Thoughts on Studio Scale Elitism Disease (and treatment options)
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IEDBOUNTYHUNTER
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And we all know what a crank you are.
Wait... I think my head just exploded a little. Now Beaz corrected me a bit earlier, but let me see if I understand. The main difference between the Studio Scale forum and the General Modeling forum is that Studio scale is specific to models that are being built at roughly the same scale as the original props used during filming. General Modeling is any model that is NOT the same scale as the original prop. Is that correct or not?
If I am reading this right, what is now being argued is that resin kits that are made TO STUDIO SCALE SIZE should not be allowed in the Studio Scale forum because they aren't scratch built? What does being scratch built or a resin kit have to do with scale? Either it is roughly the same scale as the model used during filming or it is not! If it is, regardless of origin, as the forums are right now, it belongs in Studio Scale. If it is not the same scale, again, regardless of origin, it should be in general.
This argument is only furthering my belief that dividing Studio Scale from non-studio scale is virtually pointless if we are going to continue to try to subdivide an already infinitesimally small niche. Are those arguing for this really wanting to drive the final nail in the coffin of movie replica models?
If I am reading this right, what is now being argued is that resin kits that are made TO STUDIO SCALE SIZE should not be allowed in the Studio Scale forum because they aren't scratch built? What does being scratch built or a resin kit have to do with scale? Either it is roughly the same scale as the model used during filming or it is not! If it is, regardless of origin, as the forums are right now, it belongs in Studio Scale. If it is not the same scale, again, regardless of origin, it should be in general.
This argument is only furthering my belief that dividing Studio Scale from non-studio scale is virtually pointless if we are going to continue to try to subdivide an already infinitesimally small niche. Are those arguing for this really wanting to drive the final nail in the coffin of movie replica models?
I don't think it's a matter of looking down, most people see it that way though unfortunately. Dedicated studio scalers are just sticklers for details, that's all.
Sometimes it's frustrating after staring at kit scans for 8 hours to find a part, holding up the project when you know you could just put anything there and it would look good, in fact sometimes you could put a better looking part there, in your own opinion, but if you did that, it wouldn't be an accurate replica, so the search continues, and when you actually find the part it's like winning a jackpot at a casino, it's a rush.
That's what it is to me, and I don't feel better than the next person because of it, it's just what I love to do and it would be cool to have a section where there's guy's that feel the same way. Where I wouldn't have to explain to them why I'm on ebay all the time looking for some kit that I hope has that elusive jewel on its sprue.
3d-builder
Sr Member
Self confessed mate, but snobbery isnt the way foward Mr " go big or go home" :rolleyes
Lee
IEDBOUNTYHUNTER
Sr Member
You got a problem with me. Use the PM button. If not go call some one else out. So what i build big. We all cant build little PD legs
JMChladek
Sr Member
Like I said, leave it as is. I don't think it needs to be messed with further. Sure, it would be nice to try and coax some to post work that they don't think is "worthy" of this site (something WW2 German related) and that isn't really the site's problem as I see it, but rather the person who thinks that. Most of our problems are in our own heads and self inflicted.
As for this idea that there should be a "Studio Replica" section open only to "100%" replicas, I can see that get boring pretty quick. Reason I say that is there are some models out there which have had the good documentation (i.e. quite a bit of the OT Star Wars stuff). But there are others that are going to be judgement calls due to a lack of research available. So whose judgement do we go by? Do we go by the builder's or some other standard? And what if the builder doesn't go about mounting any practical lights in his model or animation rod mounts, yet otherwise built and painted the thing to look dead nuts accurate to a studio model... is it 100% accurate? Where do you draw the line on what is an arbitrary standard at best?
In my opinion, if you limit things too far, some modelers will be reluctant to push the edge and just work on the same ole things. And when the same ole projects pop up, the browsing traffic goes down.
As for this idea that there should be a "Studio Replica" section open only to "100%" replicas, I can see that get boring pretty quick. Reason I say that is there are some models out there which have had the good documentation (i.e. quite a bit of the OT Star Wars stuff). But there are others that are going to be judgement calls due to a lack of research available. So whose judgement do we go by? Do we go by the builder's or some other standard? And what if the builder doesn't go about mounting any practical lights in his model or animation rod mounts, yet otherwise built and painted the thing to look dead nuts accurate to a studio model... is it 100% accurate? Where do you draw the line on what is an arbitrary standard at best?
