Act Of Valor

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  1. PHArchivist

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    Who has seen it...?

    I saw it Saturday, but will reserve my thoughts for now...
     
  2. SmilingOtter

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    My only fault with the film was the forced dialog. But then, these guys aren't actors. I enjoyed it quite a bit. (Especially how the small boats were used in the first mission. When they came in guns blazing, btw, that was done with live ammunition.)

    Also,
    http://www.therpf.com/f47/act-valor-free-movie-tickets-139781/
     
  3. PHArchivist

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    My favorite part. How can anything living survive such a barrage?
     
  4. Celtic007

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    Saw it yesterday. Pretty good. I was surprised it was number 1 at the box office. I was expecting a small crowd but the theater was pretty much full.





    My favorite part was also when the boats came in hot. You knew it was coming and it was awesome when it happened.
     
  5. Dart

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    Loved the hot boats. Miniguns are scary cool.

    Liked the movie. Obviously, you're not gonna see this for the acting but I think the SEALs did a good job. Can't argue about the authenticity of the gear as I'm sure it'd have to be bang on. Liked how some parts were like a first-person shooter. I'd give it a good 3.5 outta 5.
     
  6. JediG60racer

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    My dad's former second in command (when my dad was COMCRUDESGRU7) wrote it. George Galdorisci. Solid guy, decent writer.
     
  7. SVTStingRay

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    i dont want my navy seals to be good actors, just good killers.
     
  8. third3ye

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    The movie would've been a lot better if they just didn't have any dialogue or plot points :)

    Some of the footage from the movie reminded me of a SEAL CQB training video in a killhouse, I have to admit it made me a little giddy. Best part of the movie by far was the boat ambush, chain gun action FTW :thumbsup As far as I can tell, all the gear they used looked accurate.

    I think the only part that was a bit suspect (and I may be over-analyzing this) is when they used regular laser sights in the night raid scene towards the end of the movie. I would think in night conditions, these guys will elect to use IR laser sights so only those with NV can see them, but maybe that was a Hollywood decision to make the laser sights more dramatic, who knows.

    Again I've never been in the service and I haven't been a spec ops buff for a really long time so maybe I'm just outdated on my observations.
     
  9. PHArchivist

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    I felt the acting element in the film was a fascinating lesson in the fine art of acting.

    How many times have you watched a film and felt "I could do that...!" or watched a sports figure in a sit-com, with god-awful acting skills, and mused to yourself, "Well, how hard can it really be?"

    These SEALs did - really - a pretty OK job, all things considered. Yet, their performances were still flat, lacked the nuances of professional actors, and came across a bit stale, or cardboard.

    Yes - I too was longing for a more entertaining, professional actor.

    So, it gives a greater degree of appreciation for the pro actors out there.

    It allows you to realize (or remember) that in film production, mulitple takes are shot with mulitple deliveries, and hundreds of editing decisions are incorporated, all in the name of attaining the best, most entertaining scenes. Reminds you that writers, directors, and actors work hard to ensure that every line of dialogue is both written and delivered for maximum entertainment value. Its truly a craft.

    Age-old addage of military films - Is it easier to train actors to be military personnel, or to train the military to be actors?
     
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  10. Kerr Avon

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    I thought that SEALs were not supposed to be filmed with their faces visible for operational security reasons. That if they could be identified then there were concerns their families could be targeted? I know they didn't list their names in the credits, but still, from what I've heard this violates some rules.
     
  11. usconcept

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    Pretty sure these are ex-SEALs.. or it's their stories and it actually being "them" is a crock
     
  12. Celtic007

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    From everything I've heard about the movie, they're active duty seals.
     
  13. third3ye

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    They are active duty SEALs but their full names are never disclosed in the credits so that maintains an acceptable level of confidentiality for their personal safety.

    Spec ops personnel have been filmed/photographed with their faces exposed in documentaries and in the news, though this is the first time in a feature film.
     
