Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Post-release)

[Father]

I actually thought BvsS was a pretty decent pic until they did the whole Doomsday story line. If they had done a two hour movie on how Lex manipulated them into a fight and then they realize it was Lex and the they defeat him the end I wouldn't have minded it. Then they could have teased Doomsday or Darkseid as a second movie. But the whole Doomsday story line is what turned me off.

It wasn't the right time for Doomsday. The source material had Doomsday plow through all of the other heroes before Superman fights him. It would have been better to do that with Justice League.

For B v S, yeah.. it was enough that Lex manipulated them into fighting. They didn't need to have the whole subplot of him accessing the Kryptonian ship an the whole gene-splicing thing. But how could they have a big ridiculous battle at the end of the movie? Have Wonder Woman show up to break it up instead of Lois?

It would have been cool if he linked his company's mainframe/servers to process the ships data and ended up downloading and activating Brainiac for a later storyline.

 

[drcraig13]

For B v S, yeah.. it was enough that Lex manipulated them into fighting. They didn't need to have the whole subplot of him accessing the Kryptonian ship an the whole gene-splicing thing. But how could they have a big ridiculous battle at the end of the movie?

It would have been cool if he linked his company's mainframe/servers to process the ships data and ended up downloading and activating Brainiac for a later storyline.

1. I think they could have just had the big fight between Bats and Supes and that would have been enough. Not everything has to be just over the top action to make a good movie.

2. That would have been a kick ass idea. I wish you were a WB exec.

 

[Axlotl]

Rented this last night. Went in expecting to hate it, had fun instead.
Afleck's a good Batman. Cavill's what we got, so I guess he'll have to do. Gal Gadot was fantastic.
Looking forward to "Wonder Woman" even more now.

Jesse Eisenberg was awful. Terrible casting decision. Took me out of the movie every time he opened his mouth.
Is this Lex Luthor or the Joker? Who is this supposed to be? Make up your minds!
DC is doing a bang-up job so far of misunderstanding their own characters...

Seeing the trinity together for the battle at the end had me grinning like a moron.
Fight was very well done - better than I expected. I could actually see and understand what was happening.

Editing irritated me. This movie was 2-and-a-half hours long, and I have no idea how Lex Luthor suddenly knew everybody's secret identity.
Instead of an explanation we got dream sequences that had no bearing on the plot whatsoever, and a goofy montage to set up the next movie.

Still angry as hell at "Man of Steel", and Snyder's man-baby misinterpretation of Superman,
but in spite of that I enjoyed this movie, and it made me hate DC's direction a little bit less (just a little bit).

 

[KrangPrime]

This right there is my entire problem with the movie murderverse.

Personally, I thought Lex came off more like an unhinged Riddler to me than lex luthor.

But everyone else was so out of character, that I went in hating DC's direction even more than man of steel did. I mean, how do you screw up lex and batman? the two simplest characters to get right!

I wonder what the DC community thinks of these movies. does everyone feel the way I do, or are they a little more forgiving?
I don't follow the comics community much, because i think they are more convoluted

 

[astroboy]

Yeah...ultimately, Eisenberg was the biggest mistake of the movie

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[Father]

After a second watch there were a few brief moments where I think Eisenberg could have pulled it off... and they were moments where he almost seemed like he came out of character and was just acting normal. Everything else was God awful in every way. I think I actually experience physical pain watching him in this movie.

The big fight at the end was worse than a Michael Bay Transformers sequel. I think I almost went into an epileptic seizure from all the pointless flashing lights from heat vision beams and explosions and lightning and whatever else Doomsday was putting out. It was ridiculous.

This is a mind numbing, turn-your-brain-COMPLETELY-off action hero movie. The kind of movie you put on as background noise, only to turn your attention to it for the action. Everything else is a jumbled mess.

I'm surprised some people are saying this was better than Man of Steel. I think MoS had a lot more going for it than this turd. For one thing... I think most MoS scenes were in DAYLIGHT. I get that Batman is supposed to be Dark. He works in the shadows and blah blah blah. Shooting every scene with crappy lighting doesn't necessarily create the "dark feel" of Batman. Michael Shannon was probably more than 50% of what made MoS so great. With BvS, nobody made it even good. Affleck was ok, but hardly great. I like Cavill, but Superman was not Superman in this movie. Lex was awful. Lois is annoying. Alfred was ok, but he seems more like Q or Microchip than a butler now. Wonder Woman was cool but I can't help but think they should have had her origin movie before this.

Anyway... this movie is unforgivable.

 

[Axlotl]

I'm surprised some people are saying this was better than Man of Steel.... Michael Shannon was probably more than 50% of what made MoS so great..

