Does anyone have the Vader reference CD?

Discussion in 'Star Wars Costumes and Props' started by Brent M, Jul 5, 2006.

  1. Brent M

    Brent M Sr Member

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    I have seen the Darth Vader reference CD talked about on this forum a few times, but I never could find out who put it together. Is it still available and if so, how does one go about obtaining a copy? I got the Boba Fett reference CD last year and it is a really great compilation of photos so I'm figuring the Vader CD is just as informative. If anyone knows where or how to get one I would really appreciate it. Just PM me or respond in this thread if possible. Thanks.
     
  2. RKW

    RKW Sr Member

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    If you can't find someone to send you a copy check out this great resource site by Darth Phaeton
     
  3. GeneralMayhem

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    I'm interested, too.
     
  4. Probe Droid

    Probe Droid Master Member

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    Someone made this here a buncha years ago based--I think--on other members' contrubutions of MoM pix, screen grabs etc. Anyone who contributed got a freebie, which is how I got mine.
     
  5. Ghost Host

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    yea, recipients weren't supposed to make copies, but some did anyway...
     
  6. Simba

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    I have one and haven't looked thru it all the way yet. I found the info on the leather suits interesting to be sure.
     
  7. Brent M

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    Thanks for the link to Darth Phaeton's site, RKW. That is an incredible collection of photos and is VERY helpful. I'd still like to obtain a copy of the reference CD too, though, so if anyone has one or knows where I can get it please reply here or send me a PM. I'll be happy to pay for it. Thanks.
     
  8. Simba

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    Hey question, the guy in the costume that isn't Prowse (guy with mustache, glasses) is that the "Kermit" guy we've heard of?
     
  9. star-art

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    I missed out on this as well and would love to see it. :)
     
  10. RKW

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Simba @ Jul 6 2006, 04:50 PM) [snapback]1275163[/snapback]</div>
    Yes.
     
  11. SithLord

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    Yes the CD was not meant to be copied ad libitum. But I think you could get a copy from the original person who put it together. Personally, I find it fairly outdated given that there has been much more new material out in the last couple of years, in terms of books, magazines, etc. Also, the screen caps quality has improved tremendously. Maybe someday I'll make an updated one when I have the time...of course it would have to be a DVD, not a CD ;).
     
  12. Dark Shadow

    Dark Shadow Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Ive been looking for that same vader ref cd too. Perhaps we should make an interest list and find someone whos willing to make copies of it.
     
  13. RoCKo

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    there are some REALLY HIGH RESOLUTION PICTURES on Brak´sBuddy´s 70mm CD too...
    they are now available in TDH's galleries
    here is the link:
    The Dented Helmet Galleries
     
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  14. Brent M

    Brent M Sr Member

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    SithLord,

    Who was it that originally put this CD together and how would I go about contacting them?
     
  15. gts072

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    I think Ghost Host took part in creating that CD if I'm not mistaken. Its not meant to be shared as people stated above.
     
  16. GeneralMayhem

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    Oh well. You win some, you lose some.
     
  17. vader71

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    Its still a great reference cd.
    The maker's name I can not remember for sure...Flix somthing?
     
  18. SithLord

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    sorry I forget his name, that was quite a while ago...but he should still be on the RPF?....he was nice enough to let me have a copy at the time even though I wasn't in the immediate "loop".....I'm sure he spent a lot of time on it...
     
  19. Brent M

    Brent M Sr Member

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    Wow, I didn't realize that trying to get a copy of this disc would be like securing classified NSA documents.
     
  20. GeneralMayhem

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    Welcome to the RPF.


    lol
     
  21. Darth Kahnt

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    I have a copy.... but I don't think I would give it out unless I had the permission of the original maker.

    I hope someone can chime in here and let us know who made it.
     
  22. lambotour

    lambotour Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    IMHO the cd is not such a big deal. Other than the RPF threads on it, which are very informative, the majority of it is a bunch of fuzzy screen caps and low rez pics. As Sithlord pointed out, there have been better quality pics and even more info available since that cd was made. However, I commend the person who put it all together and organized it, as well as the other contributing parties. What should be done is a combination of all current pics and info, alongwith some new RPF archived threads AND that cd, then you'd really have a cd as valuable as Homeland Security documents. :)
     
  23. SithLord

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    Ya the archived threads were cool....and yes it would be great to have the old set of images together with an updated set.....that also brings up an idea .....a CD set of RPF threads with topic specific threads...ie: Vader, stormtroopers, Fett, sabers, and other movies....that would be really cool....just the complete threads....call it "The Best of RPF" :D
     
  24. Darth Kahnt

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    <div class='quotetop'>(lambotour @ Jul 7 2006, 07:37 AM) [snapback]1275801[/snapback]</div>
    :lol

    I agree, the pics could be better. The old threads are the best part.

