Let me preface this by saying that I LOVE Star Trek. REAL trek that is...
I grew up on TNG while also watching reruns of TOS and of course all of the movies...
I never cared for DS9 when it came on but have more recently come to appreciate it as some of Trek's finest hour. Never much cared for VOY however it has it's moments and I find myself watching it (thanks to Netflix). Enterprise was surprisingly good but died a tragic death
.....and then along came JJ Abrams....
While the NuTrek is at the very least entertaining, I find myself not being able To enjoy them for the very most basic reasons.
People sometimes compare ST to Star Wars. The biggest difference is that SW has "the force" IE MAGIC. It's a plot device that allows this throw away narrative element that simplifies explanation.
Star Trek on the other hand had always been science based. Even if that science was fictional, it still stuck by rules (even if they did fluctuate slightly sometimes).
NuTrek just blew that away. Now suddenly we have starships that can A) be built in a planetary atmosphere B)re-enter a planetary atmosphere and then most absurdly C) be submerged in an ocean body! Hello JJ! Don't you know what inertial dampeners are!?! Read your tech manual!
But again that is just one minor thing wrong with NuTrek and is not the purpose of this thread. No, I do however want to discuss the logical decisions that take place in some of the realTrek.
For example. I was recently watching ST Generations:
-why is it every time you have modify the main deflector to emit an inverse save our ass pulse, that you have to go to "you're probably going to die" deck and climb monkey bars to get to the playing cards in the colored slots that modify it? You would think on such an advanced ship that there would just be a little toggle button next to the NOS button or something .....
-in Generations, it's pretty obvious they just wanted to blow up the Ent D. This ship has been through more stuff than any ship and gets bested by "a twenty year old" ship that was "retired due to defective plasma coils"
So ok I will go ahead and grant you that the Durass sisters elaborate plan of modifying Geordi's visor works. So why did they not immediately remodulate the shield frequency as soon as they realized the shields were compromised? Why do they turn and angle the ship away from the attacking vessel? Why not unleash a volley of photon torpedoes and fire phasers in attack pattern Picard-foxtrot union? They are the "Federation Flagship!?!
Let's back up a minute...
- so... Cloaking technology has been around since at least the 2100s.... And 100 years prior to ST:G in ST: The undiscovered country, A freakin communications officer with no experience or training in cloaking theory figured out that you can track a cloaked ship cause "the things gotta have a tailpipe" ( wait, does this mean that combustion engines are still in use in the 23rd century enough that everyone would catch her reference ? I digress..)
Therefore why aren't the sensors on the FLAGSHIP automatically calibrated to scan for a cloaked ship ? Why do they STILL get surprised by this obvious antiquated tech?
-in all of the TNG movies , Picard is the last action hero... So when it comes time to get him alone for some heroics, a perfectly convenient plot device occurs. The old defective Klingon ship decloaks right in front of the FLAGSHIP. And as we all know, the shields must have been down because Soran immediately transports to the surface of an (already previously discussed uninhibited planet). So instead of
A) scanning the entire planet for a humanoid life form ( he should be the only one)
Or
b
B) scanning the whole planet for ANY technology (should be the only tech)
They realize that any missile fired from the planet will take like... 13 seconds to reach the sun (by my calculations that thing would be moving at about warp factor 73)
Which would be fine but our recently promoted Lt Cmdr Worf needs like 15 seconds to lock on.... Cause umm... Yeh...
The solution ? Ahnold Picardineggar decides to do a prisoner exchange for Georgi. But first wants to have a little chit chat with Soran to which the Durass sisters agree to do out of the goodness of their hearts.
Then we see Picard (wearing a commbadge) transport away and Georgi transport in.
Then something odd happens. See, Star Trek is always nice enough to color code the transporter effects for the different species. The federation is always white-ish and the Klingons are red. So when Picard materializes (without a commbadge WTF?) it's a white effect!?!
You mean he beamed STRAIGHT to where the bad guy is? Why? They had the coordinates to transport. Why not just pummel the entire area with photon torpedoes from orbit them vaporize the Klingon ship for good measure ?
I digress.....
The writing on the show was so tight for the most part and continuity was followed fairly well. I have never understood why it got sloppy in the movies.