Sorry, man, but MoS was an insult to Superman, Superman's legacy, Superman's fans, and Superman's creators.
Joe Shuster and Jerry Siegel are spinning in their graves. "How could you get it so wrong??? It's so simple!" (That's what they're yelling as they spin in their graves)

I like Michael Shannon, but not in MoS. I thought he was almost as awful in that as JE was in BvS.

And there's no way the fight at the end was worse than Bayformers.
I walked out of the first Transformers movie because I felt like my eyeballs were being raped.
I can see where you're coming from with all the flashing lights, but at least the fight was understandable.
I had no idea WTH was going on in Transformers.

Not attacking your opinion - just having a convo.
How's Kwajalein? I'll bet it's beautiful there.

 

[Father]

Sorry, man, but MoS was an insult to Superman, Superman's legacy, Superman's fans, and Superman's creators.
Joe Shuster and Jerry Siegel are spinning in their graves. "How could you get it so wrong??? It's so simple!" (That's what they're yelling as they spin in their graves)

I like Michael Shannon, but not in MoS. I thought he was almost as awful in that as JE was in BvS.

And there's no way the fight at the end was worse than Bayformers.
I walked out of the first Transformers movie because I felt like my eyeballs were being raped.
I can see where you're coming from with all the flashing lights, but at least the fight was understandable.
I had no idea WTH was going on in Transformers.

Not attacking your opinion - just having a convo.

How's Kwajalein? I'll bet it's beautiful there.

I know you're not attacking. This is a good convo.

So what about MoS would make Shuster/Siegel spin in their graves?

I think MoS had a relatively realistic approach to how an alien humanoid would be raised in smalltown USA by "regular" people with traditional values.
I think, despite his father holding him back from letting loose, the fight and destruction were a good way of showing how young Clark was naïve to what his power could do if not kept in check and that the results have serious consequences. Too compliment that, Zod was the perfect opposite to that, in that he was so loyal to his people he was blind to idea that there could be any kind of balance.

Now what was stupid about everything Zod was doing is that he comes to a planet, gaines incredible powers, but wants to terraform the planet, which would effectively strip him and his people of those powers just because there is a period of discomfort while they adapt to the environment (which only took him and his crew about a day before he was flying, eye-blasting buildings, etc.).

I thought Michael Shannon nailed it on so many levels and I can't really imagine anyone pulling it off as well as he did. I would even go so far as to say his Zod was better than the Terrance Stamp Zod. But there was a much different level of interaction between the two. Classic Zod interacted with people on Earth a lot more. Whereas Mos Zod we see his relationship with Jor El and the Kryptonians hashed out more.

The first Bayformers battles weren't too bad. It had some actual tactics. The others were just nonsense. Bayformers 1 was watchable... the rest were complete garbage with the 4th one taking it to a whole new level of awful.

And to answer your question, Kwajalein is awesome. Especially under water.

 

[Mola Rob]

Now what was stupid about everything Zod was doing is that he comes to a planet, gaines incredible powers, but wants to terraform the planet, which would effectively strip him and his people of those powers just because there is a period of discomfort while they adapt to the environment (which only took him and his crew about a day before he was flying, eye-blasting buildings, etc.).

Zod did what he did because he was genetically programmed to protect his people, that was what he was designed to do from birth. He was terraforming the Earth in order to bring his people back. He didn't care about the powers he was just doing what he was made to do.

 

[Father]

Zod did what he did because he was genetically programmed to protect his people, that was what he was designed to do from birth. He was terraforming the Earth in order to bring his people back. He didn't care about the powers he was just doing what he was made to do.

"General Zod: Look at this. We could have built a new Krypton in this squalor, but you chose the humans over us. I exist only to protect Krypton. That is the sole purpose for which I was born. And every action I take, no matter how violent or how cruel, is for the greater good of my people. And now... I have no people. My soul, that is what you have taken from me!"

I think that could be interpreted different ways, but who knows. Terraforming Earth was obviously a plot device. Could he just as easily have found another planet to rebuild as a new Krypton? I didn't get the impression that the Kryptonians were genetically programmed to go around the galaxy committing genocide in order to expand their own dominance. They visited/colonized other worlds, but they didn't necessarily kill everything by terraforming those planets. If they had, why would those colonies have died out?

I think Zod just had some screws loose more than anything else.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

Kal-El had the Genesis Matrix in him, though. He represented any future Kryptonian life. Therefore Zod's genetic imperative drove him to build a new Krypton around that life in order to protect it.

--Jonah

 

[glunark]

Even if they had altered earths gravity and atmosphere, they would still be near a yellow sun thought, which is the source of their powers;.