In my opinion, if you limit things too far, some modelers will be reluctant to push the edge and just work on the same ole things. And when the same ole projects pop up, the browsing traffic goes down.
Al ill say it here thank you very much, as stated, we know what you want, you want it all divided into a little snobfest, well, i thought you had your own forum for that no?
Sure you build big, and its impressive, but hardly a reason for you to cll dibs on a separate section because you feel above all this, which is a common trend, and the reason for this thread no?
Thats it, said my piece, so i welcome your witty retort, that will just now, eat static sir!
lee
Yes, leave it alone, my thoughts exactly, but, we go through this in spurts it seems of late, some think they are above the resin and kit builders etc etc, and demand there own island for some reason, maybe they are of a higher calling LOL.
lee
Sometimes it takes more skill to make a resin kit look good than to build a model from scratch. I'm constantly amazed at what some guys do with a resin kit they buy.
3d-builder
Sr Member
Three things you just don't talk about in a bar religion, politics,
and the Studio Scale Section on therpf.......it's a fight every time!
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and the Studio Scale Section on therpf.......it's a fight every time!
thumbsdownThree things you just don't talk about in a bar religion, politics,
and the Studio Scale Section on therpf.......it's a fight every time!
Roger that bro :lol!
lee
I'm one who doesn't post on any other modeling forums and will eventually post some finished 1/24 cars in the General Modeling section. So thanks Art and staff because I like that section and it's wide variety.
The distinction between a faithful and accurate Studio Scale model and one just built the same size IMO is confused by the term "Studio Scale" itself. By definition it should include custom models the same size as the filming miniatures. We have named ourselves into a corner.
Maybe a Replica Filming Minature prefix? Not that we need more ackronyms. I prefer less forum sub-sections. It's great to see models I might have never clicked on.
The distinction between a faithful and accurate Studio Scale model and one just built the same size IMO is confused by the term "Studio Scale" itself. By definition it should include custom models the same size as the filming miniatures. We have named ourselves into a corner.
Maybe a Replica Filming Minature prefix? Not that we need more ackronyms. I prefer less forum sub-sections. It's great to see models I might have never clicked on.
SeismicA
New Member
So... Studio Scale Models. Studio SCALE Models. You either stick with allowing anything with correct Studio Scale in, or you need to rename the section to say Studio Model Replication, anything else is just misinformation and confusing.
I'm a new member that has been mostly lurking the past 6 months or so, but in my opinion I've not seen hardly enough traffic in this section to warrant a hard core studio model replication section.
As for allowing other subjects in like the armour and airplane builders in I'm personally all for it, but the forum itself is the Replica Prop Forum, so in a way it's wonderfully focused at all things movies and fiction at the moment, which I love.
I wouldn't mind a subsection to General Modeling for it though, but then again I hate subforums, and an extra forum would be too much... Ooops I'm rambling :behave
I have forums like missing-lynx and armorama to post my WW2 stuff at, but it would consolidate the community a bit to have a place for it here I guess. Perhaps let "regular" models into General Modeling, like robn1 suggests, for simplicity.
I'm a new member that has been mostly lurking the past 6 months or so, but in my opinion I've not seen hardly enough traffic in this section to warrant a hard core studio model replication section.
As for allowing other subjects in like the armour and airplane builders in I'm personally all for it, but the forum itself is the Replica Prop Forum, so in a way it's wonderfully focused at all things movies and fiction at the moment, which I love.
I wouldn't mind a subsection to General Modeling for it though, but then again I hate subforums, and an extra forum would be too much... Ooops I'm rambling :behave
I have forums like missing-lynx and armorama to post my WW2 stuff at, but it would consolidate the community a bit to have a place for it here I guess. Perhaps let "regular" models into General Modeling, like robn1 suggests, for simplicity.
IEDBOUNTYHUNTER
Sr Member
Lee, your so witty. So i prefer scratch building, so what. Never said anything bad about any one. Im pretty sure i comment on a wider range of subject matter than you do. Its not ESB all day for me. And again if you dont like that i prefer scratch building. PM me and talk instead of trying to show your such a witty guy.
