Black Widow [The Avengers (2012)] - DragonCon 2013

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Last night (early this morning?), I posted up the WIP thread for my husband's Hawkeye costume. Today, I've pulled together most of my WIP images so far for my own Black Widow costume. I've not gotten as far, but I'm hoping to gather some steam in the next couple of months...when I'm sitting still long enough, anyway.

Like everyone else, I started with a lot of reference photos -- mainly high-res and BluRay screen caps. I've also really appreciated the work done on here by Aeryn and Stretch, whose WIP threads have been really helpful as I've plotted my strategy.

There were two patterns to consider: Kwik Sew 3052 and Jalie 2800 (which then requires Jalie 2916, altered). While the Kwik Sew would be fairly easy, there would be a lot more work involved, adding seams and seam allowances, and reworking construction methods. Jalie 2800 offers a lot of the correct seams to start with -- including the princess lines -- and would require a lot less tweaking. So I opted for Jalie 2800, and ordered the companion pattern, 2916.

Then comes the matter of fabric: It seems no one can find *the* fabric for reasonable cost. So I set out to find something with stretch, reasonable body, and without too much of a sheen. I ended up finding some stretch crepe at the local fabric store that seemed to fit the bill, along with some herringbone fold over elastic (FOE) to use for the trim. Here, you'll see where I tested the fabric finishes together with the "drape" of the FOE:

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I've gained something like 15 lbs since we moved up north, owing to a little less exercise and a lot less healthier food options. As a result, I've been reluctant to start on the suit. I finally decided I could start on the top, as the weight gain there hasn't been quite as bad as other places. I cut the pattern to the appropriate size, then started testing it out on some of the stretch crepe in a grey/blue. (Apologies for the grainy pic!)

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I ran into a snag as I tried to install the zipper -- the stretch of the fabric made it virtually impossible to get it sewn in evenly. Since this portion won't be stretching, however, I decided that I'll be using strips of interfacing to stabilize the area before trying again.

Three other revelations came out of this:

1) The stretch crepe, while nice, is likely not suited for the purpose. It is a bit too lightweight to provide the necessary body to the twin-needle stitched seams, such as the princess lines. I've opted for a "high performance knit" I found a while back at Hancock Fabrics. It has a bit more body to it, and I've worked with it before, making yoga pants. It has a bit more sheen than I'd like but it's as close as any, I think.

2) The 1/4" seam allowance on the pattern are not long enough to accommodate the twin-needle stitched seams. Seam allowances will have to be extended.

3) The stretch crepe may not be suited for an Avengers-style Black Widow, but the blue/gray version would work perfectly for an IM2 variant. (Which I've now added to the "to do" list...)

This week, I've put the soft products aside and went to work on the props. First up, the cartridge pouches on her belt. I'd originally thought to use the floss boxes, as Stretch did for hers, but soon found that those didn't quite have the right flap on them for my use. So, using the floss box as a model, I then developed a pattern on brown paper. I used transferred the pattern on to a sheet of craft foam...

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...and knocked together a quickie prototype with some hot glue.

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My gluing skills need some work, but overall, I was pleased. Building with foam means I'll need to seal it before painting; I'll also need to figure out what to use as cartridges on the inside. I'd love to find some lighter weight caster wheels, but so far what I've found in the right size would be too heavy to be supported by the foam or on my belt. So, I'm still on the look out.

That's it for the moment. I've ordered 3D prints of the Black Widow buckle (courtesy GraphicJordan), and a prototype Widow Bite, both of which I plan on casting with the loverly Smooth-On products I just received. It will be my first experience dealing with molding and casting, so I'm a bit nervous about it...Doesn't help that I'm going to need the Newfoundland weather to cooperate. (Hah!) This costume -- and my husband's Hawkeye -- will be pushing me well beyond my comfort zone. Here's to learning new skills!
 
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Wow, this is an impressive start! Really, YOU did a lot of research: Patterns, fabric, 3D-prints... And I wished I had a mentor to teach me sewing! So I will follow your posts with interest. Your detailed description is great, it helps me so much to understand and (maybe) to improve my english. Keep it up!
 
