it brighter, it doesn't mean it's paint. We had a debate a while back if Vader's metallic gray paint covered a certain area because the screen capture showed it to be whitish. When Vader rotated his head a few degrees and it showed that it was merely light reflection off of gloss black paint, that supposition was no longer valid.
The above comparison are two different lighting direction, different ambient lighting, and different degrees of nod. It's not the most ideal comparison but it does take steps to eliminate some false positives!
Juansith
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If you dent under the paint on a helmet like that, what color would it show?.
Im asking, whats the color of the material?
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vaderdarth
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So Mac if I am reading you right here, when the light is from the right, the scar is bright, but when it's from the left in the shot, the scar almost disappears.......meaning that shape is raised to the left of the C. in other words, the C is the edge of the ledge. So it's lower on the dull gray part inside inside or to the right of the C???
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Wrong! :love
Just kidding, haha! :lol
:thumbsup It's the abominable snow Vader. :lol
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