 

[Father]

Even if they had altered earths gravity and atmosphere, they would still be near a yellow sun thought, which is the source of their powers;.

I hadn't thought of it that way. I figured since the world engine was messing with Superman's powers that it would have been permanent when it was done doing its thing.
If the atmosphere blocks or filters out the radiation from the yellow sun that gives them their powers then...

 

[Robinson]

I believe its not specifically the yellow sun its self but the more so the energy that it puts out that kryptonians are able to absorb. The Red Sun for krypton was because the sun was millions of years older than our younger yellow sun. If the terraforming took place the atmosphere would filter the sun light and render it a non issue. Just like in Superman 2 when he forfeited his powers in the red sun chamber.

 

[Snikt]

I believe its not specifically the yellow sun its self but the more so the energy that it puts out that kryptonians are able to absorb. The Red Sun for krypton was because the sun was millions of years older than our younger yellow sun. If the terraforming took place the atmosphere would filter the sun light and render it a non issue. Just like in Superman 2 when he forfeited his powers in the red sun chamber.

Its the type of radiation that our sun gives off, thats why supes looked like he got the life sucked out of him when the nuke went off, because its a different type of radiation. Kryptonite gives off a kind, red krypto etc. At least thats what I have read in other comics. In Kingdom Come, he is older and has absorbed so much of our suns rays, he is immune to kryptonite, and the only thing that gives him trouble is magic. Nothing else can stop him. So. Rad.

 

[Fawbish]

"General Zod: Look at this. We could have built a new Krypton in this squalor, but you chose the humans over us. I exist only to protect Krypton. That is the sole purpose for which I was born. And every action I take, no matter how violent or how cruel, is for the greater good of my people. And now... I have no people. My soul, that is what you have taken from me!"

I think that could be interpreted different ways, but who knows. Terraforming Earth was obviously a plot device. Could he just as easily have found another planet to rebuild as a new Krypton? I didn't get the impression that the Kryptonians were genetically programmed to go around the galaxy committing genocide in order to expand their own dominance. They visited/colonized other worlds, but they didn't necessarily kill everything by terraforming those planets. If they had, why would those colonies have died out?

I think Zod just had some screws loose more than anything else.

I don't think he could have easily terraformed anywhere else. There's quite a few reasons that he would use earth.

He needs three main components - a foundation (stated by Zod), the codex, and the genesis chamber (scout ship). All three exist on earth. The very existence of the scout ship/genesis chamber tells us that our planet is suitable - they were sent to habitable worlds as told to us by Jor-El. The habitable world (atmosphere, magnetic field etc) becomes the foundation. The codex only exists in Kal as Krypton was destroyed and the main codex along with it.

Kryptonians weren't genetically programmed to commit genocide, I agree. But a zealous warrior, the last few of his race, whose only purpose in life is to see Krypton live again and it's pre-programmed eugenics driven people brought back? Why on earth (lol) once he had all three of those things required, would he relocate and risk losing one of the three? You wouldn't. Even on Krypton, Zod was an extremist who tried to lead a coup against the government/leadership. He isn't representative of all Kryptonians, just as Hitler isn't representative of all human life. He is fallible and reacts to emotions. So yeah, definitely a screw loose up there, but then, isn't that the character? The one minded zealot who wishes Superman to kneel to him?

I actually reckon (and this is just logical conjecture) that the terraforming wasn't a perfect science for the Kryptonians. Otherwise they might have found another planet that was Krypton worthy already during their 33 year search of the stars (only a section of which they had the world engine). Although it had been thousands of years since the last scout ships and such had been sent out to terraform anywhere, so that's enough time for mini outpost civilizations to fail definitely.

 

[Father]

I don't think he could have easily terraformed anywhere else. There's quite a few reasons that he would use earth.

He needs three main components - a foundation (stated by Zod), the codex, and the genesis chamber (scout ship). All three exist on earth. The very existence of the scout ship/genesis chamber tells us that our planet is suitable - they were sent to habitable worlds as told to us by Jor-El. The habitable world (atmosphere, magnetic field etc) becomes the foundation. The codex only exists in Kal as Krypton was destroyed and the main codex along with it.

Kryptonians weren't genetically programmed to commit genocide, I agree. But a zealous warrior, the last few of his race, whose only purpose in life is to see Krypton live again and it's pre-programmed eugenics driven people brought back? Why on earth (lol) once he had all three of those things required, would he relocate and risk losing one of the three? You wouldn't. Even on Krypton, Zod was an extremist who tried to lead a coup against the government/leadership. He isn't representative of all Kryptonians, just as Hitler isn't representative of all human life. He is fallible and reacts to emotions. So yeah, definitely a screw loose up there, but then, isn't that the character? The one minded zealot who wishes Superman to kneel to him?

