Boycott Parks Sabers

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  1. gokarosama

    gokarosama Well-Known Member

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    The original 13 + page thread has been deleted or has (perhaps more likely) dropped off the board, as has the thread by Ghost Host outlining the outrageous treatment he received from Jeff Parks.

    In any case, there were almost 100 members on the boycott list. That it is now gone perhaps indicates lack of interest. That's fine, and perhaps it was my responsibility to keep it on the board--the administration's view was that they had no view on the matter.

    It may seem disingenuous of me to now bring it up again, but I would hate for Steve's plight, boycott or no, to be forgotten.

    Edit:
    SUMMARY (EDIT: Steve himself has written a more precise account on page 3 of this thread):

    1. Long ago, Parks comes on the RPF looking for an MPP for his new line of replicas.

    2. Steve (Ghost Host) offers his, which is worth about 800$ and is perfect. An arrangement is made that he will get it back soon, and he is given a few Parks items for his trouble.

    3. Months pass.

    4. Steve asks about progress.

    5. More time passes. Steve asks again. Then more time passes, and he asks again.

    6. Parks MPP replicas go on sale (though incomplete).

    7. Much much much later, Steve gets his MPP back. So he thinks. What he receives is actually his MPP tube, but parts are missing, and some original parts are replaced with replica parts.

    8. Steve inquires what's up? And gets no response.

    9. He inquires again, and again, nothing. Finally Parks shoots back with a testy email saying if Steve continues to ask, he will never get any explanation or recompense, "RPF or no RPF."

    10. Steve makes this all public, here. We, certain RPF members, start a completely unofficial boycott until Jeff is willing to settle up. At which time the boycott will end. The RPF staff refuses to take any position.

    11. Jeff ignores Steve, and the boycott. Various RPF members blame it on China, on miscommunication, on Steve, on the cosmos. Various RPF members continue to buy from Parks. Jeff Parks never makes the effort to apologize to, acknowledge the dilemma of, or assist Steve.

    THE NEW LIST OF PEOPLE BOYCOTTING PARKS SABERS (alphabetically by RPF member name)
    UPDATED: September, 2006

    apollo
    Beorn Tordensjold
    BigJoe88
    Cenobyte
    Darkknight0667
    Darth Kahnt
    Don Solo
    frosty
    g-force
    Ghost Host.
    gokarosama
    Gytheran
    Henriko 2
    Holy Zoo
    hydin
    ihs
    KarlBud420
    KingNothing
    Lello99
    lesternessman
    MaddChinaMan
    LittleOleBountyhunter
    NEKROFANATIC
    neosporing
    Nexus6
    Notorious
    Phayze
    Pilot
    Planettera
    pOsitrOnic
    Propsculptor
    rad1701
    sithmasterjedi
    Skalen Fehl
    SoloNomo
    Sporak
    vader71
    vaderdarth
    voice in the crowd
    wuher da brewer
     
  2. propsculptor

    propsculptor Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I was on the original list, add me to the New list...
     
  3. KarlBud420

    KarlBud420 Well-Known Member

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    /sign
     
  4. BigJoe88

    BigJoe88 Well-Known Member

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    /sign .....again
     
  5. Probe Droid

    Probe Droid Master Member

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    Why don't you refresh folks' memories on the reasons for the boycott.
     
  6. g-force

    g-force New Member

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    I wasn't on the old list. Sign me up.

    I've decided to try to replace the few Parks items I have. I'm down to 1 and would love to have a Larbel Graflex replica to replace it.

    -G
     
  7. Vaapad_VII

    Vaapad_VII New Member

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    Being new here, I'll take a refresher - why are people boycotting parks?
     
  8. lonepigeon

    lonepigeon Sr Member

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    The original thread was just bumped last week.
    It didn't fall off the board.
    Perhaps the mods moved it? You should check with them.
     
  9. Treadwell

    Treadwell Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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  10. Gytheran

    Gytheran Sr Member

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    It seems each of those threads are somewhat different than the intent of the "boycott thread". I suggest turning this one into the new boycott thread(if you so wish). If you do so, please add me to the list... again. :)
     
  11. Apollo

    Apollo Legendary Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Signed/again.
     
  12. KingNothing

    KingNothing Well-Known Member

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    /signed.
     
  13. Cenobyte

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    Just a short synopsis.

