Darth Vader ANH black bars red LED lightsaber replica

belloq

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The black bars ANH Vader lightsaber holds a certain mystique because of a small detail, the distinctive red LED's- the perfect trigger for a Sith weapon. I also believe, if one had to choose, it is the primary/hero version of this prop.

The assumption that the silver bars version was the “V1” hero prop may be attributed the publication of its production photos in the 1997 Star Wars Chronicles book, while photos of the black bars version were never widely published.

After closely examining each scene and the production timeline, I concluded that the two versions seem to have been used interchangeably throughout the production in various scenes. No parts were exchanged or altered, and the unique features of each saber remained consistent during the production. However, for “hero” prop status, the advantage may be given to the black bars saber- because it was worn in more of the longer significant scenes: Tantive rebel commander, conference room, Leia's cell, control room and hangar. The silver bars saber was worn only in the Tantive entry, Tantive Leia and various Death Star corridor scenes.

In addition, Vader's ANH screen time total is about 11 minutes 50 seconds (11:50,) but the scenes with a belt-worn saber comprise only about 9:26, of which the majority, 7:39 (81%,) consists of scenes in which the black bars saber is worn.

So- more key scenes and more time in those scenes. Accordingly, I’ve set aside the misleading “V2” and “V1” nicknames. It’s “black bars” and “silver bars.”

Intrigued by its secret hero status, its relative obscurity and the scarcity of original boards, I decided to create a replica. The process was involved but satisfying. My board replica is not perfect but is close enough for me, as I may have never have been lucky enough to score a real one, and I wanted to finally complete this project and move on to others. However, though I made both blue and green mask color styles, I would love to find a board maker that offers more than one substrate color.

With the addition of the board, this may be the first accurate black bars saber made of all replica parts (except for the seven vintage red LED’s.) Main parts are by Roman and Gino. Special thanks to Newmagrathea, DarkJedi360 and LuketheBelter for reference photos of their original boards, and to whomever posted the original enlarged on-set photo years ago. (To avoid inadvertent harm on image/copyright ownership and to dissuade further unauthorized distribution, I’ve watermarked all the photos here and in the attached PDF of my research, including others’ images. If you want your image credited or removed, please let me know.)
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Great info and research, thank you belloq. To my eye, your photos seem to confirm a lighter colored board (other than the blue) was used on the screen used hilt.
 
Thanks. I still have not been able to identify the color with absolute certainty. My photos above were not the precisely correct angle or lighting to match the reference.
 
Yeah, that's real dang purty, nice job!!

I'm still not sure either, whether the board is blue or tan, but I'm leaning towards blue, or at least a darker tone than the light tan I've seen.

But, like I said in the other thread, the boards are just so awesome looking, regardless of the color, so who cares?!!!
 
You math makes a compelling case for this version as the hero version.

I also like the look of the red LEDs as it references the color of the blade, and the Sith influence.

We can associate the bubble lenses with the good guys only, not Vader.

We could further read into it that Vader's lightsaber uses the good bubble lenses as he gets closer to his defining moment as a good guy at the end.

I'd certainly buy one of these if you were able to produce them more easily and cost effective.

Had you considered applying transparent stickers/ laser etching pieces of red acrylic to mimic the look of the LEDs?
 
Thanks. I just wanted a reasonably accurate replica for myself. Mass production or hitting a price point wasn’t my goal.
 
Looks damn good to me.

It was just luck for me that I had one of these boards in my spare parts box for about ten years before I realised it was actually used.
 
Superb peice of research & manufacture ! Will you be revealing how you made these?

Thanks. I have a LED clamp board listed on eBay, so no specific how-to at this time. I guess like any other project- I researched, designed, prototyped, sourced, and built.
 
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While the analysis of the two hero sabers and their screentime is a valid point, I’d like to point out one thing: The silver bars saber was the one photographed for purposes of prop reference/publicity, NOT the black bars. Setting aside the possibility that they simply grabbed one of the two props at random, its use in the photos indicates that it was the one the crew treated as the hero. Of course, it could also be that the silver bars was the only one left or available by the end of production, since its scenes were shot mostly near the end of principal photography.