I actually reckon (and this is just logical conjecture) that the terraforming wasn't a perfect science for the Kryptonians. Otherwise they might have found another planet that was Krypton worthy already during their 33 year search of the stars (only a section of which they had the world engine). Although it had been thousands of years since the last scout ships and such had been sent out to terraform anywhere, so that's enough time for mini outpost civilizations to fail definitely.

But again... why terraform? If I was a crazy warrior that wanted to revive my people and I could do it on a planet that was not only suitable but could also make my people stronger, faster, and more powerful than they had ever been before and all they had to do was go through what would essentially be considered growing pains to them.... AND leave the population on the planet intact so they could be slaves.... I'd go that route.

As far as the scout **** with the genesis chamber being on Earth implying it was suitable to populate... the flaw in that seems to be that the codex is on Krypton.... and it seemed pretty clear, even on the brink of destruction, that it wasn't allowed to be removed from it's underwater birthing chamber thing. So what good is the genesis chamber on Earth without it?

 

[Nostalgic]

Only recently watched it, heard bad things and i have to agree with the bad things heard... Affleck was fine and so was Gadot.. Ive always loved DC and Superman was always my fav.. Still is, but cavill killed superman for me personally and he done a double homicide in this flick...

Pretty much everything was shocking and basically crap and im kind of happy not to see him in the Justice League trailer. Maybe it will be good. Really, as a DC fan, these movies have been huge let downs. No need to go into the inns and outs, mostly everyone knows of the problems and some of the causes...

But, i watched it and i thought it sucked!! Jess and cavill both brought the same cringe each time they "performed" a scene... Maybe the dirt should not have risen.. Or maybe a knew person will rise in the suit... That will never happen but one can only smile at the thought...

I hate thinking it, but in all honesty, both man of steel and Vs were both horrible films that i feel insult the hell out of the potential of DC box office and the magic that could be.......

 

[Father]

I don't mind Cavill. I can't decide if Eisenberg could have been better if he didn't act so weird. If he was his Marc Zuckerberg instead of acting like Jim Carey it might have be tolerable... but the whiney, eccentric, millennial version of Luthor just sucks... worse than Gene Hackman's bumbling criminal mastermind. To me the best Luthor is the Bruce Tim animated version voiced by Clancy Brown.

I know the Eisenberg one is Luthor's son and all that... doesn't make it any better.

 

[Nostalgic]

I don't mind Cavill. I can't decide if Eisenberg could have been better if he didn't act so weird. If he was his Marc Zuckerberg instead of acting like Jim Carey it might have be tolerable... but the whiney, eccentric, millennial version of Luthor just sucks... worse than Gene Hackman's bumbling criminal mastermind. To me the best Luthor is the Bruce Tim animated version voiced by Clancy Brown.

I know the Eisenberg one is Luthor's son and all that... doesn't make it any better.

How was that end scene with Luthor, i literally felt embarrassed watching it.. His head wedged between the cell bars and muttering with actual dribble coming out of his mouth... wtf was that... Tell me he didnt watch his performance at the premiere and turn into a beetroot...

And since when have ppl believed that power can be innocent to the point that its the oldest lie in America?!

Hey, you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette...

They broke the whole carton and made scrambled eggs....

The lie from america was that Batman V Superman would be epic....

As for cavill as supes, i totally have to disagree. At first i thought on face value he could pull it off, even watching mos for the first 45mins i was hopeful, as it progressed he became annoying rather than super, i could feel a certain vibe from looking at him that i didnt quite like and i guess to me he seemed pretty chauvinistic and at that point it didnt sit well with me, enter real life cavill and it turns out that he is that way and he cant even hide it on screen.. So that just amplified it all.. To me, as a result, he doesnt seem to embody superman at all, then there is his acting, again, no embodiment of either superman nor CK,

I was hoping in this one, things would have changed and that mos was him coming into his own.. But it was worse and i found myself each time he was on screen, wanting it to be over already,

Everyone has different views and some people are for or against. To me he totally killed superman, and that sucks. Even seeing the toys in the aisles, so many cavill supes just sitting there looking no different than cavill himself on screen and i kind of know why they dont jump off the shelves, I guess he didnt even make kids believe he is superman. Someone out there is born for the role and no doubt would of hit casting... They went and manufactured superman and i believe it didnt pay off.. I believe it failed miserably..

At least there are the comics and past superman films that even though the effects now days are cheesy and the plots are weak at best, but at least you still feel the presence of superman while watching them...


~I remember when i believed a man could fly~