    GH lent Jeff parks an original MPP with teh understanding that he would receive it back in the conditioned lent.

    When it was returned it was NOT in the same condition and as well had NEW Parks pieces replaced on it and who knows where the original pieces went.

    When it was asked about getting the original parts (GH also admitted he was a bit harsh, but if I lent an MPP and received it back with no warning that it had replacement parts and not in the same condition, I would be * also) Jeff Parks basically told him to screw off and he was not going to get anything replaced or compensation.

    Short and sweet
     
  14. Planettera

    Planettera Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I was in the old list, and would like to be added to the new on as well.
     
  15. micdavis

    micdavis Master Member

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    Now hang on there Butch.

    As I understand it Jeff was not AWARE that replacement parts had been added to the MPP. I also undertand he attempted to get the original parts back but they were in CHINA and no one there knew or could tell the difference in the parts.

    Certainly his responsibility and he surely didn't handle it to well.

    But let's not re-write history.
     
  16. lesternessman

    lesternessman Well-Known Member

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  17. sithmasterjedi

    sithmasterjedi Well-Known Member

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    I've never dealt with parks. I have heard that his sabers are nice but it takes a long time to fill orders. I have also heard about his customer service being not so great. Personally I like my MR and have no interest in ordering any parks sabers so.......signed
     
  18. k.g.b 13

    k.g.b 13 New Member

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    i ordered one of parks sabers about 6 years ago (the rouge i believe)and tyhe shipping was great , got in les than a week ,the week before christmas , and also called him once about a saber related question and got great "customer" service,,

    but that was years ago so as far as i can see he was a cool guy back then
     
  19. micdavis

    micdavis Master Member

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    He still is a cool guy.

    He has 10,000 customers, and * off a few people here.

    They find it necessary to drag him through the mud.

    "Rather childish really"
     
  20. Gytheran

    Gytheran Sr Member

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    Yeah, he's a cool guy. He just screwed over one of his business associates.
     
  21. Vaapad_VII

    Vaapad_VII New Member

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    My only experience with parks is a group order for Graflex flash units, and that went smoothly. Are people having trouble with more complicated things like EL sabers? Or is it with kits and parts too?
     
  22. tripoli

    tripoli Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I have been a strong customer and strong advocate of Parks sabers. But he did take responsibility for it when loaned to him and upon learning the situation told GH to go screw himself. He also used his religion as the basis for justifying his actions afterwards. Finally, he is making a good profit off another board members lose and refuses to rectify the lose ignoring it now.
    Not exactly Christian like, as judge by this lay minister.

    Up to all to decide if they want to support a fellow member here or turn their heads away from it. Is this place really a community or just a resource for you on the web?
    You vote with your own conscience and support.

    Resign me up.
     
  23. Gytheran

    Gytheran Sr Member

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    No, this is involving the transaction that gave Jeff the template for his Vader Saber for his USKs.
     
  24. gokarosama

    gokarosama Well-Known Member

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    The first post has been edited, summarizing the events which led up to the boycott. There is also a list of boycott members.

    If you want to be added to that list, please post here.
     
  25. Durasteel Corporation

    Durasteel Corporation Well-Known Member

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    micdavis....how is it childish to hold someone accountable for

    a] * someone over by never returning their loaned piece

    b] never compensating them for it

    c] never apoligizing for it

    d] and....which I believe to be the worst offense: PROFITTING on somenes loss without bothering to compensate them.


    C'mon, You dont treat people-- who help make you a profit --like that.

    That was childish.
     
  26. Lello999

    Lello999 Well-Known Member

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    HI there

    Once again put me on the list.

    Domenik
     
  27. SPDOmegaRanger

    SPDOmegaRanger Well-Known Member

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    albeit this post will make people think about dealing with park sabers but in the end they will or will not deal with him its up to there preogative
     
  28. p0sitr0nic

    p0sitr0nic Well-Known Member

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    i was on the list... re add me.
     
  29. Notorious

    Notorious New Member

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    i was on the original list, resign me up
     
  30. NEKROFANATIC

    NEKROFANATIC Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    list me, si vous plait...
     
  31. vaderdarth

    vaderdarth Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Put me on the list too. I used to be a strong advocate for the guy. He has crappy ethics, which by itself warrant the boycott. If Micdavis can sleep at night knowing that, that then so be it. I can't personally recommend the guy for the fact that I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. I even cancelled an order with Parks I'd placed once I'd heard GH's issue with the guy. I'll take my business elsewhere. He and I used to talk about our personal religious beliefs and he convinced me he was a Christian. Too bad his actions don't mirror his claims.

