Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
Hi Michael,
We have not posted any information on the scope mount so you may be jumping the gun (pardon the pun) so to speak. As with the barrel and sight, we intended to have full participation of RPF members to chime in to help get parts that everyone AGREED with.
I was under the impression that this was a GROUP effort and project and that everyone here, including you would like to have a full metal set of parts that are as screen accurate as possible.
Please keep in mind that my version was created from pics and guesstimates before we ever knew each other and I only checked my version against your
casting which is
not correct as now proven by the new Sitting Target stills I posted so you need not worry, none of your information will be used without your permission.
OUR new version, as Carson said is based on work he started last year, long before you and I ever corresponded. I had contacted him back then to see if he had gotten anyone to make the mounts from his 3d models because I did not want to have to machine my own! He didn't, so I did have to make my own.
I have spoken with Carson about the need to make this new version adjusted to AVAILABLE hardware, like the knurled screw I used from JW Winco. It is a 17.mm OD 1/4-20 knurled screw, which I used to size the rest of my scope mount based on the HERO pics by overlaying etc.
As you know I started my project as a gift for my nephew. I only need one, which I now have. (I'd love to replace the parts I have already made with these new PERFECTED parts but don't really need to) I am only interested in the FUN of discovering new things and was happy to be of some help with the Bull Barrel revelation.
Any NEW parts we make will need to be "sized" to fit all the models available, REAL, MGC and Denix which I am sure your particular sample does not do. Even the barrels can not be "cast" from an original Mauser as the part would not "fit" a Denix or MGC.
My machined parts are not the same as yours and are in fact substantially different as I needed to adjust the dimensions to fit my altered Denix and now adjusted again based on the new photos we got from ST and NR.
I checked again your email and dimensions and can assure you, my dimensions are different as you will see if we continue this development.
My mount is in fact based on and adjusted for a 22mm tube which I am using for the scope which as you know is bigger than the original so EVERYTHING needed to be scaled accordingly.
According to your email which I reread, your concern was that no one should "make a profit...without doing his homework" etc.
As Carson said, I do not intend on profiting at all on these parts and will gladly let someone else get them made or let each individual interested party have them made from the work Carson and I are putting in.
As I told Carson in an email, I intended to have everyone interested deal with the machinist directly if that is practical. I have no interest or need to make a few dollars from these parts. I, just like Carson and most people here only want the BEST parts we can get and I thought that working together we could all have the best replica possible.
To date I have put a lot of time into trying to HELP the RPF members have access to these new parts and have spoken to several CNC guys and metal casters to try to get some ball park pricing.
Frankly I think it may be too expensive to make these parts in the numbers estimated so the entire subject may me moot.
Carson is doing a great deal of 3d work solely to get the most screen accurate versions of these parts for all to use freely. Maybe we should have made that clear as well. Maybe we should thank him and encourage him as well!
As for your concern about re-casting: I would think that it could be considered "recasting" IF we were to use the model you had and made a mold and actually recast parts for sale and profit. We are not doing that of course and would not want to since your sample
is not correct and
not made of metal as these hopefully will be.
I hope you do not feel that I took advantage of your information. Your information was merely used as a check against mine. To reiterate, My hand/machine made pieces are not the same sizes as yours and did not want them to be exactly the same since your version, as well as all the other currently available parts
are not correct including BT, MR and others.
Even the FHs are not really "good enough" which is why Carson is redoing the entire piece rather than merely "copying" it.
I am hoping we, together, can hash out the details to perfect all the parts we all need as we did with the barrel.
I am certain that the final pieces will be nothing like any part anyone here has to date. They should be as close to original as possible without the original to measure against.
I think I have been very forthright and open about any information I have had and shared freely to all interested RPF members all materials I have researched and created.
I welcome anyone with machinist friends like Lichtbrings, that may be able to make these parts for us to price them out when we get them perfected.
It has been my pleasure to offer what little help and observations I can to these efforts.
Here are some pics of mine. I am sure you can compare and see clearly it is not a "recast" of yours.
If anyone thinks I have been unethical or wrong in my dealings I will gladly bow out.
To be very very clear. Any parts we define and perfect here together are not for sale by either me or Carson or anyone else contributing to this discussion.
The purpose of this thread is to perfect and define the parts of the DL-44 as best we can and offer the opportunity for anyone wanting to "make their own" parts from the detailed models and files that may be generated from our joint team effort.
IF we all find that we would like to make a NON PROFIT run of these items we may choose to do so. For now, we are simply discussing and investigating details, with some success I might add.
I hope this addresses your concerns.
As your own measurements were not quite correct, i had given you some measurements to improve your own scopemount.
But unless you have a original (proof) to take your own measurements, or go with other/old/wrong measurement, you can´t use the measurements given by me. They were taken from a made mount that was given to me, not a found one - so it could be considered as something like "recasting". The measurements were given to you for private use only, not to make numbers and sell them.
Sorry, i assumed that was already clear from my messages when we had our mail-conversation, long before it was said in this thread that you´ll try to offer parts for sale.