So come on! Make me feel normal ! Am I the only one that notices these details?
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I grew up on TNG while also watching reruns of TOS and of course all of the movies...
I never cared for DS9 when it came on but have more recently come to appreciate it as some of Trek's finest hour. Never much cared for VOY however it has it's moments and I find myself watching it (thanks to Netflix). Enterprise was surprisingly good but died a tragic death
.....and then along came JJ Abrams....
While the NuTrek is at the very least entertaining, I find myself not being able To enjoy them for the very most basic reasons.
People sometimes compare ST to Star Wars. The biggest difference is that SW has "the force" IE MAGIC. It's a plot device that allows this throw away narrative element that simplifies explanation.
Star Trek on the other hand had always been science based. Even if that science was fictional, it still stuck by rules (even if they did fluctuate slightly sometimes).
NuTrek just blew that away. Now suddenly we have starships that can A) be built in a planetary atmosphere B)re-enter a planetary atmosphere and then most absurdly C) be submerged in an ocean body! Hello JJ! Don't you know what inertial dampeners are!?! Read your tech manual!
But again that is just one minor thing wrong with NuTrek and is not the purpose of this thread. No, I do however want to discuss the logical decisions that take place in some of the realTrek.
For example. I was recently watching ST Generations:
-why is it every time you have modify the main deflector to emit an inverse save our ass pulse, that you have to go to "you're probably going to die" deck and climb monkey bars to get to the playing cards in the colored slots that modify it? You would think on such an advanced ship that there would just be a little toggle button next to the NOS button or something .....
-in Generations, it's pretty obvious they just wanted to blow up the Ent D. This ship has been through more stuff than any ship and gets bested by "a twenty year old" ship that was "retired due to defective plasma coils"
So ok I will go ahead and grant you that the Durass sisters elaborate plan of modifying Geordi's visor works. So why did they not immediately remodulate the shield frequency as soon as they realized the shields were compromised? Why do they turn and angle the ship away from the attacking vessel? Why not unleash a volley of photon torpedoes and fire phasers in attack pattern Picard-foxtrot union? They are the "Federation Flagship!?!
Let's back up a minute...
- so... Cloaking technology has been around since at least the 2100s.... And 100 years prior to ST:G in ST: The undiscovered country, A freakin communications officer with no experience or training in cloaking theory figured out that you can track a cloaked ship cause "the things gotta have a tailpipe" ( wait, does this mean that combustion engines are still in use in the 23rd century enough that everyone would catch her reference ? I digress..)
Therefore why aren't the sensors on the FLAGSHIP automatically calibrated to scan for a cloaked ship ? Why do they STILL get surprised by this obvious antiquated tech?
-in all of the TNG movies , Picard is the last action hero... So when it comes time to get him alone for some heroics, a perfectly convenient plot device occurs. The old defective Klingon ship decloaks right in front of the FLAGSHIP. And as we all know, the shields must have been down because Soran immediately transports to the surface of an (already previously discussed uninhibited planet). So instead of
A) scanning the entire planet for a humanoid life form ( he should be the only one)
Or
b
B) scanning the whole planet for ANY technology (should be the only tech)
They realize that any missile fired from the planet will take like... 13 seconds to reach the sun (by my calculations that thing would be moving at about warp factor 73)
Which would be fine but our recently promoted Lt Cmdr Worf needs like 15 seconds to lock on.... Cause umm... Yeh...
The solution ? Ahnold Picardineggar decides to do a prisoner exchange for Georgi. But first wants to have a little chit chat with Soran to which the Durass sisters agree to do out of the goodness of their hearts.
Then we see Picard (wearing a commbadge) transport away and Georgi transport in.
Then something odd happens. See, Star Trek is always nice enough to color code the transporter effects for the different species. The federation is always white-ish and the Klingons are red. So when Picard materializes (without a commbadge WTF?) it's a white effect!?!
You mean he beamed STRAIGHT to where the bad guy is? Why? They had the coordinates to transport. Why not just pummel the entire area with photon torpedoes from orbit them vaporize the Klingon ship for good measure ?
I digress.....
The writing on the show was so tight for the most part and continuity was followed fairly well. I have never understood why it got sloppy in the movies.
So come on! Make me feel normal ! Am I the only one that notices these details?
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