    Dave :(
     
  32. Phayze

    Phayze Well-Known Member

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    I'll sign.

    The last time I saw the original thread I didn't know enough about what happened to have an opinion, but I feel pretty comfortable boycotting now. I can't afford his stuff anyway. ;)
     
  33. Nexus6

    Nexus6 Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Been boycotting, still boycotting. /re-signed
     
  34. CMANavy

    CMANavy Sr Member

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    Well before joining up here I placed an order for one of his sabers so I cant really boycott him. I don;t even know the guy and every one gets at least one shot in my book.
     
  35. Skalen Fehl

    Skalen Fehl Well-Known Member

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    That's not cool. Sign me up too.
     
  36. rad1701

    rad1701 Sr Member

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    I was on it before and you can add me again. Customers should always be first and foremost in any business. Treat them well and with respect. Then they will stick with you.
     
  37. Durasteel Corporation

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    very true. Unfortunately moral backbone is in short demand these days.

    If people only turned the table and truly, genuinely thought, 'hey what if this happened to me' ...how would I feel.

    (hint, youd be * off).

    But again, the hoarding collecting mentality often overshadows any nagging morality that might exists. Kinda like the old expression:

    'the environmentalist is the guy who built his cabin in the woods last year'

    translation: as long as I get my stuff, Im happy. Once I get it, Ill sign the list.


    :eek:
     
  38. Darkknight0667

    Darkknight0667 Sr Member

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    Put me back on the list, Phillip. I've been on the receiving end of both great and lousy service from different businesses. I reward companies that give good service and withhold my business from those that don't. Like everyone, I work hard for my money, and companies that treat those they're in business with like Parks treated GH, are not worthy of receiving my money.
     
  39. frosty

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    Add me to the list,
     
  40. Holy Zoo

    Holy Zoo New Member

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    I was on the old list, and am still boycotting.

    Add me to it again.

    Note: prior to the boycott, I'd spent $700+ on Parks stuff. Jeff, your *are* losing sales because of this.
     
  41. JediG60racer

    JediG60racer Sr Member

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    Unfortunately, most people joining the boycott list have not bothered to get both sides of the story from the people involved, and have less than half the facts by which they are forming their opinions. I call that a lack of moral backbone, because the lack of effort involved is promoting intellectual dishonesty and moral laziness, while promoting a bandwagon mentality.

    There are far more facts involved than were ever brought to light here on the RPF. If you want them, go talk to the people directly involved. I don't find that it would be particularly productive for me to present them myself, because I would be yet another bystander piping up with my commentary.
     
  42. voice in the crowd

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    The fact is expensive pieces in great condition were borrowed and returned in poor condition. Sounds like it was a struggle to get the pieces back to their rightful owner as well. Very poor form :thumbsdown .

    This is indefensible so stick me back on the bandwagon.

    Sign me up again for the boycott.
     
  43. clonesix

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    I don't think anyone blames parks (not even GH) for the missing parts. They were probably replaced by some unknown chinese engineer who had no idea of the difference. THe original parts were, most likely tossed in a bin of 1000 other identicle parts.

    The blame, and hence the boycott is directed at how Mr Park's dealt with it. He blew off GH instead of taking responsibility for the rare items that were trusted to his care.

    I don't buy sabers, so it means nothing if I say that I wouldn't buy from Mr Parks, But I sure as HE "Double Hockey Sticks" wouldn't lend him anything.
     
  44. Apollo

    Apollo Legendary Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Untill it happens to you.

    He is a total * imo.
     
  45. Apollo

    Apollo Legendary Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    :rolleyes Riiiggghhhtt. :rolleyes
     
  46. hydin

    hydin Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    i was on the old list, add me to the new list as well..


    chris
     
  47. Durasteel Corporation

    Durasteel Corporation Well-Known Member

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    well said
     
  48. gokarosama

    gokarosama Well-Known Member

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    I've updated the list (12-08). Thanks to all supporters.
     
  49. Nexus6

    Nexus6 Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Psst. I'm only a Nexus6. Not a 66. :D
     
  50. gokarosama

    gokarosama Well-Known Member

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    :lol

    So noted....
     
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