Anyone try this
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RedTwoX
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Would you really want to? What would be the benefit? You are going to have to put in a lot more effort for something that would be a lot heavier to wear. Once it's painted it's not going to look any different from the lighter, more comfortable fiberglass or plastic versions.
That stated, I have heard of a metal Jango helmet. However, I never seen any evidence of it so it's just hear-say.
That stated, I have heard of a metal Jango helmet. However, I never seen any evidence of it so it's just hear-say.
KnightAsylum
Sr Member
I have seen ay least 1 Boba, and 2 Jango's made of metal.
I can see the appeal in this, it seems more "real" then plastic. When I was a kid I always assumed Vaders helmet and armour was medal, not plastic. While you could argue for some high end plastic being used for real armor, metal seems more real to me. Real Boba and Jango armour & Helmet should be metal, that would seem more accurate to me. Not as it was made for the screen maybe, but what it was suppose to be. people spend money on paint and labor just trying to get platic to look like metal.
More expensive, and more difficult construction is why I think this is not as common.
I can see the appeal in this, it seems more "real" then plastic. When I was a kid I always assumed Vaders helmet and armour was medal, not plastic. While you could argue for some high end plastic being used for real armor, metal seems more real to me. Real Boba and Jango armour & Helmet should be metal, that would seem more accurate to me. Not as it was made for the screen maybe, but what it was suppose to be. people spend money on paint and labor just trying to get platic to look like metal.
More expensive, and more difficult construction is why I think this is not as common.
pisani
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I wasn't realy thinking of making I metal helmet. I just thought it would be Cool. B) I will look up the metal Boba and Jango helmets though. It sounds like a cool idea to me. And KnightAsylum I think you're right about how people try to make plastic helmets metal instead of just making a real metal helmet.
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Darth Kahnt
Sr Member
I can't imagine the weight of a metal Vader helmet..... :confused
Darth Detroit
Sr Member
It would have to be for display only. :confused
PantheraGem
Sr Member
I for one, would love to see someone do this. For me, the appeal is that in the "Star Wars universe" I've always assumed Vader's helmet/armour was metal. In would just be interesting to see it realized in the real world.
sparrowfan
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i wonder why lucas used fiberglass in the first place, as it is quite heavy, unless they used carbon fiber.
i would think that abs plastic would look the same once painted and would be much lighter.
i would think that abs plastic would look the same once painted and would be much lighter.
Someone here in Florida made a metal stormtrooper helmet. I have seen pics of it but I can no longer find them.
Jumpin Jax
Sr Member
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These were made with STEEL guys. They weigh less than 3 pounds.
Less than a Delux Don Post. It wouldn't have to be thicker than 1/8" in any spot.
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Sigh........
These were made with STEEL guys. They weigh less than 3 pounds.
Combat Gerbil
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These were made with STEEL guys. They weigh less than 3 pounds.
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Erm... My Full Bellows Visored 14 guage steel helm is more like 5 lbs. Pretty weighty.. but I have worn it all day at a film con, as well as in the heat of summer Whilst kitted up in full Steel armour in battle..(UK style full contact steel weapons)
Total weight..4.5 stones for 2 hours..
Less than a Delux Don Post. It wouldn't have to be thicker than 1/8" in any spot.
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Sigh........
These were made with STEEL guys. They weigh less than 3 pounds.
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Erm... My Full Bellows Visored 14 guage steel helm is more like 5 lbs. Pretty weighty.. but I have worn it all day at a film con, as well as in the heat of summer Whilst kitted up in full Steel armour in battle..(UK style full contact steel weapons)
Total weight..4.5 stones for 2 hours..
Jumpin Jax
Sr Member
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Realize that the ANH Vader mask weighed about 10 pounds in fiberglass(?). Super-thin steel without the concern of actual protection would weigh in much lighter.
Which type is a bellows?
Realize that the ANH Vader mask weighed about 10 pounds in fiberglass(?). Super-thin steel without the concern of actual protection would weigh in much lighter.
