eFX A New Hope Darth Vader Helmet

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Yes Gary, stuff DOES get dropped. I am NOT saying every break is thanks to the tabs. I am saying tabs lead to a higher likelihood of breakages in this piece. So again, it makes far more business sense to offer a product with a little less likelihood of being dropped, or breaking, right?

I would put to anyone who thinks the ring mount is superior this:

Where is the damage on the original ANH screen helmet? :)

It went through the ANH production and around three years of touring with Kermit....where is the damage?

Even if, as I hypothesize, the tube ends were redone at some point during ANH, whether they actually got damaged we don't know. And from the shoot, from what we see onscreen, apart from tube end length differences that might be real or not, there doesn't appear to be any damage to the mask on account of the tab system. Any damage would occur to the dome and sure we see it flying off during the saber duel behind the scenes but look at how well IT STAYED ON during the actual fight sequences we do see onscreen. And from what I can tell, there might have been an early dome during the fight sequences, then they changed the dome and that one dome stayed the same for the rest of the ANH production. So where is all this damage?

Sure for ESB Anderson needed a more secure fitting but honestly who is going to fight like that in their Vader suit when they troop?

So the issue about it not being secure enough I think doesn't hold water. If you manufacture the tabs properly then for normal use they would work. And in fact, when you have a completely rigid mount, there is greater risk of damage to the dome as there is no give on an impact of the armor. I've worn a Vader suit a lot in trooping conditions and I can attest to this. If I had a completely rigid mount, the dome would have been chipped or cracked on impact instead of just being dislodged slightly and if it is then usually it won't fly off right away and you can hang onto it and remount it.

That is what the tabs were designed for, to secure something in place and if in the event they are forced to separate they can without damage to the mount.
 
Hell Thomas, for that matter, where is the original ANH helmet? Was the mounting system changed for Eller's promo use? I still say there is a reason they went with the ring mount and it has to do with securing the piece. This is all just theory though on my part.
 
Hell Thomas, for that matter, where is the original ANH helmet? Was the mounting system changed for Eller's promo use? I still say there is a reason they went with the ring mount and it has to do with securing the piece. This is all just theory though on my part.


From what I've been told, the ANH mount wasn't changed for the tour. But the rigor of use the original ANH helmet went through unscathed speaks to the utility and practicality of the tab mount system.

And if the tabs wear out you can REPLACE them.

How many times do we see damaged ring mounts on licensed Vader helmets such as the DP Deluxe? Because it is a rigid system and once it is damaged the owner is screwed.

And if someone wanted to add a ring they can. But once a ring is incorporated into the mask, you cannot remove it so easily.

I want the original mask, not some mask with a dopey kind of mount aka ROTS on it.
 
From everything that has been said, eFX is not going to do the tabs. So, if you want tabs that badly, you will just have to put them on yourself and remove the ring. Then repaint the helmet to your exact specs.
 
From everything that has been said, eFX is not going to do the tabs. So, if you want tabs that badly, you will just have to put them on yourself and remove the ring. Then repaint the helmet to your exact specs.
And then you might as well just buy a fan helmet instead.
 
I guess I am just not that pure of a purist. Prowse could have had a huge "KICK ME" sign taped under the capes, but since we did not see it on screen, does it really matter? We did not see the tabs on screen, so while I consider myself a purist, I guess I am just not that pure.

I'd wager I am not alone.
 
This bickering is pointless...

What if efx were to offer the helmet with its own meditation chamber
complete with hydraulic dome positioner and vacum sealer?

problem solved
 
While, the majority of the time this helmet will be on display with the dome in place, I would like to have the tabs. It is a prop replica and should represent the prop as it was.
 
I think the dome flew off at least once during the filming of ANH.

I remember posting a screen cap a few years ago of the dome falling off during the Vader / Obiwan Death Star duel. Wish I could find that screen grab again to share here. I think it was from a 'making of' doc or something...on the DVD's perhaps?

Velcro is a rubbish method because whilst it secures the dome nicely, it leads to paint damage when you try to remove the dome.

Magnets are good. I had a VM helmet that used magnets where the tabs should be, it worked really well.

I think this is possibly the best compromise between functionality and accuracy.
 
Theyre not going with the apple tabs. Its most likely going to be something similar to the RMQ vader which has a really neat magnet configuration which "clicks" into place when its correctly alligned. Of course they'll also have to build up the face or dome inside to assist the alignent.

Cheers

Jez
 
I guess I am just not that pure of a purist. Prowse could have had a huge "KICK ME" sign taped under the capes, but since we did not see it on screen, does it really matter? We did not see the tabs on screen, so while I consider myself a purist, I guess I am just not that pure.

I'd wager I am not alone.

I really don't understand you're logic here Hector, you say what's under the dome doesn't matter because it's not seen on screen so if it doesn't really matter, why would you be bothered if it used tabs then ?
And please don't say it's about it not being secure enough because it is, if anything the ring mount was probably more to do with making it easier to get the dome to consistantly sit in the same position not because the dome kept falling off.

I'll wager right now the reason they wont be going for the tabs is nothing to do with security it's more about simplicity and cost.
 
Well if they go with magnetic mounting points, I hope at least they will build up the inside of the dome and not the mask as that would be how it was done on the original.

I think some clarification is needed on the so-called "tabs".

Tabs is a misnomer because they are not tabs, they are fasteners.

Nor are they velcro. Velcro utilizes a hook and loop mechanism, whereas the fasteners used on the original Vader helmet is an interlocking mechanism in which the spherical heads snap together, yielding greater holding strength than velcro. I think probably the 3M fasteners we see on the original ANH were clear acrylic and would have been the forerunners of the "duel-lock" fasteners which came out in 1980, the only difference being the duel-lock use mushroom-shaped heads. Anyway, interlocking fasteners are much superior to velcro and modern ones are engineered to be reused 1000s of time without failure.

eFX could have the mask/dome fitted with screw holes and the choice of either magnetic or interlocking fasteners.... :lol

And acrylic fasteners are less expensive than magnetic ones.
 
I really don't understand you're logic here Hector, you say what's under the dome doesn't matter because it's not seen on screen so if it doesn't really matter, why would you be bothered if it used tabs then ?
And please don't say it's about it not being secure enough because it is, if anything the ring mount was probably more to do with making it easier to get the dome to consistantly sit in the same position not because the dome kept falling off.

I'll wager right now the reason they wont be going for the tabs is nothing to do with security it's more about simplicity and cost.
I guess it is just knowing it isn't going top be there. We only know that there will NOT be tabs, but you would lose track of the people in this thread asking for tabs. If it uses tabs, I will deal with it.

All I have heard is how much of a pain in the ass tabs are. The people who have tabs know this and yet here they are, rallying around tabs. It ain't gonna happen. It's nice to discuss and since I have asked a couple of folks with the tabs, I am glad they are NOT going with tabs.

Maybe one day Bryan will pop in and let us know why they are not going with tabs, but I doubt it. I wouldn't.
 
Why wouldn't you? Is he not a member of this community?
Yes he is, and I wouldn't expect it because it only serves to soothe us Vader Brawlers. It won't help his sales any by explaining what is what. It won't hasten this thing to market. It would be just to make us 3%ers happy.
 
I figured that was why.:lol

There really is no sense of community for the Vader people. Not to say I haven't had some excellent conversations with a couple of people.
 
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