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Markandson: Thanks! I think I'm guilty sometimes of enjoying the research part too much and getting too frustrated with the actual construction. I get to a point where I just want it done, and I want it done yesterday! Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. I think I need a TARDIS... ;)

Not a lot to update, really...I've not even touched this in about three weeks, between working on the Hawkeye stuff, and travelling. I did find another fabric that might work: Stretch Hologram (H-1626) at Spandex House. Most of the other laminated hologram products are too shiny, but this one isn't. I had them send me a sample. Seeing it in person, it looks to be something like a reverse of the actual fabric -- where the hero fabric seems to be printed/laminated and the dots "natural," this fabric from SpandexHouse has the dots printed/laminated instead. Still, I was pretty happy with what I saw, and grinning at the possibilities -- enough so that I ordered 4 yards. Just in case. My only wish is that it were on a bit heavier weight spandex.

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The weather is finally clearing and warming a bit, so I'll be making some of my first forays into molding and casting soon. I'm anxious about it, but have to suck it up and get it done. Especially not looking forward to casting 22 widow bites. Ugh. Patience is so not one of my virtues!
 
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Last night, I started experimenting a bit with the various bits of spandex in my stash. Having watched a video by Jalie Patterns, showing how easy it can be to sew knits with a regular machine, I was extremely frustrated when I couldn't seem to keep my spandex from gradually sliding to the left; I don't know that there was a single straight seam to be had on anything I messed with last night. Normally, I would have just hopped over to the serger and tested it out. Unfortunately, there are a few construction elements on the Widow suit that need a seam allowance, so the serger is out of the question for at least some of the construction.

After some sleep, I hopped back up into the sewing room, determined to find a solution. The end result? A walking foot with a narrow zigzag/stretch stitch on the machine. It gave me the least amount of distortion on the seam while allowing the necessary flexibility on the seam.

That resolved, I set to figuring the seam allowances. At present, I'm planning to go with the standard 5/8" allowance. Since the pattern requires only 1/4", I'll be tracing and recutting shortly.

I need seam allowances in various places on the suit: Knees; princess lines; forearm; upper shoulder. These seams appear to have been pressed and then the allowances top-stitched down. To that end, I tried two different methods. In the first (on the left), I sewed the seam with the appropriate stitch, then pressed it open. Once the fabric had cooled, I ran the fabric through the machine again, giving myself a 1/8" distance between the seam and my stitches. I repeated it on the opposite side of the seam. In the second (on the right), I was wired for sound... er, I threaded up my twin needle and went to work.

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As you can see, the left looks more accurate. The right sample, however, offers more stretch and flexibility because of the twin needle stitch. I think I'll be going in search of a wider twin needle this weekend.

With all of those things settled, I moved on to testing my elastic trim. As noted in the first post, I've found some herringbone patterned fold over elastic that I think will work well. I wasn't disappointed! It took a little fiddling -- and removal of the walking foot (it didn't like the zigzag) -- but I think I have my construction method down here, too.

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It's not a very clean application, as I fiddled with stitch width, length, and style as I went along. The walking foot did not work well with this, skipping stitches every inch or so. Switching back to the "standard" foot remedied this and cleaned up the lines a lot.

Given how good this hologram spandex actually looks, I'm really curious to see the matte hologram I ordered, all stitched up. If not, I still have the high performance stuff in the wings.

..and apologies for the cell phone pics. The point and shoot was still charging. =\
 
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So I've been waiting forever to get my material in for the bodysuit and now that I have it here, I'm hesitant to get started on that portion. I still want to tone a few things up before I get to that point though, with my gym closed for remodeling, I'm not sure just how feasible that's going to be. In the interim, I've been working on a few things -- this is what the marker board in my sewing room looks like:

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Clint. Tasha. Valkyrie. Multi-tasking, anyone? With lots of construction notes, too.

Having gotten Clint's shooting glove done and Val's armor formed, I decided I needed to do something for Tasha. So I started playing around with the COBRA buckle and some cordura. I'm not entirely happy with the final product, but I think it looks good enough for my purposes. I then drafted a pattern for the belt keepers, and threw those together this afternoon.

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I still need to install the snaps, and get the holsters rigged up, but I'm getting there. The cordura is a PITA to work with!

Tomorrow, back to pilates, which will cut into my crafting time considerably. Hoping to at least get some test painting done for Val's armor and cut Clint's arrows.

EDIT: Another review and I'm even less happy with the finish product. I've made about 4 belts in the past week, and I've not had success with any one version. At this point, what you see above is what I'll be going with... unless I have the time and patience to come back to it later. Sewing the cordura is fine, but rolling it over the seam prior to the "stitch in the ditch" is what's getting to me. Probably time to put it down and step away from the sewing machine...
 
