Yeah it is. Remember that whole scene where he cracks into the SHIELD network with his smart phone?
Avengers Movie SPOILER Thread
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Yeah it is. Remember that whole scene where he cracks into the SHIELD network with his smart phone?
The two just didn't seem related. This is a man who can hack TVs with a smart phone. Why would he need a button-sized bug to aid his hacking? Especially given that there are computers elsewhere on the helicarrier.
If that's what it was, I guess I felt it needed a bit more explanation or demonstration.
-Nick
Well, he was dealing with SHIELD's security system, so maybe the little bug was needed in order to bypass the firewall and get in? And maybe it worked on some sort of proximity? Like, it needed to be within a certain distance from the servers, or something?
I dunno. You're right, it isn't blatantly explained or anything. That's just what I assumed it was for. Who knows, I could be totally wrong. Maybe it something they'll go back to in Iron Man 3. :lol
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
Yeah, I never saw it as anything as that. S.H.I.E.L.D.s security requires a little more extra firepower than hacking a TV with the smart phone. Otherwise it's some damn lousy security systems they have installed.
About Phil, I've quickly gone through the thread, but I didn't see anyone mention it : in one the last scene where Fury is standing on the deck and Hill walking away, the camera kinda "de-zooms" and you can see someone crossing Hill's path in a regular black suit and going towards Fury. I don't think I saw anyone else besides Coulson wearing a suit on the ship, all the shield agents have the blue uniform so my guess is that he's alive. How I don't know, LMD don't bleed normally since they're robot, maybe his wound wasn't so bad...People survived worst than that !
I've got nothing to say about the movie itself, it was just pure awesome entertainment, can't wait to see more.
I've got nothing to say about the movie itself, it was just pure awesome entertainment, can't wait to see more.
I don't know, he managed to hack into the Quinnjet PA system without a bug.
To me, I'm going to wait on official confirmation of what he put there as well as what room Coulson was going into that required a retinal scan.
I'm just stubborn like that. :lol
-Nick
Arkamis
Well-Known Member
I saw the movie again last night and Stark does reference it. When he mentions that he is hacking into their systems he says hes had Jarvis working on it since he was on the bridge of the helicarrier.
I do remember that part, but I just didn't think it was made apparent that, THAT was some sort of JARVIS hacking tool.
You guys are probably right, but I would have loved something as simple as the contrived cut away to the small button under the console with a blinking LED as Stark talked about hacking the system. Just so we KNEW that's what it was explicitly, because since I'm willing to believe that man can create that armored suit, I'm also willing to believe he can hack anything within a 50 mile radius.
Now, back to my more important point: Whatup with Coulson's retinal scan?
-Nick
Jedi2016
Sr Member
I was afraid of movie audiences getting to the point where they can't figure out simple plot points based on evidence, and that everything had to spelled out in giant neon lights.
He hacked into the system using the button he put on the bridge. Coulson was getting a super-secret prototype weapon. There are no undying mysteries here.
He hacked into the system using the button he put on the bridge. Coulson was getting a super-secret prototype weapon. There are no undying mysteries here.
Whoa! No need to act like I'm airheaded. I don't need everything spelled out for me, and generally I prefer just the opposite, I was just calling into question why in a movie that is so tight otherwise they would need these two shots that really don't add to the general understanding.
Stark is a genius, so it's not much of a leap to assume he can hack anything...with or without the button. So why include it? What does it add?
Coulson is on a super secret flying aircraft carrier, presumably there are many secret weapons on board (like the Hydra weapons) so why single out one room when we would just as easily understand that Coulson could obtain a secret, prototype weapon offscreen, with or without a retinal scan.
It's about the flow and tightness of the movie. The fact that those two seemingly incongruous moments were included drew my attention unnaturally to them because they just didn't fit in with the overall flow.
-Nick
Stark is a genius, so it's not much of a leap to assume he can hack anything...with or without the button. So why include it? What does it add?
Coulson is on a super secret flying aircraft carrier, presumably there are many secret weapons on board (like the Hydra weapons) so why single out one room when we would just as easily understand that Coulson could obtain a secret, prototype weapon offscreen, with or without a retinal scan.
It's about the flow and tightness of the movie. The fact that those two seemingly incongruous moments were included drew my attention unnaturally to them because they just didn't fit in with the overall flow.
-Nick
I'm going with Coulson was activating his Life Model Decoy. I distinctly remember Nick Fury doing the same thing in the comics during a story arc where The Punisher "killed" Nick. That comic scene was the first thing that came to mind after his apparent "death".
JD
Master Member
I disagree.
Stark placing the button directly relates to his hacking of SHIELD's computer system. While we can debate the merits of Tony's hacking abilities until we're blue in the face, it's easy to see that at the very least, the audience needs to see Tony doing something to gain access. Frankly, the SHIELD network might be a little more secure and Tony using something he created to gain access - well, I think that's perfectly reasonable and acceptable.
Same with Coulson. At the very least, it gives the audience something to link his appearance with the TWID gun.
It's just simple storytelling.
firesprite
Master Member
Unfortunately, you seem to be in the minority on this.
That's fine. My screenwriting professors wouldn't have had it any other way. :lol
One especially always drilled into us keeping the script free from clutter and unnecessary moments, to prevent confusion or later unnecessary exposition.
For me, "JARVIS (AKA the most advanced AI in the world) has been working on this" or "Secret agent man finds secret agent gun on secret agent magic flying boat" are both complete explanations. If those other moments are there to help explain those moments, exposition would be required...
Stark: "I thought they might have some decent security, so I had JARVIS whip up a little something extra for their systems" *He examines a duplicate button-sized bug* "I've had JARVIS working on the problem since I hit the bridge"
...then again, this is a man who learned complex theoretical physics overnight, so is it required? Not for the story. The fact that he is the smartest man known to man can explain just about any plot devise you throw his way.
Or exposition for the eye scan...
Coulson: "We keep this little guy locked up nice and tight...so, I don't even know what it does..." *KA-STABBED*
Do we NEED to know that the gun needs biometric access? Nope! Do we need to see Coulson actually get the gun? Nope! We see him arrive with it, so we can assume he got it from somewhere. It's like how after the 3-way battle in the forest, no one explains how they got aboard the ship or got back to Loki. The fact that they made it back to the Helicarrier is enough, the audience fills in the rest.
Once again, the majority says that you guys are right. So if that's the case, I take issue with the script/editing.
Otherwise, I'm holding out hope that maybe, just maybe, we might get something out of those moments...that said, I'm not holding my breath. Though how cool would it be?!
/End Pedantry
-Nick
SmilingOtter
Master Member
As good as Jarvis is, SHIELD has beaten him twice, at the end of Iron Man 1, and at the beginning of Avengers.
Ooh! Good point. Okay, I'm coming around on the button-sized bug.
To the matter of the eye scan, I'm just secretly hoping Coulson is alive. Can you blame me?
-Nick
nwjedidave
Sr Member
I guess I need to pay better attention. A small reminder of both please?
