Dave Prowse banned from C5 !!

[gonk27]

:confused

Original Darth Vader Banned From Star Wars Parties



...so ROTJ hasn't turned a profit in all these years then??

 

[STARTREKTOS]

George Lucas is getting more nutty by the day.

 

[KnightAsylum]

Don't bite the hand that feeds ya!

 

[jt001]

Come on, every time the movie airs on TV, they are supposed to pay royalties... unless specified otherwise in the contract. Maybe Lucasfilm is trying to pull the same stunt back when they released the Special Edition films. They only released promotional merchandise that had characters not associated with "real faces", so no royalties had to be paid to the actors, since the "character" or the image of that character belongs to Lucasfilm: Darth Vader, C3PO, R2 and Yoda. Of course, Luke, Leia and Han belong to LF, but they are portrayed in the likeness of Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford. That's why there were no promotional merchandise with any of them. No pretty face on merchandise, no need to write a check.

Even tho, how can they say the film didn't make any profit??? Really?

 

[Westies14]

Don't bite the hand that neglects to feed ya!

Fixed :lol

 

[C0mmand3rC0dy]

That's just ridiculous, he's Darth Vader after all, he at least should be entitled to some more compensation, what other stupid things has Lucas done (aside from the latest Indiana Jones movie)

 

[jt001]

fixed :lol

lol!!!

 

[jt001]

what other stupid things has Lucas done (aside from the latest Indiana Jones movie)

Star Wars Holiday Special?

 

[Rotwang]

Come on, every time the movie airs on TV, they are supposed to pay royalties...
Even tho, how can they say the film didn't make any profit??? Really?

Hollywood accounting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Hollywood accounting is not limited to movies. An example is the Warner Bros. television series Babylon 5 created by J. Michael Straczynski. Straczynski, who wrote 90% of the episodes in addition to producing the show, would receive a generous cut of profits if not for Hollywood accounting. The series, which was profitable in each of its five seasons from 1993–1998, has garnered more than US$1 billion for Warner Bros., most recently US$500 million in DVD sales alone. But in the last profit statement given to Straczynski, Warner Bros. claimed the property was $80 million in debt. "Basically," says Straczynski, "by the terms of my contract, if a set on a WB movie burns down in Botswana, they can charge it against B5's profits."

 

[UFO]

yea... and Dave has never made any money off darth vader....
he doesnt charge boatloads of fanboys $20+ for his autograph compounded over the last 30 years....
come on. he was some guy inside a suit. he didnt lend his voice... he didnt lend his face.... thats like saying someone who was an extra in a film with a crowd scene should recieve royalties every time the movie is shown.

 

[jt001]

"by the terms of my contract, if a set on a WB movie burns down in Botswana, they can charge it against B5's profits."

Yikes.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Lucasfilm don't go by studio rules. They produce their own films, IIRC. I think they are more like super big budget indy films, and just being distributed by 20th FOX. That's the only way he can have control of every aspect of the film.

and Dave has never made any money off darth vader.

You got a point there.

 

[Rotwang]

Yikes.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Lucasfilm don't go by studio rules. They produce their own films, IIRC. I think they are more like super big budget indy films, and just being distributed by 20th FOX. That's the only way he can have control of every aspect of the film.

There are many ways they can fudge the numbers. There is a pecking order when it comes to spreading all the profits. Lucas and the people who read their contracts probably get first share, but then they slide in a bunch of creditors (distributors, marketing and publicity, etc) who siphon off most or all of the profits, usually by weighing the profits against movies that failed and other accounting tricks. So when it's your turn to get a share, all the profits are "gone" and you get zilch.

BTW, I met Prowse in the early 90's and he was already complaining about Lucas' financial practices at the time, though IIRC he had decided to take a lump sum rather than a % figuring this film wouldn't make a cent.

 

[Star Wars Helmets]

According to Box Office Mojo, Return of the Jedi's done about $475m worldwide - so if you take inflation into account thats circa $1.1bn of todays money (so thats $1,100,000,000). Thats for the movie alone and ignores merchandising and (I think) numerous Video and DVD releases

Hell I can why its not into profit yet - it was one huge complex movie. I mean just imagine how much those Ewoks would have cost Lucas. They were all Robots you know - not actors, they made hundreds of tiny robots and hand covered them with crimped venezuelan public hair. Imagine how much that cost.

Man that movie will never make a profit cus it was made for arts sake, not greenbacks. Prowse should know that.

Cheers

Jez

 

[darth_myeek]

 

[Darth Mawr]

Nah....I think the ewoks were real and by the time they paid off the families of the ones that died they had no money left.

 

[TymerDC]

come on. he was some guy inside a suit. he didnt lend his voice... he didnt lend his face.... thats like saying someone who was an extra in a film with a crowd scene should recieve royalties every time the movie is shown.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the same thing go for Antony Daniels, Kenny Baker and Peter Mayhew that are in the same boat? Aren't they making residuals? These guys were also in "suits" , no face and no voice.

I just looked on Box Office Mojo and Jedi was made for around 32.5 Million and to date has made so far $475,106,177.... Check for yourself:

Return of the Jedi (1983) - Box Office Mojo

..and they claim there hasn't been a profit?????? So I guess 'ol Georgy hasn't had to pay any taxes on this "non-profit" film? Pretty slick bookeeping if you ask me.
Pay the man George!... or do you really think the few pennies he should get is going to put a big dent in your already over inflated pocketbook? This man deserves better.

 

[Rotwang]

Pay the man George!... or do you really think the few pennies he should get is going to put a big dent in your already over inflated pocketbook? This man deserves better.

If you pay Dave, you open the door to lawsuits by every third stormtrooper on the left who feels he is entitled to his cut of the movie. Hollywood accounting is designed to make the money flow the "right way" not into the hands of the great unwashed ...

 

[EvilRocketeer]

George Lucas and Spielberg are perfect for each other..Always trying to screw the little people...First Crispin Glover, and now David Prowse

 

[Art Andrews]

Whether LFL is in the right or not on the whole payment thing, David Prowse has been very bitterly and openly negative toward them, while still making a profit off of them. Now I know many here are firm believers in two wrongs somehow equal out the playing field, but you can't even be a little surprised that LFL isn't interested in helping out a guy who is backstabbing them while making money off of them at the same time... and lets be honest, it isn't like David Prowse not coming to C5 is going to affect the number of people who attend...

 

[TymerDC]

If you pay Dave, you open the door to lawsuits by every third stormtrooper on the left who feels he is entitled to his cut of the movie. Hollywood accounting is designed to make the money flow the "right way" not into the hands of the great unwashed ...

Every Storm Trooper didn't have their names on the ending credits on the first three films.