Anyone know Mattydog? bad deal - update if you are still owed parts

muttley

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Hey everyone,

another bad junkyard deal going down. just wonder if anyone out there knows Mattydog and could maybe get him to answer an email or something.

sounds like the typical, start a run and then everything that can go wrong does, but in the end it's just not cool to this to fellow hobbiests. Here's the thread



sad and really surprising coming from a long time RPFer.

It's all left a bad taste for props with me...I haven't been around here much and frankly don't even want to think about how excited I was to get an HIC finally..sounds lame (and it is :D )

anyways, just venting/questioning :unsure

Neil
 
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I have a paid purchase for something he offered in the j/y. When I contacted a mod he finally replied, asked for a couple of weeks to catch up on work...said he had lost his housing, no place to do work, etc.

Over a month passed, and now no reply from PM's or email. Of course, it is well beyond the Paypal deadline to do anything.
 
Re: Anyone know Mattydog? bad deal and some venting

I have a paid purchase for something he offered in the j/y. When I contacted a mod he finally replied, asked for a couple of weeks to catch up on work...said he had lost his housing, no place to do work, etc.

Over a month passed, and now no reply from PM's or email. Of course, it is well beyond the Paypal deadline to do anything.

Which is why there comes a time when you have to put your foot down and stop accepting excuse after excuse, otherwise you pass that point of being able to solve the matter easily. Hope you either get your money back or get what you paid for. :unsure
 
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Which is why there comes a time when you have to put your foot down and stop accepting excuse after excuse, otherwise you pass that point of being able to solve the matter easily. Hope you either get your money back or get what you paid for. :unsure


yeah, I'd like to hope that happens too.


I guess if the worst that happens to me is I get shammed by a long time member of this site...oh well.

seems he's had plenty of good deals in the JY, guess times get bad and nothing matters anymore.

any other tips on his whereabouts or dealings? It's been a few weeks since he's been on, and I know this place is like crack... :confused
 
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I was the first one to pay, and have heard nothing from him. I really want the HIC pieces too. I'm hoping he's getting his life together and will take care of this ASAP.
 
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I have sent him a PM asking for an update.
 
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just got an email reply, not sure why he only emailed me, but here's what he sent me.

"im trying to get the stuff done. i feel really bad about this. please let the guys know she threw out my materials and a few finished ones got broken. i ordered more stuff and am in a new apartment.

Matthew Smith"


I send him back a message to get back on and let everyone know himself. We'll see what happens.
 
Re: Anyone know Mattydog? bad deal and some venting

Once you've got some serious and reasonable concerns, it never hurts to open a PayPal inquiry while you're still able to. You don't have to elevate it to a dispute until you're sure you're being taken, but it keeps your options open until the matter is settled one way or another. Good thing to remember!

Hope this works out for everyone, Mattydog included if life really has been handing his butt to him the way he describes. Of course, there's no excuse for poor communication when you're holding other people's money! Communication is all most of us ask or need on these projects - we get nervous when that tiny bit of consideration can't even be delivered.
 
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Completely agree on communication. I don't have room to display this now anyways, so I don't mind the wait, as long as there is regular communication. I've been wanting a HIC forever though; it's my holy grail item, so I really hope this works out.
 
Re: Anyone know Mattydog? bad deal and some venting

One way to stop this from happening is for the Moderators to ban anyone from selling anything here on this forum. Unfortunately it's always one or two bad apples....
 
Re: Anyone know Mattydog? bad deal and some venting

just got an email reply, not sure why he only emailed me, but here's what he sent me.

"im trying to get the stuff done. i feel really bad about this. please let the guys know she threw out my materials and a few finished ones got broken. i ordered more stuff and am in a new apartment.

Matthew Smith"


I send him back a message to get back on and let everyone know himself. We'll see what happens.

Thanks for the update Muttley. I haven't received any correspondence from him on the item I ordered from him.
 
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Which is why there comes a time when you have to put your foot down and stop accepting excuse after excuse, otherwise you pass that point of being able to solve the matter easily. Hope you either get your money back or get what you paid for. :unsure

Thanks for the update Muttley. I haven't received any correspondence from him on the item I ordered from him.

yeah, that's what concerns me. I'd like him to post himself and let you guys know directly. It might be that I'm the one that started the thread and he just went to me first, but in the end it's better to get updates right from him.

anyone that needs his email PM me, I'm assuming it's the one his PMs and email contact goes to though.

Neil
 
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Another way to stop this crap from happening is to stop sending guys money if they don't have the product in hand, quality checked and ready to ship.

Part of doing business is raising the necessary capital yourself to produce a product people want, then selling it. If that means borrowing from friends, family, taking out a loan, whatever, it's the cost of producing a product.

If you don't have the money to produce a run, then you shouldn't be offering anything for sale. This kind of stuff happens way to often on the RPF and it seems after 10 years, the mods would put a stop to it.
 
Re: Anyone know Mattydog? bad deal and some venting

Another way to stop this crap from happening is to stop sending guys money if they don't have the product in hand, quality checked and ready to ship.

Part of doing business is raising the necessary capital yourself to produce a product people want, then selling it. If that means borrowing from friends, family, taking out a loan, whatever, it's the cost of producing a product.