    I think a new CD may be a bit much for one person to undertake. I think we could get a group of us together and tackle the CD as a team. Thoughts?
     
  25. Victorious-Jay

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    I say in the interest of brotherhood we let bygones be bygones and all pool together to make an all-new, updated, hi-res, all inclusive, Vader reference cd/dvd. It can be like a group project. At this point the cats out of the bg on most of the so-called top secret stuff. What the hell.

    -Jason M
     
  26. CTF

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    I thought the only reason it was kept on the downlow was the pics of Kermit in the suit (individual peices) outside DPS? Now those are public (kinda - HS) it's not anything to keep to yourself (shouldn't be like that anyway. ;)).
     
  27. blufive

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    The screencaps were taken before an official DVD was released by LFL. That would make them a little blurry. At the time, that was the best reference available.
     
  28. SithLord

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    A few things to think about...... as far as making it a group project, there would be a lot of reference material derived from the RPF itself. Some of those images might need approval by the owners (suit or helmet images), some might have been hosted through Wackychimp (do we need Wackychimp's approval then?). Or it would be a donation to the project sort of thing. Of course, anything I've posted here in the last year (comparisons, screen caps or other reference) could go on since I use my own image hosting. Personally, I think that the contents of the CD itself should be used for personal reference only (or perhaps RPF discussion), not to fill up one's website with a Vader gallery, etc.....any thoughts on conditions? If it's a group thing then conditions would have to be set by the group. Keep in mind as well that Hyperspace images are copyright LFL so even though the Kermit images appeared on HS, they have the HS logo, whereas the ones that appeared on the original Vader reference CD were derived from originals and therefore still belong to the owner of the photos (although that person can chime in on that point).
     
  29. RKW

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    Considering we are all ripping off LFL property with bootleg replicas I think it's a bit late in the day to start worrying about Hyperspace logos. Since LFL owns all image rights it's also a bit of a moot point to start worrying about ownership.
     
  30. Brent M

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Victorious-Jay @ Jul 9 2006, 01:50 AM) [snapback]1277086[/snapback]</div>
    I would totally be up for something like that(even though I was turned down by several people when trying to get the original Reference CD).
     
  31. Darth Kahnt

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    Well, the only way it's going to get started is if we decide to start it.

    In order to do that we need to decide how its going to be layed out and what it will contain. Iwill do a template tomorrow and post it and then others can feel free to add their own ideas or change mine or what have you.

    I am very interested in making this porject a reality.

    RKW, Im with you on the HS pics. I dont think it will be a big deal personally.
     
  32. Victorious-Jay

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    As far as the stipulations I agree that we should discourage people from using these pics on their websites. Lets keep it a true reference cd. I'm interested in any input people have.

    -Jason M
     
  33. RKW

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    Why any stipulations at all? IsnÂ’t this supposed to be a CD created by fans for fans? The purpose to collate all known information to make it easily accessible.

    By stipulating that the only media used can be CD generally means that someone is hoping to just use it as a money making scheme or exclude a certain group of fans. At the end of the day the internet will out live a CD gathering dust at the bottom of someoneÂ’s draw.
     
  34. Brent M

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    <div class='quotetop'>(RKW @ Jul 10 2006, 09:11 AM) [snapback]1277882[/snapback]</div>

    Well said, RKW. We're all fans here and why not let as many people as possible have access to all this content? The "secret society" mentaility around here gets a little old sometimes.
     
  35. GeneralMayhem

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  36. Simba

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    Were the shots of Kermit Pre- or post production?
     
  37. Too Much Garlic

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Simba @ Jul 12 2006, 02:33 PM) [snapback]1279219[/snapback]</div>
    Didn't Kermit first get involved "after" production? At least that's how it sounded in the Hyperspace interview.
     
  38. Probe Droid

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    Why is copying the original disc for the handful of people who want one such a taboo? Isn't that what we're doing here, sharing info? The disc's original maker was happy enough to share with anyone who wanted it, so why shouldn't we keep that spirit going?

    I contributed a handful of MoM pix to the original project. Anyone who wants to copy my stuff just go ahead. I've already seen my pix in other people's collections many times. Doesn't bother me. In fact, if a guy I'll never know, maybe in another part of the world, can get the details on his saber right because of a pic I shot, I think that's fabulous. :)
     
  39. Ghost Host

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    Why not start a new reference CD project? One updated and better? Loads have been learned since then. I'd even contribute those same Kermit pics again.

    But the original agreement by the last disc's creator was to not copy the disc. Plain and simple. Arguing that to rationalize doing it after the fact is kinda low, IMO.
     
