The only answer that makes a lick of sense to me (theory only of course)---
The turbolift malfunctioned and brought Scotty to the bridge rather than sickbay. Some "round about" supporting "evidence" (well sort of ) is Spock's comment later that (the turbolifts) were inoperative below C deck.
That or like a horse running into the barn, he went to the bridge instinctively (I don't really believe this though).
Why? The only thing that Pike saw in Kirk is the very thing that destroyed the seven Federation ships and almost the Enterprise.
At the same time though, I do think the cliche Khan type "comic book" villain needs to be put to bed for awhile in Trek. Surely there are other stories that can be told. Finding one that has the same potential for success as the "comic book" villain in a Trek film is going to be a bit of a challenge though as trying to come up with a "Blockbuster" film concept tends to mean that writers will try to go over the top with concepts that worked before (even if they didn't always work).
You're seriously going to sit there and argue that the film doesn't show that Pike has a taking a certain liking to Kirk? You can not like the events of the film all you want. But you can't argue that the film does not depict Pike having an affinity for Kirk. Because that is what their on screen relationship is.
So, why does Kirk get an officer's commission? Because Pike likes him. That is the explanation. It is not an unexplained question of the film. Again, you don't have to like the explanation, and you don't have to think it's coherent either. But you can't simply argue that it doesn't exist, because it does.
So, why does Kirk get an officer's commission? Because Pike likes him. That is the explanation. It is not an unexplained question of the film. Again, you don't have to like the explanation, and you don't have to think it's coherent either. But you can't simply argue that it doesn't exist, because it does.
The military does not simply MAKE a person a Captain of an Aircraft carrier because some other Captain happens to like the guy, or the guy is the son of a decorated Captain. IT'S IDIOTIC AND SENSELESS. Did you think they should have put Wesley Crusher in command of the D because he's so smart?
So, why does Kirk get an officer's commission? Because Pike likes him. That is the explanation.
So if I thought an action scene was poorly shot, badly edited, non-sensical and overall painful to watch, it's still a good action scene because it had an explosion in it. You've got to have a little bit more than that if you're going to defend something that you think actually works. If you like that Pike likes Kirk for no good reason, that's your opinion. But if the writers are going to explain why this character for some reason likes a stubborn a**hole more than other, more committed individuals who actually care about what Starfleet is, you've got to give them a reason that actually sticks. The "Leap before you look" was not a good reason because the film not only doesn't do anything with it, it does the exact opposite. I
No, you're falling into the same trap (or, you're deliberately straw manning the argument)
I don't really know how to be any clearer.
"If you like that Pike likes Kirk for no good reason." This is not what the film shows, this is your opinion. The films do not show that Pike has no good reason. The entire first movie is the reason Pike has confidence in Kirk. He defeated Nero and saved earth from certain destruction. It was Kirk's instincts which allowed him to succeed. Don't you think that's a good reason for Pike to like Kirk? Look at Pike's face at the end of the first film. Do you think he's conveying a face which is communicating that he doesn't have trust in Kirk?
You may not think the reasoning given is good enough to satisfy your sense of...well, whatever. But that's an entirely separate question from whether or not the film provided a reason.
The original statement in question was: "....explain how a criminal Starfleet washout gets given an officer's commission after less than a few weeks in the academy and promoted to the Captain of a starship with the power to level the surface of entire planets."
This implies that an explanation was not given during the film. But one was. Pike likes Kirk (see above), so get makes him his First Officer. Pike dies. Kirk wants to avenge his death and Marcus sees that he can use Kirk as a patsy (by sending him on a suicide mission). That's how Kirk goes from washout to Captain.
As I said before, and shall say again: you don't have to like the explanation, and you don't have to think it's coherent either. But you can't simply argue that it doesn't exist, because it does.
To your analogy then, the argument was not whether or not the scene was badly shot/edit; the argument is whether or not there was an explosion.
Treadwell said:Yeah, there are already plenty of JJTrek threads.
Look closer and you'll find out that this is one of them.
There are plenty of reasons not to like the new Trek, why focus on such a minor one? :lol
So (if you're capable) please explain to me how any and all of the small to big nitpicks I've precisely described, do not detract from the greatness of Wrath of Khan?