  14. Cookiee Monsta

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    Nothing in this film would of been done without the ok of the DoD. Thats from the active seals participation down to their individual stories used for parts of the plot & the tech used. Too me seemed like the film was made purely for recruitment & propaganda purposes.
     
  15. firesprite

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    They could be "active duty" SEALs but have their primary duty be as trainers.

    I really, really enjoyed the movie and thought they did a pretty damned good job for not being actual actors.
     
  16. Dart

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    That would make a heck of a lot more sense. They're probably instructors, which would allow them to be shown. I heard it took 'em 2 years to film this flick.
     
  17. third3ye

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    Well the film did originally start out as a recruiting promo video ;)
     
  18. Apollo

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    It is what it is and that is a recruiting tool.

    Under new guidlines for the military, ie specifically the Navy, an additional 500 to 1000 S.E.A.L's are needed.

    With an attrition rate in BUDS of around 80 % the Navy needs LOTS of volunteers to hit that number


     
  19. Art Andrews

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    Show me a film that isn't propaganda of some sort. Don't see how this one is any different.
     
  20. Apollo

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    True, but The Navy had final cut on this one.

    This film could not have been made without its cooperation


     
  21. Art Andrews

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    I guess I don't see anything wrong with that.

     
  22. firesprite

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    I'm with Art. I don't see anything wrong with the military wanting to have something show a positive face to counter all the negative ones that we're usually shown by the news media.
     
  23. Apollo

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    Nothing wrong but some do not think it is appropriate, you know our tax dollars being used to help fund a Hollywood production.

    Personally I heard about this film 2 years ago from some of my friends who are still active

    duty Operators and there was some controversy among them about it

     
  24. Apollo

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    I don't have a problem with it but some in that community do.

    Ever since the Bin Laden Mission, I know a few members in DEVGRU that cringe every time Team Six is brought up in the media.

    They do NOT like the spotlight


     
  25. Celtic007

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    Yes, I know. Frankly, I think that they're publicizing "Team 6" too much. Having more or less instant coverage of their successes in eliminating Bin Laden (while giving a boost to morale for the country and to the White House's popularity) cut short the half-life of any intelligence they gained from it and may, in the long run, done more harm than good.

    However, that said, I think that Act of Valor is a good thing to have had produced because it's "based" on actual missions that more likely than not aren't recent enough to interfere with current intelligence they're working on. It gives us insight as to how these men think and work. It shows that they're not trigger-happy 'cowboys' (as evinced by their firing discipline during the operation near the US-Mexico border). It also shows that they're not mindless grunts, but also investigators who put together pieces of what might seem like disparate information to form a picture of a threat they can act to neutralize.

    I'm not under any illusions that it'll change the minds of everyone who hates the military, but it might make people be a little more open-minded about the good that can be done.
     
  27. Sluis Van Shipyards

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    That was only to protect any secret info regarding tactics or operations.

    The U.S. specops like to be in the background, but the public loves the fact that these guys are the boogie men in the terrorists' nightmares. We also like the fact that something is showing that these are the good guys not how the media loves to portray the U.S. military.

    I think the thing with Team Six is that most Americans were just, I hate to say overjoyed, but glad to know that Bin Laden knew that it was the U.S. military that had him and he had a minute to let that sink in before they popped him. I think they should have just said a Navy SEAL team though. Still I can't think it would be that hard to identify any of them for any intelligence purpose. Also for anyone to know what intel they found, presumes that Bin Laden was sharing it. I don't know how they worked, so maybe it wasn't compromised in any way. Who knows.

    Either way I cannot wait until next year's Oscars because I'm sure they will just throw awards at this movie... :lol
     
  28. Apollo

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    Trust me no tatical operations they did not want compromised never were even filmed.

    Final cut was just the navy dotting their I's and crossing their T's.

    I know a few original plank owners of Team Six would have liked to capture Obama.

    They would have got ALL sorts of Info from him before the end. ;)



     
  29. PHArchivist

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    Apollo, did you mean Osama?
     
  30. Kerr Avon

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    :lol

    No ... freaking ... comment.
     
