Comparison Original Vs SDS V Original
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GINO
Sr Member
I couldn't disagree more.
Accuracy is not subjective.
Personal taste is subjective.
Accuracy can be quantified, verified, measured, and proven.
I could very easily put together a "move along" style helmet that would match the original from the parts I have now. Simply because they are ALL THE SAME PARTS. Outside of sharpness of pull (meaning sharpness of details only), and assembly.
I would say your "eye" is playing tricks on you or it isn't as sharp as you think it is.
Accuracy is not subjective.
Personal taste is subjective.
Accuracy can be quantified, verified, measured, and proven.
I could very easily put together a "move along" style helmet that would match the original from the parts I have now. Simply because they are ALL THE SAME PARTS. Outside of sharpness of pull (meaning sharpness of details only), and assembly.
I would say your "eye" is playing tricks on you or it isn't as sharp as you think it is.
It is impossible for the SDS to come from a prototype helmet....the prototypes are just too way off in many respects from the SDS and the originals...
Nor do the insides of the SDS and prototype helmet match.
In fact, the prototype suffers from the same shorter face as the TE helmet...
And the teeth on the original helmets were trimmed differently...but comparing more than one original TK helmet with the SDS shows that there's nothing wrong with the SDS teeth.
And the real story lies between the teeth of the SDS TIE pilot helmet face. There, the gaps between the teeth are not cut out. Look inside at those gaps and you will find a signature of indentations and shapes on the SDS that clearly indicate that it is from the original mold...as those indentations are sharper than even a documented original TIE helmet from 1976.
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I would hurry if I were you.
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that's what you and others kept saying a year ago....the next phase could take months...
Nor do the insides of the SDS and prototype helmet match.
In fact, the prototype suffers from the same shorter face as the TE helmet...
And the teeth on the original helmets were trimmed differently...but comparing more than one original TK helmet with the SDS shows that there's nothing wrong with the SDS teeth.
And the real story lies between the teeth of the SDS TIE pilot helmet face. There, the gaps between the teeth are not cut out. Look inside at those gaps and you will find a signature of indentations and shapes on the SDS that clearly indicate that it is from the original mold...as those indentations are sharper than even a documented original TIE helmet from 1976.
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I would hurry if I were you.
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that's what you and others kept saying a year ago....the next phase could take months...
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
You point out the short face. The SDS has a longer face than the screencap you posted. Let me guess, trick of the camera?
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Here's an old ear comparison I did...
The hero ears look more like SDS ears...
The rear swoop curvature varied among helmets. So too did the rear trapezoids vary a bit in height. Amazing. :lol
Here are more comparisons of the rear of different screen helmets and how the swoop can vary....so that's not a diagnostic feature of any single helmet. I showed all of these here long ago and far away.
Yes...it would still be nice to see more rear swoop on the SDS...but that's not going to make or break the authenticity of the rear cap IMHO...
Here's an old ear comparison I did...
The hero ears look more like SDS ears...
The rear swoop curvature varied among helmets. So too did the rear trapezoids vary a bit in height. Amazing. :lol
Here are more comparisons of the rear of different screen helmets and how the swoop can vary....so that's not a diagnostic feature of any single helmet. I showed all of these here long ago and far away
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Yes...it would still be nice to see more rear swoop on the SDS...but that's not going to make or break the authenticity of the rear cap IMHO...
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So do you think this is another conspiracy, that for some dark reason I've hidden certain shots?
I took a whole load of photos when at Christies of the four helmets in the auction. However I was more interested in the originals than thinking "oh wait I must make sure I get the SDS and Move Along at this angle".
Honestly 765, you really need to lighten up.either that or with respect get away from the keyboard and do some hands on research rather than trying to suggest there's a conspiracy as to why I didnt take the picture you wanted to see :rolleyes)
Cheers
Jez
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Typical Jez, oh so the drama and always trying to put words in peoples mouths :lol
I just find it interesting that with all back and forth on accuracy regarding the AA helmet, you with the perfect opportunity to prove how wonderfully exact and perfect the AA helmet is to the two screen used helmets, thats the best you can do with comparison shots..... :lol
If anyone needs to lighten up, based on your post, I think it would need to be you.
So do you think this is another conspiracy, that for some dark reason I've hidden certain shots?
I took a whole load of photos when at Christies of the four helmets in the auction. However I was more interested in the originals than thinking "oh wait I must make sure I get the SDS and Move Along at this angle".
Honestly 765, you really need to lighten up.
either that or with respect get away from the keyboard and do some hands on research rather than trying to suggest there's a conspiracy as to why I didnt take the picture you wanted to see :rolleyes)Cheers
Jez
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Typical Jez, oh so the drama and always trying to put words in peoples mouths :lol
I just find it interesting that with all back and forth on accuracy regarding the AA helmet, you with the perfect opportunity to prove how wonderfully exact and perfect the AA helmet is to the two screen used helmets, thats the best you can do with comparison shots..... :lol
If anyone needs to lighten up, based on your post, I think it would need to be you.
Chris Martin
Well-Known Member
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For the record, I vac form runs like this at work and I can make them identical. If you use the same mould and heat the plastic for exactly the same length of time and your mould is at a working temperature, they come out EXACTLY the same each time. Styrene is so formable that even if heating times vary quite a bit, you'll get a pull that is essentially the same shape. Only the detail might be not quite as sharp. The overall contours will still match the pattern.