I also find myself wondering if the silver bars was a refined version of the design, since it has the bubblestrip, which makes it consistent with the two other (Luke, Ben) hero sabers in the film. Maybe the initial, black bars prop was a rushjob, or something.
 
its use in the photos indicates that it was the one the crew treated as the hero.

How so? By saying it was the one the crew treated as the 'Hero' requires either direct (or even reported) statements from the crew that this was so - or retrospective mind reading.
I do get your point that it is a perfectly valid possibility it was chosen for this reason but...

the possibility that they simply grabbed one of the two props at random,
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it could also be that the silver bars was the only one left or available

...these, as you rightly pointed out, are just as likely . We also don't know (or do we?) who chose the prop to be used in the photo shoot. Is it not more to the point that it's what was going through their mind that determined which one was used?

Belloq has supported his idea with evident screen time in key scenes. The prop publicity photo's are closer to self referencing. Neither can be conclusively 'proven' with the data available but that's par for the course with this game.

There is always option 'x' - something no one has thought of.
 
How so? By saying it was the one the crew treated as the 'Hero' requires either direct (or even reported) statements from the crew that this was so - or retrospective mind reading.
I do get your point that it is a perfectly valid possibility it was chosen for this reason but...

...these, as you rightly pointed out, are just as likely . We also don't know (or do we?) who chose the prop to be used in the photo shoot. Is it not more to the point that it's what was going through their mind that determined which one was used?

Belloq has supported his idea with evident screen time in key scenes. The prop publicity photo's are closer to self referencing. Neither can be conclusively 'proven' with the data available but that's par for the course with this game.

There is always option 'x' - something no one has thought of.

Both of the stunt sabers in ROTJ - the "V2" for Luke and the "MoM" for the Vader - were both given infinitely more screen time than their hero counterparts and both used in key scenes and battles. And yet they are both still considered the "stunt" lightsabers.

Screen time alone is not sufficient evidence to prove which Vader version should be considered the 'Hero'.
 
I'd like to think that both silver and black bars are hero belt hangers.
But, of course the silver one is more publicized, hence it's designation as the v1 by many
 
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My premise was that scene significance and screen time prevails, and implies importance. Of course, that is only one perspective. For the Chronicles book and for many behind-the-scenes books, I think the author/publisher happens to find certain photos available, and that’s what ends up in the book after much deliberation and editing. Over time, production photos can be discarded, misfiled and lost, so I don’t think the mere existence or choice of photos for a book by non-crew writers decades after production offers much guidance on an object’s importance or the crew’s intentions. This is especially true when it differs from what ends up on the silver screen. Just my opinion.
 
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Both of the stunt sabers in ROTJ - the "V2" for Luke and the "MoM" for the Vader - were both given infinitely more screen time than their hero counterparts and both used in key scenes and battles. And yet they are both still considered the "stunt" lightsabers.

Screen time alone is not sufficient evidence to prove which Vader version should be considered the 'Hero'.

Exactly. The silver bars one was the one they decided to take photos of, for whatever reason.
 
Not sure if deciding the 'hero' saber by 'whichever one was photographed' is a good idea.
I'm sure there are more photos of this prop that haven't been released to the public yet
 
And yet they are both still considered the "stunt" lightsabers.

Surely they are considered the stunt sabers because they were the stunt sabers, ie. they did the stunts (duel) with them.

Belloq puts it well in his above post. Gregatron has helpfully made his point clearer for me & I agree with both as they don't conflict.

From what I've learned doing my stunt saber research, I don't think crew &/or director regarded any one hilt as 'the' anything. They (more than one of each sort) get used for certain purposes in specific scenes. The black bars hilt, as Belloq points out, got the longer screen time & the closer in shots. Presumably this was GL's choice.

I feel the red LED strip was chosen specifically to show difference to the bubble strip of the 'goodguys' & continue the good vs evil theme. The silver side bars for longer / less important shots to reduce chances of mishap the black bars one.
 
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