  40. frosty

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    I too would like to see a referance cd, i asked a while back and just got the tumbleweed going by as an answer , be interesting to see what comes of this new one
     
  41. Simba

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Ghost Host @ Jul 12 2006, 09:26 AM) [snapback]1279238[/snapback]</div>

    See that's the deal for me, we were honor bound by the request of the compiller. I myself think info should be freely distributed, but I also have to stand by my word as originally given.
     
  42. Brent M

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    I think there are enough people here interested in getting a new one done that it might actually become a reality. As I said before, I've got well over 1500 Vader photos that I would gladly contribute and I'm sure there are others around here with a lot more than that.
     
  43. SithLord

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    well if it's a free-for-all and there are no restrictions ie: people can fill up their websites with the CD material, make money using the CD material, or not even considering LFL copyright regulations for hyperspace photos which is something this forum adheres to.....count me out....I have over 20GB of stuff so one CD won't make a big difference to me....
     
  44. Brent M

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    <div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ Jul 12 2006, 03:41 PM) [snapback]1279585[/snapback]</div>


    I don't think anyone would have a problem with restrictions as far as people not using stuff on their websites or using the material to make a profit. I think the thing people are looking for is something that can be distributed freely to all of those who want it(which is something that seems to be a sticking point with the current Vader Reference disc). Hopefully enough people will get on board and make this thing happen as it would certainly be a welcome project IMHO. :thumbsup
     
  45. SithLord

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Brent M @ Jul 12 2006, 06:46 PM) [snapback]1279666[/snapback]</div>

    I agree that the new CD as offered through this forum should be available for everyone in the forum.....and yes the previous version was limited in that it was a private (not forum-wide) distribution....



    EDIT: So here's what needs to be considered:

    1. Who will produce it? I might consider it...but would need help with distribution. Clearly if someone else has a large collection of images and they would be willing to do it that's fine with me...

    2. Group agreement on use of the CD ie: personal reference only, or for posting for RPF discussions, etc. Not for website or advertisement use (in order to respect copyright). No recopying for resale of the CD. Copies sold at cost plus small extra amount for time to create it. I think the old CDs were, what, $10 or $15 apiece? Maybe more if it's a DVD ;). There's a heck of a lot out there in terms of fan-made Vaders. :)

    3. Here are the categories of the old CD:

    Lightsabers
    Replicas
    Real '77 Suit
    Publicity
    Suit
    Shins
    Misc. Frame Captures
    wavs
    Young Man Behind the Mask
    Vader's Ship
    Tusks
    Reveal
    Threads
    Chest/Shoulder
    Behind The Scenes
    Belt/Cod
    Autographs & Fan Pics
    Frame Captures
    Cut Scenes
    Commercials
    Helmet
    Blueprints, Etc
    Wallpaper


    These are not bad, but we could certainly refine this list....

    4. Would the previous maker of the CD like to be involved? After all, he put together all the material for the first one. Some of that material was scanned I think from old magazines (many screen caps as well), and so the scanning thing should be taken into account.


    just throwing out ideas here....
     
  46. vader71

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    If a new one happens I want a copy. :)
     
  47. SithLord

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    Ok I've found someone willing to help me out with the logistics of the CD....so what I'll do is create a template of sorts outlining what will be on it....and then people can start making submissions if they like....I have stuff from the web going back to 1999....so we'll see what can be fit on a 650-700MB CD :confused ....as far as menu-driven stuff I'll leave that open for now. The RPF image CD had a menu-driven browser which actually I find cumbersome. It's much easier for me at least to just refer to the individual folders on a disc and open all the images together in a picture or photo viewer. That's my own preference at least....

    I was even thinking of a 3 CD set, ANH Vader, ESB Vader, ROTJ/ROTS Vader.....in case it cannot all fit on one CD....but we'll see. It will focus initially more on quality than sheer quantity...

    Keep in mind this is a nonprofit endeavor purely to archive in one location many private and reference photos that have popped up over the years. My total Vader/Star Wars archive itself is over 40GB (26GB alone for ANH Vader) so I already have a lot of stuff organized. :)

    Clearly some of the material I'll want to post here for permissions as a lot of it will be private photos...although clearly one cannot find every person who has posted a photo of their Darth Vader suit or helmet so changes can be made as well if any objections turn up...especially for RPF members.

    I will at some point start a new thread on this.....
     
  48. Montagar

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    I think someone mentioned this earlier, but what about DVD(s)?

    Probably most members do not have that capability, but maybe it should be put out there for discussion just to find out for sure.
     
  49. gts072

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    A DVD is certainly doable since the technology is very common nowadays. Most new computers have DVD readers and/or burners. I would be especially interested in the ROTS Vader references. I have some myself but there should be more out there I believe.
     
  50. SithLord

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    yep, DVD is no problem....
     

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