jlee562
Sr Member
Ok, you picked out an absurd moment....and?
I'm really not quite sure what your point is. It certainly doesn't rebut anything that's been said.
Simply stating that the stories are about "overcoming obstacles" is too reductionist. Everything is about overcoming obstacles. Overcoming obstacles is, in fact, fundamental to any narrative form. Overcoming of obstacles doesn't make ST stories unique.
Undiscovered Country is the most blatantly allegorical film. Not only is the situation between the Klingons and Soviets pretty blatantly obvious (overstretched military spending, explosion at energy production facility, etc, etc, etc), the film lifts DIRECTLY from history "Don't wait for the translation, answer the question!" was a line taken from when Adlai Stevenson confronted the Soviet Ambassador Zorin over Soviet nukes in Cuba on the floor of the UN.
And what is the emotional narrative of the story? Kirk has to overcome his long held prejudice against the Klingons, as well as his personal animosity against them, in order to serve the greater good of a galactic peace between two long warring parties.
This is, as Zuiun says above a story "that just happened to use "aliens" as a means to make an uncomfortable truth about humans an easier pill to swallow."
I mean, if you prefer to think of it as just humans fighting people with funny shaped foreheads, more power to you. I think you're missing a fundamental element of Star Trek though.
I'm really not quite sure what your point is. It certainly doesn't rebut anything that's been said.
Simply stating that the stories are about "overcoming obstacles" is too reductionist. Everything is about overcoming obstacles. Overcoming obstacles is, in fact, fundamental to any narrative form. Overcoming of obstacles doesn't make ST stories unique.
Undiscovered Country is the most blatantly allegorical film. Not only is the situation between the Klingons and Soviets pretty blatantly obvious (overstretched military spending, explosion at energy production facility, etc, etc, etc), the film lifts DIRECTLY from history "Don't wait for the translation, answer the question!" was a line taken from when Adlai Stevenson confronted the Soviet Ambassador Zorin over Soviet nukes in Cuba on the floor of the UN.
And what is the emotional narrative of the story? Kirk has to overcome his long held prejudice against the Klingons, as well as his personal animosity against them, in order to serve the greater good of a galactic peace between two long warring parties.
This is, as Zuiun says above a story "that just happened to use "aliens" as a means to make an uncomfortable truth about humans an easier pill to swallow."
I mean, if you prefer to think of it as just humans fighting people with funny shaped foreheads, more power to you. I think you're missing a fundamental element of Star Trek though.