  31. Apollo

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    *! there goes that Mission! :D

    :lol Man I am going to catch it at the re-union if I go this year! :lol


     
  32. cocomonk22

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    One of the SEALs in this movie, PO1 Aaron Vaughn, was one of the DEVGRU SEALs killed in the Chinook shoot down last year if Afghanistan.
    (Fallen SEAL)
     
  33. DavidS

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    I viewed it the other way around.
    No actor could touch what these guys do.

    IMO this movie made all the ones being previewed before it look silly in comparison.
    It was a "reality check" that I think alot of folks need.
    As i stood in a check out aisle at my local grocery store after watching this film today, I looked at all of the tabloids that litter the news stands: snooki this and snooki that.... WHO CARES!
    People are so bombarded with bullsh*t that we really FORGET about the REAL heroes in this world.
    Its THOSE men that I look up to.
     
  34. rocketeer25

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    Saw it tonight and thought it was pretty powerful. I loved the letter that was being written to the son. Great stuff to live by.

    Normally after a movie, a loud soundtrack kicks in and everyone noisily rushes to the exits. Not this one. As the credits came up, it was as quite as a church. It seemed as if the entire audience was paying their respect to the men and women represented by what we had just seen on the screen.

    Lonnie
     
  35. Timmythekid

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    Errrr....not sure what negative faces you think the media puts on the US military, but it seems pretty much like criticism has been absolutely off-limits since '01. It's not the late '70s anymore, and no one is spitting on returning vets.

    Full disclosure here, don't live in the states and look at the whole thing from the point of view as an impartial observer. As such, if they're putting this film out there as a work of fiction film I'm being asked to pay admission to go see, then I've got to evaluate it as such. I've got no axe to grind, but you can't coast by on "They're heroes in real life!" if you expect people to put out $15 bucks a pop. You need to provide a decent cinematic experience first and foremost.

    That said...as a film and not as a love letter...the thing is not much of a piece of filmmaking. The writing is hackneyed, predictable, and downright offensive at times, showing off cartoonish super-villains with no concrete discernible goals or motivation beyond the absurd party line of "They hate us for our freedom!" which thankfully died nearly a decade ago (not saying we have to sympathize with the terrorists, but to give a * about what's being put on screen we need to know WHY these guys are doing what they are, and they need to be more developed than "STINKING A-RAB TOWEL HEAD #1!!"); the performances (and, guys, these ARE performances...the fact of being real-life SEALS is a gimmick for this film - this is not real life so apart from being technical consultants their careers are irrelevant) range between high-school drama club, flat and uninteresting, and periodically embarrassingly amateurish when butted up against actual actors. Not surprising as they aren't actors. But that's not an excuse for crap acting, it's an argument that this thing needed actors. Despite a couple of interesting shots, the photography prefers to fetishize hardware over presenting compelling visual storytelling. Great I guess if you work for Janes, or are a DoD contractor, but a disservice to the film.

    In the interest of not offending guys who honestly have insanely difficult and dangerous jobs, in the interest of showing appreciation to every person serving in the US forces there's been an enormous amount of excusing shoddy work over this thing. Most of you wouldn't accept this stuff from a film if it didn't have the baggage of "REAL AMERICAN HEROES!" but instead was a Segal movie, and without a horse in this race I can't excuse it here. I understand where you are coming from, but these guys deserve better than this movie.
     
  36. Stormy320

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    The film is awesome no matter how you look at it. It keeps you on the edge of your seat and the combat photography is the best I've ever seen.

    Why some critics blast it for plot, acting, or some other dumb reason shows me they just are on their high horse.

    This is good old fashion movie fun like the old days of Rambo, Top Gun, or real old school war movies. That's what's so brilliant about it. It has the modern edge of an old formula and I miss those movies. Movies don't always need to be about plot, character development, and great acting. Sometimes they can just be fun.

    Sounds like to me there is a minority of critics with a pen and paper that are too smart to have fun and try to ruin it for everyone else.