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Sr Member
First things first, Jason, awesome stash, my friend! We should get together, off of forum when it's time to to start building. You supply the whiskey, and I'll bring the Optivisors and monofilament!
And Richard, sincere thanks for the vote of confidence, but I've already been moderator (and then some) around here, and with so many apps and models to build, I'm more than happy to leave those responsibilities in the capable hands of my fellow members these days!
And Art, I think you may have misunderstood one of the points of my last post. It's not that I want to share my other "off-topic" model builds here, it's more that I tend to figure out where the experts for a given modeling sub-genre hang out and then I go there.
For example, I know Jason posts some of his incredible Ma.K. builds here, but he is also part of a larger community of serious Ma.K. nerds who congregate elsewhere. There are incredible researchers and builders of the World War I aircraft that I love to read about and model, and they have their own forums too.
The RPF Studio Scale Modeling forum has been the place where the hardcore special effects miniature nerds have been hanging out for more than ten years now, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Other forums have come and gone, but this is where most of us still drop in, more than once a day if we can swing it, to see what's happening in this small, extremely talented community. It was unique when it was created, it remains unique to this day, IMO.
For me, this place has always been about replicating the very real miniature models produced by the special effects houses in the process of producing films. It doesn't have to be any more complicated than that. If what you are building is a same-scale replica of a miniature movie prop, then it belongs in this forum, no matter how close your interpretation ends up being to the original, and regardless of whether or not it's a kit or a scratch build.
Anything else should go in the General Modeling Forum. And that's not to say that off-topic builds are somehow illegitimate or less-impressive. Not at all true. It's just a simple matter of organization. It's the same reason we have separate forums for costumes and props here.
Now, I can understand those who feel we need a separate scratch build forum, or that we should roll this place into some other forum, but I'm afraid I don't agree with either position, for a number of reasons I'd be happy to address.
As for moderation, it used to be that this forum was managed by someone who was a regular here. But that has varied over the years, and recently it's been more likely than not that the person tasked with moderating this forum is not really an active participant. That has made for some uneven moderation, and at times means we have to be a little more vigilant about letting the staff know when there are off-topic threads.
And Richard, sincere thanks for the vote of confidence, but I've already been moderator (and then some) around here, and with so many apps and models to build, I'm more than happy to leave those responsibilities in the capable hands of my fellow members these days!
And Art, I think you may have misunderstood one of the points of my last post. It's not that I want to share my other "off-topic" model builds here, it's more that I tend to figure out where the experts for a given modeling sub-genre hang out and then I go there.
For example, I know Jason posts some of his incredible Ma.K. builds here, but he is also part of a larger community of serious Ma.K. nerds who congregate elsewhere. There are incredible researchers and builders of the World War I aircraft that I love to read about and model, and they have their own forums too.
The RPF Studio Scale Modeling forum has been the place where the hardcore special effects miniature nerds have been hanging out for more than ten years now, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Other forums have come and gone, but this is where most of us still drop in, more than once a day if we can swing it, to see what's happening in this small, extremely talented community. It was unique when it was created, it remains unique to this day, IMO.
For me, this place has always been about replicating the very real miniature models produced by the special effects houses in the process of producing films. It doesn't have to be any more complicated than that. If what you are building is a same-scale replica of a miniature movie prop, then it belongs in this forum, no matter how close your interpretation ends up being to the original, and regardless of whether or not it's a kit or a scratch build.
Anything else should go in the General Modeling Forum. And that's not to say that off-topic builds are somehow illegitimate or less-impressive. Not at all true. It's just a simple matter of organization. It's the same reason we have separate forums for costumes and props here.
Now, I can understand those who feel we need a separate scratch build forum, or that we should roll this place into some other forum, but I'm afraid I don't agree with either position, for a number of reasons I'd be happy to address.
As for moderation, it used to be that this forum was managed by someone who was a regular here. But that has varied over the years, and recently it's been more likely than not that the person tasked with moderating this forum is not really an active participant. That has made for some uneven moderation, and at times means we have to be a little more vigilant about letting the staff know when there are off-topic threads.
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