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So I took a break from the detail work and I'm much happier with the belt and belt keepers. Because working with the cordura can be something of a pain, I opted to work on something a little more... normal... and pulled together a few tank tops to wear as Black Widow's civvies. I'm pretty happy with the results:

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The brown tank is a simple, single knit -- almost a lightweight sweater-like material. It's a bit too brown for the "Central Park civvies," and lacks the pleats, but gives the right overall feel, and goes well with both the color palate and my coloring. And the jacket is one of my favorite bargains, found on clearance at the Wilson's Leather outlet near home. I love it! I still need to break in the ankle boots, though.

The black jacket isn't quite screen accurate, either, but the leather jacket I already had wasn't quite right. This one's a faux leather with similar lines as the screen-worn, also a Wilson's outlet find. I've already got the dark wash jeans, and will be able to wear my wedge boots with this to complete the look.

Next, a trip back to the States. Once I get back, I start construction on the bodysuit!
 
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With the days ticking by a little too quickly, I finally decided I didn't have enough margin for error to create my own bites, belt buckle, and belt pouches. Digging around online, I found a pic on DeviantArt, where an Aussie Black Widow had a really nice buckle and set of pouches. I did some research and found the prop maker she used, "Perfect Tommy Automail", had a shop on Etsy. I contacted him through the site and asked if he could do bites, buckle, and pouches. I supplied him with a pic of the bites, and he went to work. Within two weeks, I had my stuff!

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The color scheme on the belt pouches isn't quite screen accurate, but it's still better than what I would have managed, being the first time I'd have tried to sculpt, mold, and cast. The belt buckle is actually on a metal base, with black leather inset. The bites are my fave -- great detail and an awesome finish on something that feels very sturdy and should hold up to the abuse of con wear.

Tomorrow, I'm hoping to cut and start construction of my Valkyrie bodysuit. That will essentially be my dry run for Black Widow, though the construction for BW is going to be a bit more complicated with the details. In the interim, I still have to finish up the holster rig.
 
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Slowly but surely carving away at my to do list! So far, I still haven't cut fabric, but have been working on the details. Today, I set out with the goal of finishing my holster rig. It's now 8 PM, and dinner should be ready soon, so... I'm guessing I'm about 60% complete at this point. (I got waylaid by some issues with the first coat of paint on my Valkyrie armor. Meh.)

When I started today, I'd already had the belt and belt keepers about 99% complete -- all I really lacked were the heavy duty snaps on the belt keepers. I had to scour the internet for directions (they apparently didn't make the move from Houston!), and finally got them installed. I then put the other side of the snaps onto the narrower web straps. Connecting them gives them a bit of movement, and allows them to rotate to an angle to meet with the larger leg strap. I stitched everything together and ended up with this:

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My machine handled the bulk without any issue. I then moved on to the plastic casing over where the webbing meets. Since I have a bit of worbla left over from my Valkyrie build, I decided to use that for the casing. To make a pattern, I traced the shape of the joined webbing and then added about 1/4" to allow for the worbla to adhere to itself on both sides. A little cutting, a little heat later, and I ended up with:

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And, since I was painting anyway, I taped it up and painted the worbla.

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Needless to say, I'm okay with the shape, but words cannot describe how much I hate the paint job! The can was marked "satin black." I suppose that it's closer to that than matte black, but it's definitely more glossy than I expected. It makes it look very home made, which was not the effect I was going for. ::sigh:: DH and I will be picking up some sanding blocks to work on his Hawkeye arrows, so I think I'll be picking up some dull/matte black in the process. Not only do we need it for his arrows, but now I'll need to sand and repaint these. Blah. Maybe while I'm at it, I'll dremel off some of the excess plastic on the sides.

In addition to his arrows, I'll be working on finishing up the holster rig here. I have a back plate for the actual holsters that I'm constructing out of worbla scraps. The idea is to help stabilize the elastic leg straps that connect directly to the holsters. I'm not sure if they'll be needed or not. I'm hoping to be able to put the elastic straps together tomorrow so I'll have a better idea.
 
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Most of the work today was on Valkyrie -- sanding armor and reshaping the shoulder discs -- but I did manage to fix the casings on the thigh straps a bit. I trimmed them up and then hit them with some Krylon ultra-flat black. Much better!

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Shown here, with one of the belt pouches, as I was testing for scale:

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Slow progress is still progress, right? Still have Valkyrie's scabbard and belt to get off my cutting table before I can go back to the holster rig, but at least it's getting there. I think I need two of me!
 
