Dark Knight Rises

I don't like all the comparisons being made between The Dark Knight and The Avengers. Yeah, they are superhero movies, but other than that they have very little in common. It makes me think of when people compare Star Trek to Star Wars.

Am I alone here?

BTW: The Dark Knight Rises is going to be awesome. Just sayin'.
 
Saw the Avengers last night. Great ride at the movies and well worth the ticket price. Nolan's vision of Batman? Amazing films but in a different sense. Far darker and more complex. Each have their strengths, but to compare the two is like apples to oranges. Two different kinds of films completely.

I think that as long as fans remember that Batman is the central character in the series, they will probably enjoy The Dark Knight Rises. As important and amazing as the rogue's gallery of Batman villains are, Batman is still the central figure of the story. What makes the villains so fantastic is how more often than not, they tend to be the flip side of Batman, and so in a story telling sense, the hero and villains superbly compliment one another.
 
I had this discussion after seeing Avengers with my friends on Saturday. They said TDKR has a lot to live up to. My explanation for the difference in the films was this.

I like Speilberg movies. I like Raiders and Saving Private Ryan. Both have nazis, but are totally different. Just because they are from the same director, same time period, and have the same "villian" you can't say they are the same, or easily comparable.

That seemd to get my point across..
 
Davard74 said:
I had this discussion after seeing Avengers with my friends on Saturday. They said TDKR has a lot to live up to. My explanation for the difference in the films was this.

I like Speilberg movies. I like Raiders and Saving Private Ryan. Both have nazis, but are totally different. Just because they are from the same director, same time period, and have the same "villian" you can't say they are the same, or easily comparable.

That seemd to get my point across..
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Except that the Dark Knight Rises is being directed by Chrisopher Nolan, not Joss Whedon. Joss Whedon has nothing to do with The Dark Knight Rises.

And Saving Private Ryan is a war movie that's supposed to be grounded in reality, both the Dark Knight Rises and the Avengers just do whatever the heck they want. Sure, TDK may be more realistic, but it's no where near the level of difference between Raiders and Ryan.
 
Jeyl said:
Except that the Dark Knight Rises is being directed by Chrisopher Nolan, not Joss Whedon. Joss Whedon has nothing to do with The Dark Knight Rises.

And Saving Private Ryan is a war movie that's supposed to be grounded in reality, both the Dark Knight Rises and the Avengers just do whatever the heck they want. Sure, TDK may be more realistic, but it's no where near the level of difference between Raiders and Ryan.
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Yes I know all of that. You simultaneously proved my point and missed it at the same time.

For reference the person I was talking to, who is a good friend, loves all 3 Transformers movies, and is looking forward to seeing Battleship. He likes the big explosions, and tons of action over story and character develpoment. To each their own...

His argument was.. They are both comic book movies, and super hero movies. So in that regard they should be similar. My response was what I said above.

My examples I gave are not for comparison to TDKR and Avengers, but to be compared to each other. The movies I mentioned had those things in common; director, time period, and basic same villan. The point was that even though the movies I mentioned have those things in common, they are not the same. I could have gone with prison films. Shawshank Redemption and Lock up. Both have guys in prison and deal with a nasty warden, but one is a great film the other is not.

That was the point. That just becasue 2 things have some similarities, does not mean by deffinition they should be similar in every way.
 
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Davard74 said:
Yes I know all of that. You simultaneously proved my point and missed it at the same time.
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You're point was that Steven Spielberg, one man, is capable of directing two films in completely different genres. On the other hand, The Dark Knight Rises and the Avengers are done by two different directors directing their own super hero movie.

What I was saying in my original reply was that your comparison wasn't a good one because it doesn't fit with how the Dark Knight Rises is different from Raiders of the Lost Arc. Saving Private Ryan is a realistic war story that's marketed towards a very adult audience with soldiers risking their lives for something they all have mixed feelings about. Raiders of the Lost Ark is an action movie thats marketed towards a much younger audience about an archeologist who fights the super natural and the evil nazis with whip swinging, car chases and romance. The Dark Knight Rises is about a super hero fighting an evil man who wants to destroy things, where as the Avengers is about a group of Super heroes fighting an evil man who wants to destroy things. Both are summer action movies, rated PG-13, and are marketed towards the same audience.

Do I think they're going to be alike? No, I just wouldn't use your comparison.
 
Jeyl said:
The Dark Knight Rises is about a super hero fighting an evil man who wants to destroy things...
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Batman's not a superhero. He's a vigilante. So, it's a film about a vigilante fighting an evil man who wants to destroy things.
 
CB2001 said:
Batman's not a superhero. He's a vigilante. So, it's a film about a vigilante fighting an evil man who wants to destroy things.
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A Superhero does not mean they have super powers. A vigilante can be a superhero. And most places refer to Batman as a superhero. Cripes, even Bob Kane referred to Batman as a superhero.
 
Jeyl said:
A Superhero does not mean they have super powers. A vigilante can be a superhero. And most places refer to Batman as a superhero. Cripes, even Bob Kane referred to Batman as a superhero.
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You do realize I was talking about Nolan's film version of Batman, where he's been referred to as an anonymous vigilante on more than one occasion, right? Because I never said anything about the comics or about there not being superpowers. Since Nolan has prided his films being based on some sort of realism, realistically, Batman would be labeled a vigilante in a real world environment (as he has been in the film), not as a superhero.
 
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I don't think CB2001 meant to argue that Batman is not a superhero. I think he was just pointing out a technicality.
 
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