Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release)
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kristen jones
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also it was clear that they were not finished...that explains alot of the look of them.
I thought the speeder chase was just not working...its probably why they decided to cut it. they obviously did so before it was finished.
I thought the speeder chase was just not working...its probably why they decided to cut it. they obviously did so before it was finished.
Father
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Even Luke started calling Darth Vader "father" once he knew who he was.
I find it kind of annoying that Kylo calls him "Han Solo". Then I think about his temper tantrums and realize he's just a big "Sith-wannabe" baby and I move on.
Even Luke started calling Darth Vader "father" once he knew who he was.
I find it kind of annoying that Kylo calls him "Han Solo". Then I think about his temper tantrums and realize he's just a big "Sith-wannabe" baby and I move on.
Kylo considers "Ben" dead, so he doesn't consider Han his father... made sense to me.
Hell if I wanted to **** off my dad, all I would have to say is "What do you want, Ed?"
Even Luke started calling Darth Vader "father" once he knew who he was.
I find it kind of annoying that Kylo calls him "Han Solo". Then I think about his temper tantrums and realize he's just a big "Sith-wannabe" baby and I move on.
Calling his father by his first and last name is an attempt at a emotional disconnection thus making it easier to disregard their/his feelings, actions, etc. It's all very psycho-babblical.
Even Luke started calling Darth Vader "father" once he knew who he was.
I find it kind of annoying that Kylo calls him "Han Solo". Then I think about his temper tantrums and realize he's just a big "Sith-wannabe" baby and I move on.
Kylo Ren is a spolied, whiny, little emo kid
kristen jones
Master Member
I expect he's a bit more complicated than that.
Kt Templar
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Huh? iTunes is showing this as a 11 April release now, I thought it was the 1st?
joshvanrad
Sr Member
I definitely never saw Kylo as whiny or emo.
I saw him as conflicted and extreme, but never emo. I still don't get where people are getting that from.
I saw him as conflicted and extreme, but never emo. I still don't get where people are getting that from.
Zombie_61
Master Member
That's the pattern. Anakin Skywalker - whiny youngster, becomes the baddest Sith in the universe. Luke Skywalker - whiny youngster, becomes the baddest Jedi in the universe. Ben Solo - whiny youngster, becomes...???
Just to compare, how much complaining did Maul, Dooku, Grievous, Vader do? :lol
From watching the movie? Vader was conflicted, Maul was extreme and Ren, just plain whiny.
Sniveling, whiny bad granpa :facepalm
Pretty much
kristen jones
Master Member
I just really don't get why people think this.
All through the movie they showed that he was conflicted...that he was struggling to extinguish the Light inside himself--that he was actively trying to become something that deep inside he knew he was not.
Lor San Tekka said as much in the first moments of the film...that he (Kylo) could not deny the truth of whom he was. THAT is what was established.
I guess lots of people weren't paying attention to that.. or the fact that J.J. Abrams told us months before TFA's release that Kylo Ren was not a traditional moustache twirling baddie...he "didn't have his act all together" and so on.
The point is, we KNEW this going in, and they showed it to us all throughout. So why did so many people still come out surprised that he wasn't the ultimate badass?
cayman shen
Master Member
I love how in our culture any male expressing frustration is "whiny" and any male expressing sadness is "emo." Welcome to 1950.
kristen jones
Master Member
Vader wasn't conflicted until the very end...not exactly a pattern there. He was a stone cold killer through all of ANH and ESB. It was only when Luke began to tell him that he could sense the good in him--and really when it came to it and the Emperor was killing his own son in front of him--that Vader showed any conflict. He kept telling the Emperor (and us) that there "Is NO conflict".
Maul was no more extreme than any other Sith... it's what the Sith do: magnify only the Dark Side. Honestly, we got ZERO character development for Maul. He only spoke one line of dialog. We know he was good with a saber, but that's about it.
kristen jones
Master Member
Yup.
Actually it's ironic that you mention the 50's, because that's when all of this extreme polarization of our culture began.
Now there is no middle ground...there is no grey area...there is only this or that. black or white. good or bad. cool or whiny. republican or democrat.
(NOT starting a political discussion...making that clear.)
We as a society have been conditioned slowly over the last half century to push everything into one of two slots...and it has infected every single area of our lives.
In a way, we've become rather like the Jedi and the Sith...two polar opposites pushing to one side or the other, and unable to see the truth which lives in the middle.
joshvanrad
Sr Member
I, personally, enjoyed the violent temper. I don't see that as whiny or emo. I see that as unhinged, which is easily one of the most dangerous traits a character can have. He is completely dedicated to his mission, and when things go south he destroys things.
As a person who throws/ smashes things and swears when I round out a screw, trim off too much material, or scratch a fresh paint-job... I can empathize with his character. I'm 1 crossthreaded connector away from killing all the jedi in the world.
Did I just call myself a sociopath? I don't know. You be the judge.
As a person who throws/ smashes things and swears when I round out a screw, trim off too much material, or scratch a fresh paint-job... I can empathize with his character. I'm 1 crossthreaded connector away from killing all the jedi in the world.
Did I just call myself a sociopath? I don't know. You be the judge.
kristen jones
Master Member
i agree... we were given an incredible amount of depth for Kylo in TFA...and it can only grow from there.
The violent outbursts--while at times funny--also give him that unpredictability that is so compelling. Who knows what he might do...or how far he will go to accomplish what he has his mind bent on?
GOOD character writing. GOOD acting by Adam Driver.
The violent outbursts--while at times funny--also give him that unpredictability that is so compelling. Who knows what he might do...or how far he will go to accomplish what he has his mind bent on?
GOOD character writing. GOOD acting by Adam Driver.
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