For the record, I vac form runs like this at work and I can make them identical. If you use the same mould and heat the plastic for exactly the same length of time and your mould is at a working temperature, they come out EXACTLY the same each time. Styrene is so formable that even if heating times vary quite a bit, you'll get a pull that is essentially the same shape. Only the detail might be not quite as sharp. The overall contours will still match the pattern.
Star Wars Helmets
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>(TK765 @ Oct 2 2006, 01:58 AM) [snapback]1330211[/snapback]</div>
But thats the point, the photos werent for "mass consumption" which is why its taken me a year to be bothered to post them since i knew people like you would find fault even if there was nothing in the photos they could point to.
Like I said, if you want better pics to disprove the accuracy of the SDS then
1) step away from your keyboard
2) go do some proper research rather than criticising others for not taking the pics you want to prove your counter theory
Sorry but its just lazy. Maybe the only time you've seen an original helmet was at Toys R Us when you were six. If you really want to really contribute to the discussion then do some of the graft yourself.
I took 13 shots to compare the SDS with the originals. I took close to one hundred of the originals on their own as that was the point to my being there.
I've posted the 13 to try and provide some balance and perspective. Thank you for yours.
Cheers
Jez
But thats the point, the photos werent for "mass consumption" which is why its taken me a year to be bothered to post them since i knew people like you would find fault even if there was nothing in the photos they could point to.
Like I said, if you want better pics to disprove the accuracy of the SDS then
1) step away from your keyboard
2) go do some proper research rather than criticising others for not taking the pics you want to prove your counter theory
Sorry but its just lazy. Maybe the only time you've seen an original helmet was at Toys R Us when you were six. If you really want to really contribute to the discussion then do some of the graft yourself.
I took 13 shots to compare the SDS with the originals. I took close to one hundred of the originals on their own as that was the point to my being there.
I've posted the 13 to try and provide some balance and perspective. Thank you for yours.
Cheers
Jez
exoray
Master Member
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And that is the point I have made before, "where's the rear swoop?" you can argue untill you are blue in the face but there is no way that the same molds would create two completely different shapes... The rear swoop is clear on all real helmets (short of beyond conclusion fuzzy pics) and it is totally void on all SDS helmets...
There is only one thing that can account for the lack of a swoop, a different mold, be it a "new" mold or a completely redone/reworked mold... Take that we have AA's word :unsure that there was nothing reworked in that area so the only logical conclusion left is that it's a different mold...
And that is the point I have made before, "where's the rear swoop?" you can argue untill you are blue in the face but there is no way that the same molds would create two completely different shapes... The rear swoop is clear on all real helmets (short of beyond conclusion fuzzy pics) and it is totally void on all SDS helmets...
There is only one thing that can account for the lack of a swoop, a different mold, be it a "new" mold or a completely redone/reworked mold... Take that we have AA's word :unsure that there was nothing reworked in that area so the only logical conclusion left is that it's a different mold...
strange... i feel as though i've seen this thread somewhere before.
Star Wars Helmets
Sr Member
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Its okay, you're just entering the Twilight Zone....
Cheers
Jez
Its okay, you're just entering the Twilight Zone....
Cheers
Jez
<div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ Oct 1 2006, 07:45 PM) [snapback]1330144[/snapback]</div>
I would hurry if I were you.
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that's what you and others kept saying a year ago....the next phase could take months...
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It could take a year, who knows?
I just don't want David left out in the cold or worse, having an order in if and when AA declares bankruptcy. :unsure
I would hurry if I were you.
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that's what you and others kept saying a year ago....the next phase could take months...[/b][/quote]
It could take a year, who knows?
I just don't want David left out in the cold or worse, having an order in if and when AA declares bankruptcy. :unsure
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I've already done it, see my pics above I guess smooshing up to AA all these years has blinded your vision.
Obviously being AA's buddy and getting up close looks at many screen helmets over the years hasn't helped your ability to see the differences :lol
What were all those perks you got for being AA's partner in cri.....er salesman by the way????
Oh I was 12 and I can still tell the difference between a real trooper helmet and one being passed off as one better than you can. :rolleyes I guess you can count as well as you can see the flaws in an AA helmet.
Please lets hear you explaination on why the back of the helmet and ears had to be resculpted.....
or why the center tooth on the AA is skinnier than the screen used helmets.....
or why the ears had to be resculpted......
Funny how you always ignore the evidence and always go on the attack.
Why don't you take your own advice and stay with the topic at hand.
Cheers
I've already done it, see my pics above
I guess smooshing up to AA all these years has blinded your vision.Obviously being AA's buddy and getting up close looks at many screen helmets over the years hasn't helped your ability to see the differences :lol
What were all those perks you got for being AA's partner in cri.....er salesman by the way????
Oh I was 12 and I can still tell the difference between a real trooper helmet and one being passed off as one better than you can. :rolleyes I guess you can count as well as you can see the flaws in an AA helmet.
Please lets hear you explaination on why the back of the helmet and ears had to be resculpted.....
or why the center tooth on the AA is skinnier than the screen used helmets.....
or why the ears had to be resculpted......
Funny how you always ignore the evidence and always go on the attack.
Why don't you take your own advice and stay with the topic at hand.
Cheers
DARKSIDE72
Sr Member
:rolleyes
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