If you don't have the money to produce a run, then you shouldn't be offering anything for sale. This kind of stuff happens way to often on the RPF and it seems after 10 years, the mods would put a stop to it.

honestly I thnk it is what it is, the mods do a good job in their role.

we made a judgment call, long time member, seemed like a legit "run". then we get the dreaded "my dog died, the dishwasher ate my homework, divorce, lost job, hard drive goes down, my email sharted itself"

believe me I'm all for having the product in hand before shipping, I just don't think it happens with some runs, especially ones that require some up front materials cost.

all our dealings have some trust out there, even when a seller says he has the product in hand the deal can go south, we've seen that plenty.

plus the HIC is cursed.....cursed I tell ya.
 
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I know, but this place is full of long time members in good standing who blow town and take a lot of people's money with them with a trail of excuses.

I've been here long enough to know I won't ever hand over my money unless the seller has the product in hand and ready to ship. I am not a venture capitalist.
 
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As for this blanket statement about how runs should be handled and what mods should do, etc.

It's not up to the mods to police the Junkyard. It's up to you and everyone else to be an educated consumer.

That means riding these little ****s when the excuses start to get out of hand. It means checking out a sellers repuation before ordering in the first place; exercising due dilligence when you haven't seen an order in months, etc.

I've never understood buyers who think nothing of sellers who go radio silent for months and then seem perplexed half a year down the road when they see a mine field of burned customers. A certain amount of apathy has to be at work for this to happen. I'm not saying anyone deserves to be taken advantage of, but a defensive posture goes a long way once those red flags start flying!

All the mods can do is ban someone once they've been shown to be a problem.

When you start trying to legislate how a run should go, you're stepping on my toes and any number of other responsibe propmakers.

You clearly have no idea what it takes to put a high-end run together. I'm not talking about 10.00 paper props and 100.00 saber greeblies. I'm talking about 300.00 to 1000.00 pieces that take months in a machine shop to complete. The math gets steep when you're talking 20 or 30 pieces.

These are private runs of commissioned art.

The only way these runs can happen is for a builder to take reserves up front to avoid being stuck with thousands of dollars in inventory on the back end of a run. Interested hands in the air have a way of turning to the sound of crickets when it's time to for the buyer to perform.

Buyers and sellers enter into an agreement to make these special, high-end runs happen. Having completed hundreds of such runs in the last 10 years on the RPF I take issue with the suggestion that anyone should mandate or restrict how a prop run is handled, here. It's a slippery slope.

Don't kick the good guys in the ass because someone else got burned.

I suggest being an educated consumer and doing a little homeowork before working with someone. Check thier credentials and work out the terms of the deal up front.

Simple as that.

As for this threads author. I do hope it all works out. It's unfortunate when this sort of thing happens, but it needs to be made public to warn others. :thumbsup

My comments were directed at DH, not you.




Another way to stop this crap from happening is to stop sending guys money if they don't have the product in hand, quality checked and ready to ship.

Part of doing business is raising the necessary capital yourself to produce a product people want, then selling it. If that means borrowing from friends, family, taking out a loan, whatever, it's the cost of producing a product.

If you don't have the money to produce a run, then you shouldn't be offering anything for sale. This kind of stuff happens way to often on the RPF and it seems after 10 years, the mods would put a stop to it.
 
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I think it needs to come down to a buyer's choice - some runs will have the terms of no cash due until the item's finished, while others will require payment before any work has been started. I've been involved in both types, and there are risks inherent with both. As Rylo said, I'd rather not see the mods limit how sales must be performed, but instead leave it up to each potential buyer to assess the risk level and his or her tolerance for said risk within each situation.

To the thread-starter, I hope this all works out for you in the end.
 
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Neil, to Rylo should you listen. I will say in your defense that Mattydog had a pretty good rep. I might have done the same thing. I think you were just too nice a guy to let this go as long as it did.
As far as the the mods getting involved in our sales, again Rylo speaks the truth. We have to police ourselves. For the mods, babysitting the RPF is not a paying gig. They do this at cost of much time, and no grattitude. They get e-mails on a daily basis from people bellyaching wanting bans for someone that called them a poo-poo head. They have a LOT on their plates. There is no way that they have time to keep track of runs, who paid who, when something was shipped or received. They modorate to make sure things run smoothly. To ask for them to get involved with our sales is unrealistic. That would truly be a full time job! :confused
 
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I've been here long enough to know I won't ever hand over my money unless the seller has the product in hand and ready to ship. I am not a venture capitalist.

Man do you miss all the cool stuff! :lol
 
Re: Anyone know Mattydog? bad deal and some venting

Rylo, I understand your point and yes, you take a chance whenever you send money for a "run", but it seems even the most respected and trustworthy folks have burned people.

I also understand the money it takes to create some of the masterpieces that have been made here, but again, coming from a business point of view, a person needs to raise the necessary capital outside your customer base to make the product. It's just good business.

The problem I've seen over and over here when the deal goes south is the money collected by interested members goes into buying material, which is basically money unrecoverable. There is no "refund reserve" in case the run fails.

I also understand not wanting to involve the mods, or restrict the process, but when it does hit the fan, who's the first people called upon to try to fix the problem...the mods...and their hands are tied. What can they do besides banning the member and sending some threatening emails?

It seems more and more people are getting burnt and most of it could be avoided with some better policies in place, if not, I say don't involve the mods, or the RPF and suck it up as a bad decision.

I'm just saying ;)
 
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