    The irony is in 20 years this film will come on TV some Saturday afternoon and I won't be able to turn it off, where as most of the crap that wins awards will be collecting dust on a shelf.

    Just look at Star Wars and whatever "film" won the oscar that year. Yep...I can't remember either.
     
  37. JediG60racer

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    Even instructors get deployed regularly. The local instructors take rotations between Coronado and downrange.
     
  38. JediG60racer

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    Hey just a random plug for a group I support, the United Warrior Survivor Foundation. They provide assistance for the wives and children of US special forces operators killed in the line of duty. Mostly SEAL families.

    United Warrior Survivors Foundation - HOME

    IF you're feeling particularly thankful for the sacrifice these families have made, please do consider making a contribution. I can vouch for the integrity of the organization. The president, Nick Rocha, is an active duty SEAL with an immense sense of honor, trying to take care of the families of his fallen brothers.
     
  39. Art Andrews

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    :lol:lol:lol Don't worry. Most of us got that within the first sentence...
     
  40. Timmythekid

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    (If you not interested in an alternative view to your own in this thread, you can safely skip to the last line, no malice intended...)

    "Movies don't always need to be about plot, character development, and great acting"
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    .........
    What? YES. YES THEY DO!!!! That's EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAVE TO BE ABOUT!!!!!!! You've just described the possible things that can make a film work or not. A film has to tell a compelling story, and to do that it needs competent performances, and a story worth telling, told in a half-way competent way. The examples you pulled all shared charismatic lead actors, and efficient, if simple, storytelling. Top Gun without Cruise is...a commercial for Grumman? Rambo without Stallone is...I don't know, Act of Valor with better writing and worse technical consultants? What you remember from those films is the presence of the actors more than anything else. They inhabit those characters so well that the actors can do a great deal of the entertainment heavy lifting for weak, rote stories, and 1 dimensional antagonists. You wouldn't send an actor to do a SEALs job, you shouldn't send a SEAL to do an actors' job.

    Calling mediocre filmmakers out on substandard work isn't being on a "high horse". This just isn't well made entertainment. It's not treason, not disrespect, not spitting on the people who choose to serve to say that this commercial piece of entertainment is weak in every area an audience should expect some value for money.

    Really, guys? 29% at RT, 42% at MC...those are just examples of the evil, intellectualati liberal media ganging up this poor, defenseless, DoD funded movie?




    No worries, I'll just back nervously out of this thread now...
     
  41. ThrowingChicken

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    Finally got to see the movie over the weekend, it was "okay" overall, but mostly a Lifetime movie for men. Out of ten I'd give it a 5, maybe a 6 on a good day. It's has a few brilliant elements that I really wish were in a better movie. I don't have much desire to see it again, but I wouldn't mind repeat viewings of a few select scenes.
     
  42. Stormy320

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    Timythekid - HaHa - your point is correct and I didn't state my argument well. I have no problem with a good old action film that doesn't have a complex / intricate plot.

    ...my comments weren't directed solely at you as I did see what RT and some other sights said.

    I do believe the film to be an evolution in action film making using real guys that know how to do the real stuff and fire real bullets on screen. I'm not a total buff, but I don't think anything like this has been done before.

    ...and whether you see it as propaganda or a recruiting commercial those guys actually do all that stuff and I call that amazing. For me just seeing what they do in real life portrayed on screen is fascinating.
     
  43. Scareb

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    So this movie had bad acting, and a bad storyline.....what were you expecting, schindlers list?
     
  44. El Duderino

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    I liked it, despite the cheesy dialogue I thought it was a good movie, I love the mini-gun scene on the boat.
     
  45. asemblyrequired

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    I think our military need all the good publicity it can get . We might be the greatest military in the world but we lack in many areas . Should be a good watch.


    -James
     
  46. joeranger

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    just got back with my son. All kinds of awesome. The acting is bad but it is needed to remind us that these are real people with families and lives.

    My heart was pumping a mile a minute during some of the scenes.

    Just remember that this is a recruiting video gone wild and you will love it.
     

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