George Lucas says Han never shot first, you were just confused
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firesprite
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Yes, but according to the majority of people here, comics/books/etc aren't canon. 
Vintage marvel!
Kerr Avon
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Yes, but according to the majority of people here, comics/books/etc aren't canon.
That comic is more canon than the three prequel abortions.
defstartrooper
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that proves not only did Han fire, so did 6 other people around the bar, so it's impossible to say who actually killed Greedo. that panel's obviously provided by someone from the Zapruder system.
Godsmulligan
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So I'm rewatching Star Wars tonight (the digitaly remastered THX VHS copy)
In the scene where Hans shoots, there is a shot that hits the wall to the left of Hans head right before Hans fires.
Is this added?
In the scene where Hans shoots, there is a shot that hits the wall to the left of Hans head right before Hans fires.
Is this added?
Solo4114
Master Member
I suspect you're imagining things. I'd have to dig up my old "Black Box" Vhs set (the letterbox THX edition) and find a working vhs player, but every youtube clip I've pulled of it thus far shows the following sequence:
[cut to shot of Greedo]
"I've been looking forward to this for a long time."
[cut to shot of Han]
"Yes. I'll bet you have."
[cut to big explosion mostly obscuring Greedo]
>BLAMYBLAMBLADOW!!<
[cut to wide shot of the two of them. Greedo falls forward onto the table]
>thump<
There's no score mark on the wall by Han's head. There's no show of the two of them facing each other and shooting. You get a shot viewing Han, then a shot from his perspective of the table erupting in an explosion, then a shot of Greedo falling on the table.
Greedo never got off a shot.
Ever.
[cut to shot of Greedo]
"I've been looking forward to this for a long time."
[cut to shot of Han]
"Yes. I'll bet you have."
[cut to big explosion mostly obscuring Greedo]
>BLAMYBLAMBLADOW!!<
[cut to wide shot of the two of them. Greedo falls forward onto the table]
>thump<
There's no score mark on the wall by Han's head. There's no show of the two of them facing each other and shooting. You get a shot viewing Han, then a shot from his perspective of the table erupting in an explosion, then a shot of Greedo falling on the table.
Greedo never got off a shot.
Ever.
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Godsmulligan
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Okay watched it again few more times and it happend just the way you say it did, but on the medium shot of Han there is a lazer blast that hits the wall right after he says "I bet you have".
I'm watching this on the gold box set, and there is a jump cut when you see the lazer, like they tried to make it look like Han reacted to the shot.
There is no scourch mark from the blast.
I'm watching this on the gold box set, and there is a jump cut when you see the lazer, like they tried to make it look like Han reacted to the shot.
There is no scourch mark from the blast.
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Godsmulligan
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Wolfie
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Do you mind being a bit nicer? I'm the established Wolfie on this site and I dont want to be confused with you.
For the record, using wiki as a reference is not a good idea generally. Anyone with a wiki account and editing rights can say whatever they want on a wiki page. Its messed with all the time with false information. Especially by companies editing their own pages and by kids harassing celebs by putting in that people were gay who never were/aren't, etc.Also, on topic, I've seen the postings around of the script and the script mentions at no point the "alien" firing a shot. And the Gold boxset of VHS's is from the 1997ish special editions so the change would have been made already. At least the extra blaster bolt..
We have laserdiscs but no way to play them LOL
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Godsmulligan
Active Member
Okay disregard. I'm apparently watching the 1997 version. When this whole thing started.
Solo4114
Master Member
There ya go. Had a long post typed up but the board nuked it and you beat me to it anyway.
For comparison's sake, here is the pre-'97 and '97 version side by side on Youtube.
This is also why George Lucas is wrong and delusional about what we actually saw.
Him saying "You saw Greedo shoot first" is like walking up to a fruit stand, saying "I'll have that orange, please," and the guy running it says "That's not an orange. It's a watermelon." I don't care that it's his fruit stand and his fruit. That's a damn orange, not a watermelon. Call it a watermelon, call it a kumquat, call it a 1974 Plymouth Fury. It's an orange and Greedo never got off a shot.
For comparison's sake, here is the pre-'97 and '97 version side by side on Youtube.
This is also why George Lucas is wrong and delusional about what we actually saw.
Him saying "You saw Greedo shoot first" is like walking up to a fruit stand, saying "I'll have that orange, please," and the guy running it says "That's not an orange. It's a watermelon." I don't care that it's his fruit stand and his fruit. That's a damn orange, not a watermelon. Call it a watermelon, call it a kumquat, call it a 1974 Plymouth Fury. It's an orange and Greedo never got off a shot.
Godsmulligan
Active Member
This is exactly why I didn't want to start this. First time watching any of the added content and I'm already second guessing myself.
Again I say...
DAMN YOU GEORGE!
Again I say...
DAMN YOU GEORGE!
Wolfie
Sr Member
i suppose he could argue it was behind the smoke lol you just couldnt see it!
But until he releases "special edition" remakes of the scripts, the script doesnt mention anything like "alien shoots and misses at point blank, han then fires , clearly upset and shaken he had to do so, since he is not a scoundrel at all"
So whatever, George. Retire. Spend money on up and coming new film makers who need a start versus spending it to break movies that were already good just so you can sell them to use 2, 3, and even 4 times lol
But until he releases "special edition" remakes of the scripts, the script doesnt mention anything like "alien shoots and misses at point blank, han then fires , clearly upset and shaken he had to do so, since he is not a scoundrel at all"
So whatever, George. Retire. Spend money on up and coming new film makers who need a start versus spending it to break movies that were already good just so you can sell them to use 2, 3, and even 4 times lol
Vermithrax 4
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The only smoke I see is what George is trying to blow up our butts.
Wolfie
Sr Member
well said. lol
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