Nth
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John Hexum I think was his name.
Accident on the set of Rust.
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ghostryder
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Here's some real perspective on how firearms should and shouldn't be handled on a movie set.
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•ᎥήiⒸ ภαᵍђＡ• on Instagram: "As I said in the video all the information has yet to be revealed and now it seems a live round was used for no reason at all in that gun. This video still is relevant for gun safety on set."
4,938 likes, 193 comments - dom_monaghan_ on October 22, 2021: "As I said in the video all the information has yet to be revealed and now it seems a live round was used for no reason at all in that gun. This video still is relevant for gun safety on set.".
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TazMan2000
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Gerard2567
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State v. Weber
State v. Johnston
R v. Lamb
R v. Ball
In more serious issues; more precedents have darker histories that aren't disclosed to the general public because it involves children under the age of 16.
Thus why there is an emphasis on modern gun safety to drill into kids that you should treat a gun as if it is always loaded.
ghostryder
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Yeah those aren't links and when I search case law for those I get tons of results.
Bigdaddy
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There's no "need" for live ammunition to even be on set. If lightsabers, spaceships, monsters, etc can be convincingly created with FX, so can gunfire.
The only time I used live ammunition in a fan film it was on an actual range, but even that isn't necessary for a full production movie, just do it digitally.
The only time I used live ammunition in a fan film it was on an actual range, but even that isn't necessary for a full production movie, just do it digitally.
joberg
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As I said on my previous post
Hovinski
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What you completely seem to forget is that a movie set operates under special rules and circumstances. You simply can not film a scene that involves shooting and make sure all those legal requirements you know so well can be fulfilled to a T. Because a shootout scene requires to point a loaded gun at other actors and actually shoot at them. Something you would not do on a shooting range or anywhere outside a movie set or an actual life-or-death situation. That's why there are special requirements and rules for movie and television shootings. Something like this:
Guideline No. 39: Firearms | Safety guidelines for the film and television industry
Learn about the requirements to identify and mitigate health and safety risks in the film and television industry.
Another interesting read about this topic:
Explainer: the rules for shooting on film sets
The death of a stuntman while filming a music video in Brisbane has thrown a spotlight on film set safety. Licensed armourers follow strict safety procedures while filming - but firing blanks can still be dangerous.
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So while I totally agree with you on the general rules for gun safety - I've taught them to countless recruits and made sure they were remembered - those rules do not apply on a movie set. It's a special environment with it's own, special set of rules. They spend a lot of money and time on making sure that everything is safe which makes it all the more sad when accidents like this one happen because it also has to look cool and "real".
PumpkinKing
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Somebody needs to be held accountable, if it was a live round, whoever loaded it should be charged. Alec Baldwin should have knowledge of the state of the firearm before ever touching the trigger. Even firing a blank is very dangerous at close range. But he is an actor, he’s probably been using prop guns since before I was born so I can’t really blame him for being careless with what he believed to be a prop gun.
Fact is, until we get more information we have no idea if he was careless or not. As an actor you're often told to do things that fly in the face of conventional gun safety, for instance "point this gun this way and pull the trigger". That's the only way you'd get the shot. Until we know more we can only assume that whatever happened was a direct result of something he was specifically doing for the role.
If he was careless, I'm sure we'll find out. Until then, let's not try and place blame when we don't know what the hell we're talking about.
I agree though, there's no reason that an actual gun should ever be on set these days. They have electronic guns that do everything with recoil/flash/etc. and they can't be made to fire any actual projectile. Blanks can be VERY dangerous at closer distances and require a real functioning gun to fire them.
If he was careless, I'm sure we'll find out. Until then, let's not try and place blame when we don't know what the hell we're talking about.
I agree though, there's no reason that an actual gun should ever be on set these days. They have electronic guns that do everything with recoil/flash/etc. and they can't be made to fire any actual projectile. Blanks can be VERY dangerous at closer distances and require a real functioning gun to fire them.
gobler
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Does not look good for Baldwin since he's the producer.
ktla.com
Camera crew on Alec Baldwin’s movie set walked off in protest of working conditions hours before fatal shooting
Hours before actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer on the New Mexico set of “Rust” with a prop gun, a half-dozen camera crew workers walked off the set to protest working cond…
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I seem to recall that they used a round that had a primer but no powder, thinking that the primer alone wasn't enough to cause any problems. Unfortunately, the primer was powerful enough to push one of the bullet into the barrel. When they then switched to blanks, the bullet wedged in the barrel allowed the blank to build up enough power behind it to force it out the other end - which is basically the same as a live round.
It was a terrible tragedy then, and it's a terrible tragedy now on this set.
Hitting the camera man and the director does make it sound like he might have been firing towards the camera as part of the shot? I imagine in that scenario that somebody could fire off a few rounds before anyone realised something had gone wrong.
If he was just horsing around between takes then there's going to be a s**tstorm coming for him.
IMDB lists 12 producers for this movie. It would seem a more accurate statement is that Baldwin is "a producer", but not "the producer". I hear oftentimes actors will insist on a producer credit in order to have some say in things that go on which directly affect them, but it doesn't mean they are the last word on everything. Even the article you linked to doesn't try to implicate him as the source of the troubles on set. Not sure why there's so much rush to judgment and finger pointing going on here.Does not look good for Baldwin since he's the producer.
Camera crew on Alec Baldwin’s movie set walked off in protest of working conditions hours before fatal shooting
Hours before actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer on the New Mexico set of “Rust” with a prop gun, a half-dozen camera crew workers walked off the set to protest working cond…
Rule #1 on movie and T.V. productions using firearms No Live Ammo On The Set.......Period.
cboath
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The article I read on that said the person working that bit wasn't from IATSE Local 44 and they didn't have anyone on set. Now, not saying the article i read was correct, but nothing in it gave any indication that there was any way they could know.
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