Combat Gerbil
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jumpin Jax @ Mar 7 2007, 01:37 PM) [snapback]1433697[/snapback]</div>
Realize that the ANH Vader mask weighed about 10 pounds in fiberglass(?). Super-thin steel without the concern of actual protection would weigh in much lighter.
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This is pretty much the same style of helm as mine..
Which type is a bellows?
Realize that the ANH Vader mask weighed about 10 pounds in fiberglass(?). Super-thin steel without the concern of actual protection would weigh in much lighter.
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This is pretty much the same style of helm as mine..
ob1al
Sr Member
I've seen a few metal Jango helms, so they are definately 'out there'.
Never seen a metal Vader. It's not something that really peaks my interest as the original props were not metal, but an interesting concept none the less.
The Jango/Boba shape is a fairly simple one with no deep undercuts and not much intricacy. I imagine an accurate Vader helm would present quite a challenge to even an acomplished metal worker.
Never seen a metal Vader. It's not something that really peaks my interest as the original props were not metal, but an interesting concept none the less.
The Jango/Boba shape is a fairly simple one with no deep undercuts and not much intricacy. I imagine an accurate Vader helm would present quite a challenge to even an acomplished metal worker.
Darth Kahnt
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Sparrowfan, I LOVE that banner. I'm a HUGE Canucks fan.
Sorry for the OT.
Sorry for the OT.
tk8456
Well-Known Member
A friend of mine works in Cardiff Uni as their geeky lab tech guy
He was going to do a 3D scan of a ANH trooper lid for me and then feed that into a CNC to make a solid 3D lump out of ali.
We thought we'd be able to do this on a weekend and fiddle but it being a uni, we can't. You need access to everything. Even he does.
I was bang up for it until we got the bill through. Decided to scrap it.
Let us know how you get on
He was going to do a 3D scan of a ANH trooper lid for me and then feed that into a CNC to make a solid 3D lump out of ali.
We thought we'd be able to do this on a weekend and fiddle but it being a uni, we can't. You need access to everything. Even he does.
I was bang up for it until we got the bill through. Decided to scrap it.
Let us know how you get on
There was a guy on the Dented Helmet that had made a few castings of a Jango Fett helmet in aluminum. In his thread he said he works in an industrial foundry, so a small casting like this is no big deal for him. He actually had his full costume assembled in aluminum and it looked pretty good polished up.
There was another member there who sold a few boba buckets made out of cold cast aluminum. This strikes me as the way to go.
Cold casting involves adding powdered metal to the resin on the outermost layer of the casting. When it comes out of the mold, all you have to do is scuff the resin off the surface and reveal the bare metal. Once you've done this, you've got a surface that's is identical in appearance to the actual bare metal only lighter in weight and non-conductive. The benefit is if you already have molds to make things in fiberglass or resin, you don't need any new technology.
So far I've done this using aluminum and bronze, but it can be done with any powdered metal. The drawback is, just like bare metal, it will tarnish or rust or patina or whatever happens when the real thing gets oxidized.
Here's a shot of a couple of my bronze castings using the cold cast method:
These were made using a water clear vinylester resin and a silicon mold. The most complex bit of machinery involved was a popsicle stick.
There was another member there who sold a few boba buckets made out of cold cast aluminum. This strikes me as the way to go.
Cold casting involves adding powdered metal to the resin on the outermost layer of the casting. When it comes out of the mold, all you have to do is scuff the resin off the surface and reveal the bare metal. Once you've done this, you've got a surface that's is identical in appearance to the actual bare metal only lighter in weight and non-conductive. The benefit is if you already have molds to make things in fiberglass or resin, you don't need any new technology.
So far I've done this using aluminum and bronze, but it can be done with any powdered metal. The drawback is, just like bare metal, it will tarnish or rust or patina or whatever happens when the real thing gets oxidized.
Here's a shot of a couple of my bronze castings using the cold cast method:
These were made using a water clear vinylester resin and a silicon mold. The most complex bit of machinery involved was a popsicle stick.
