Avengers Movie SPOILER Thread

[MooCriket]

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Just saying. Any who, just noticed some language on the bottom of that picture. You were warned.

 

[firesprite]

You guys really want Coulson to star in his own Marvel movie, don't you?

OMG, YES!!!!!!

He had a little featurette on the Thor Blu ray wasn't it?

He's actually had little short films on Iron Man 2 and Captain America as well if I'm recalling correctly.

 

[Sundowner]

Cool behind the scenes of the HUD displays A Look Behind THE AVENGERS User Interface Designs; Helicarrier Screens And Iron Man HUD

 

[Werstrooper]

Ok had my third viewing last night and here is my input.

Joss loves killing great characters right? but Marvel wouldnt allow him to kill off their main tie together guy right?

Coulson goes to a room where a high powered weapon can be found, a weapon that does less damage than Hydra Weapon. yet security around the Hydra weapons could be accessed with a crowbar (Cap forcing door open).

Which gets me to the life model. Whats the point of a life model if people close to you can tell the difference, kinda defeats the purpose really.

 

[firesprite]

Ok had my third viewing last night and here is my input.

Joss loves killing great characters right? but Marvel wouldnt allow him to kill off their main tie together guy right?

Coulson goes to a room where a high powered weapon can be found, a weapon that does less damage than Hydra Weapon. yet security around the Hydra weapons could be accessed with a crowbar (Cap forcing door open).

Which gets me to the life model. Whats the point of a life model if people close to you can tell the difference, kinda defeats the purpose really.

Actually, the reason the weapon Coulson got was secured the way it was is two-fold:
1: It was backwards engineered from the remains of the Destroyer from the Thor movie (the barrel shows the same bands and energy build up and Coulson comments on it being something they picked up in New Mexico, I believe).
2: It was experimental and no one really knew WHAT it would do (hence his comment of "oh, that's what it does")


In short, they had no way of knowing at that point what kind of damage it did while the Hydra weapons were a known quantity.

*pushes nerd glasses up and exits the stage*

 

[TheNickFox]

Ok had my third viewing last night and here is my input.

Joss loves killing great characters right? but Marvel wouldnt allow him to kill off their main tie together guy right?

Coulson goes to a room where a high powered weapon can be found, a weapon that does less damage than Hydra Weapon. yet security around the Hydra weapons could be accessed with a crowbar (Cap forcing door open).

Which gets me to the life model. Whats the point of a life model if people close to you can tell the difference, kinda defeats the purpose really.

YES! There is finally someone else on this side of the fence.

Now I'm not so lonely. Thanks! :lol

If everyone just keeps rewatching the movie, eventually, everyone will come over to this side...or so I keep telling myself.

-Nick

 

[rodneyfaile]

Did Boba Fett survive the Sarlacc?

Did Coulson survive Loki?

People will believe what they want I suppose, just as they do regarding Deckard being a replicant.

 

[JoeG]

Coulson is dead and he's supposed to be dead. I believe that's what they always intended. However, with this groundswell of support for the character, I don't doubt for a second that Marvel will insist they bring him back in one of the upcoming films.

 

[pengbuzz]

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[Jedi2016]

...a weapon that does less damage than Hydra Weapon.

Wait.. what gives you that idea? The size of the explosion? That it hit a person/god instead of a gas-guzzling vehicle like most of the Hydra weapons did? Did you expect it to blow half of the ship away or something?

On top of the whole "motivate the Avengers" thing, this is Joss Whedon we're talking about. He's got absolutely no problem killing off major characters to push the story. IMO, that sort of thing doesn't happen nearly enough in comic movies.

And Coulson was not the "tie-everything-together" guy. He talked to Iron Man and Thor, that's it. The three seconds he showed up in Captain America doesn't count, he never met Cap until Avengers. And he had no link whatsoever to Hulk. Just because he's a likeable character doesn't make him anything more than a plot point.

 

[JD]

Did Boba Fett survive the Sarlacc?

Did Coulson survive Loki?

You're comparing apples to oranges.