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...and another update!

Kept working on the holster rig today. As mentioned previously, I formed a backplate for the holster from some extra worbla I had laying around. I only used a single layer as it didn't have to be extremely strong, and needed to have a little flexibility against the thigh. Using the CQC belt adapter, I molded two backplates and then hit them with a couple coats of Krylon ultra-flat black. The result was pretty good:

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Once I started adding the webbing to the back of the holster, however, I realized the screws that came with the holster wouldn't be long enough to secure the webbing, the elastic thigh straps and the backplate. I opted for some 3/8" machine screws left from DH's Hawkeye rig. A bit shiny, but a felt cap or the like will bring it down and help keep them from snagging the spandex.

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With the holsters temporarily in place on the rig, I then measured out where the elastic straps should be, and cut them according to a snug fit and enough hem allowance. They all still ended up being about the same length, despite a bit of difference in placement.

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Elastics measured and pinned, I moved back to the batcave... er, the sewing room, and stitched up the bands. Though I tested my stitching on a bit of scrap, I still had some issues with the first band (bottom). I then flipped it over and made sure to carefully topstitch in the grooves of the elastic. I then did second row of stitching about 1/8" in to help secure it.

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With the elastic stitched, I then marked the mounting points on the back of the straps using a silver marker. I very carefully poked holes with an Exacto knife, and threaded the screws through. I could then mount the straps, the webbing, and the backplate to the holster, making sure the screws were aligned with the existing sockets.

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Wash, rinse, repeat for the other two.

And then I had a completed holster rig!

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Not as screen accurate or clean a build as I'd like, but I'm fairly happy with it over all. Lessons learned:

1) Next time, flip the junction point of the webbing so that it's more flat on top, producing a smoother worbla casing.

2) Investing in the smaller AustriAlpin buckles would be nice, but the curved shape of these from Strapworks will be much more comfortable!

Next up for Tasha: the dreaded uniform. Next up for construction: Valkyrie's belt. I can almost see my cutting table again!
 
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What color would you say the 2nd look tank is? More of a burnt orange shade than red?
 
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What color would you say the 2nd look tank is? More of a burnt orange shade than red?

This is roughly what the three shades of tanks I made look like, laid out together:

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My camera, as good as it can be, really kinda washed things out here, but I think you can get the gist. Looking at the Crayola color list on Wikipedia, though, I'd say yes, I chose something closer to the "burnt sienna", or somewhere between that and burnt orange. Being a red head with fair skin similar to Tasha's, I wanted to stay with something that was close to accurate, but also went well with my hair and skin, without washing me out. Fall colors like these are fabulous for that! =)

Hope this helps!
 
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your build is looking great! are the elastic straps pretty comfortable? I didn't think of using elastic, I have the nylon ones and I'm having trouble with them moving around and falling down, I keep adjusting and make them tighter but it's always changing, pretty annoying!
 
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Looking good so far!

Thanks, Rusty! It's definitely a labor of love...

your build is looking great! are the elastic straps pretty comfortable? I didn't think of using elastic, I have the nylon ones and I'm having trouble with them moving around and falling down, I keep adjusting and make them tighter but it's always changing, pretty annoying!

Thanks! =)

Well, I'd thought about doing nylon, or even cordura, like the belt (which I suspect is screen-accurate), but ultimately decided a good elastic would provide a better fit -- especially given that I'm a former runner, so my thighs are a bit bulkier than your average gal. So far it's been a good decision. I wore the rig over a pair of running tights, up and down the stairs a few times and had little to no shifting. The elastic itself is 1" wide, has some good give to it, and doesn't seem to cut off the circulation while still holding firmly. The texture is a little different from what you normally see, looking like a bit like a woven. It was pretty good to work with, too, as it wasn't stiff like most braided elastics. My guess is that the flexibility and the texture are the reasons it works well... it would probably work okay with adjustable buckles as well.
 
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Do have reference picture of the widow bites on your hands with the gloves? I want to get a set from the Etsy guy too I've already inquired about it.
 
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Ask, and ye shall receive. =)

The gloves are a bit big (my hands are crazy small, apparently), so I've got another pair on order. But the bites turned out really fantastic. There's a little space between them when worn over the glove, so I've arranged them on the elastic so that the open space -- about 1/2" or so -- is on the bottom. If you need a pic of that, I can do it, but will have to post that later this evening.

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Hope this helps!
 
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