While Coulson was not an A level star, he was a very strong supporting character that appeared in four Marvel movies with his strongest presence being in The Avengers (the movie he died in) and there will be sequels to the Avengers and every other movie Coulson appeared in.

Boba Fett was arguably a B player in ESB and had an even smaller role in ROTJ and there was not a sequel to ROTJ - therefore, if he did survive - it wasn't in the movies and we've yet to see it.

If Coulson does survive (and I'm neither anti or pro Coulson's survival), I reckon we will see it on the big screen.

 

[firesprite]

Okay, so just for full disclosure here, apparently killing Coulson wasn't Joss' idea.

In our first meeting Kevin Feige said, this is what we're gonna do and I said, "Oh but you have to go out there and tell everybody that it was your idea because this is going to get me so much ****. Because they are all going to be like, "Oh he did it again!" It was stipulated from the beginning, and I completely agree that it was the right thing to do, and so did Clark. Who said in the early days, when I was busy apologizing for it, "In a movie like this, with what's going on if there isn't some toll, it's just irresponsible story telling."

Joss Whedon explains why he had to do unspeakable things to one character in The Avengers

 

[CessnaDriver]

It's good to have someone die now and then. Otherwise you have no concern that anything is really at stake.

 

[firesprite]

It's good to have someone die now and then. Otherwise you have no concern that anything is really at stake.

I agree that death can be a good thing in a story. But doing it just for the sake of doing it can make the audience feel betrayed.

 

[DuneMuadDib]

It's a comic book movie, and his name isn't Ben Parker. If he did die, he won't stay that way forever.

 

[CessnaDriver]

I agree that death can be a good thing in a story. But doing it just for the sake of doing it can make the audience feel betrayed.

I think this death was meant to be the catalyst for the team to truly form and live up to it's name. There was someone for them to avenge.
The story sort of demanded it, though pretty standard plot device
in team coming together type stories, reason to hate the villian, etc.

That it was a rather beloved character made it impactful rather then something quickly contrived with some new character we didn't care about or would feel no loss... OH man they killed our pal... Bob! Man Bob was our pal and were mad now.

These characters live a very dangerous life, sacrifice is part of the expectation. Someone is going to get bit sooner or later. So a reminder of that now and then raises the stakes of our emotional investment in what goes on up there on screen.

Now did anyone really think Stark was going to die?
Well, probably not, but it probably helped that someone did earlier
to make us worried.

 

[DuneMuadDib]

Be hard to kill him when Iron Man 3 already had a release date.

 

[TheNickFox]

Now did anyone really think Stark was going to die?
Well, probably not, but it probably helped that someone did earlier
to make us worried.

I didn't think so, but we knew that there could have been life support systems/oxygen in the suit (per the earlier underwater scene) so they could have always pulled a "Oh no, we think he's dead, but really he's trapped on the other side of the universe."

Totally unlikely, but that's what I love about comics and comic movies...there's always a way to bring someone back to life or entirely retcon their death with a few lines, if they are needed again.

-Nick

 

[Knightjar]

Saw it last night with my family and absolutely loved it. I really hope the speculation regarding Coulson's death remains just that. It was a good scene; I particularly liked that his last word was left unspoken for the audience to hear only in their head. Making him a Life Decoy not only cheapens that scene but removes the humour from Stark's earlier throw-away gag.

I was surprised by just how good the 3D was, considering it was added digitally. It was clear that some major thought had gone into the composition of various shots so that the third dimension became an element of cinematography instead of just being a gimmick. It will be interesting to see how cinematography evolves if 3D is here to stay. Incidentally, it's the first time I've actually caught myself blinking when 3D objects are flung out of the screen at me.

Harry Dean Stanton was a great, unexpected bonus! A bit sad how many (my partner included) failed to recognise him.

Favourite moment I hadn't seen mentioned in this thread -
Stark on the bridge, covering one eye and pointing to the monitors on his left: "How does Fury even see these screens?"
Hill: "He turns."

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Must be cool for the actor to experience this much support for one of his roles. .)

Oh... and yes... I actually thought that they'd kill off Iron Man. With the arc reactor not glowing... the shards would move towards his heart, right. Would have made it a different, more somber movie, but I like the version we got.