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Dec 24, 2007, 3:54 PM - Merry Christmas!
Never one to stand on PC sentiment; I say it loudly and proudly,
"Merry Christmas to you and yours!"
- Rylo & Family
Dec 24, 2007, 3:59 PM - Re: Merry Christmas!
Here here, why get caught up with PC " titles "
when the message is simply a nice one !!!!
Over 3500 served
Dec 24, 2007, 4:13 PM - Re: Merry Christmas!
Cheers to you and Mr. Barlow
Dec 24, 2007, 4:30 PM - Re: Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas to both of you fine gentlemen; Russ and Rylo that is, don't want you guys thinking that I was wishing the real Mr. Barlow a Merry Christmas...
...ah what the heck, in the spirit of the season, Merry Christmas to Mr. Barlow as well.
(where ever he may be ).
Dec 24, 2007, 9:01 PM - Re: Merry Christmas!
Right back at ya, Rylo!
And Merry Christmas to all of my RPF family!
Dec 24, 2007, 9:10 PM - Re: Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, may Santa bring everyone their dream prop.
Dec 24, 2007, 9:11 PM - Re: Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas everyone!!!
Dec 24, 2007, 9:20 PM - Re: Merry Christmas!
It's after three am on Christmas Day here in the UK, nd I've been working on a prop
Happy Chistmas everybody!
Dec 24, 2007, 10:14 PM - Re: Merry Christmas!
Dec 24, 2007, 10:39 PM - Re: Merry Christmas!
Not big on being PC either
[COLOR=darkgreen]Merry[/COLOR] [COLOR=darkred]CHRIST[/COLOR][COLOR=darkgreen]mas ![/COLOR]
Dec 24, 2007, 11:09 PM - Re: Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas to you one and all
Dec 24, 2007, 11:40 PM - Re: Merry Christmas!
Yeah, I too find it ironic that here, on this eve of Christmas, I was working on a replica of the Holy Grail from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.
Merry Christmas to all!
"Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord." (Luke 2:10)
Dec 24, 2007, 11:48 PM - Re: Merry Christmas!
Thank you folks. A Merry Christmas to you all, too.
Being politically correct isn't... correct.
Dec 25, 2007, 12:45 AM - Re: Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas Too All!
No disrespect intended but it is what I have said since I was a wee little lad and will probably say till the day I pass!
If everyone took the sentiment in the spirit in which it was intended then being so called "Politically Correct" would be meaningless!
Dec 25, 2007, 8:42 AM - Re: Merry Christmas!
I concur! Merry Christmas everyone!
Dec 25, 2007, 8:49 AM - Re: Merry Christmas!
Dec 25, 2007, 9:21 AM - Re: Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas to all of our members here and their families!
Dec 25, 2007, 9:41 AM - Re: Merry Christmas!
MERRY CHRISTMAS! (can we merge these? :P )
Dec 25, 2007, 9:48 AM - Re: Merry Christmas!
We can't forget the guys down under, (anti PC here) and slip in the Ho Ho Ho part, then a Merry Christmas.
Dec 25, 2007, 10:28 AM - Re: Merry Christmas!
I hope everyone's is having a merry Christmas.
From The Wall Street Journal, Friday, December 21, 2007, by John Steele Gordon.
A Brief History of Christmas
Christmas famously “comes but once a year.” In fact, however, it comes twice. The Christmas of the Nativity, the man*ger and Christ child, the wise men and the star of Bethlehem, “Silent Night” and “Hark the Herald Angels Sing” is one holiday. The Christmas of parties, Santa Claus, ever*greens, presents, “Rudolph the Red-Nosed Rein*deer” and “Jingle Bells” is quite another.
But because both celebrations fall on Dec. 25, the two are constantly confused. Religious Christians condemn taking “the Christ out of Christmas,” while First Amendment absolutists see a threat to the separation of church and state in every poinsettia on public property and school dramatization of “A Christmas Carol.”
A little history can clear things up.
The Christmas of parties and presents is far older than the Nativity. Most ancient cultures cele*brated the winter solstice, when the sun reaches its lowest point and begins to climb once more in the sky. In ancient Rome, this festival was called the Saturnalia and ran from Dec. 17 to Dec. 24. Dur*ing that week, no work was done, and the time was spent in parties, games, gift giving and decorating the houses with evergreens. (Sound familiar?) It was, needless to say, a. very popular holiday.
In its earliest days, Christianity did not cele*brate the Nativity at all. Only two of the four Gos*pels even mention it. Instead, the Church calendar was centered on Easter, still by far the most impor*tant day in the Christian year. The Last Supper was a Seder, celebrating Passover, which falls on the day of the full moon in the first month of spring in the Hebrew calendar. So in A.D. 325, the Council of Nicea decided that Easter should fall on the Sunday following the first full moon of spring. That’s why Easter and its associated days, such as Ash Wednesday and Good Friday, are “moveable feasts,” moving about the calen*dar at the whim of the moon. It is a mark of how late Christmas came to the Christian calen*dar that it is not a moveable feast, but a fixed one, determined by the solar calendar established by Julius Caesar and still in use today (although slightly tweaked in the 16th century).
By the time of the Council of Nicea, the Christian Church was making converts by the thou*sands and, in hopes of still more converts, in 354 Pope Liberius de*cided to add the Nativity to the church calendar. He also decided to celebrate it on Dec. 25. It was, frankly, a market*ing ploy with a little political savvy thrown in.
History does not tell us exactly when in the year Christ was born, but according to the Gospel of St. Luke, “shepherds were abiding in the field and keeping watch over their flocks by night.” This would imply a date in the spring or summer when the flocks were up in the hills and needed to be guarded. In winter they were kept safely in corrals.
So Dec. 25 must have been chosen for other reasons. It is hard to escape the idea that by mak*ing Christmas fall immediately after the Saturna*lia, the Pope invited converts to still enjoy the fun and games of the ancient holiday and just call it Christmas. Also, Dec. 25 was the day of the sun god, Sol Invictus, associated with the emperor. By using that date, the church tied itself to the im*perial system.
By the high Middle Ages, Christmas was a rowdy, bawdy time, often inside the church as well as outside it. In France, many parishes cele*brated the Feast of the Ass, supposedly honoring the donkey that had brought Mary to Bethle*hem. Donkeys were brought into the church and the mass ended with priests and parishioners alike making donkey noises. In the so-called Feast of Fools, the lower clergy would elect a “bishop of fools” to temporarily run the diocese and make fun of church ceremonial and disci*pline. With this sort of thing going on inside the church to celebrate the Nativity, one can easily imagine the drunken and sexual revelries going on outside it to celebrate what was in all but name the Saturnalia.
With the Reformation, Protestants tried to rid the church of practices unknown in its earliest days and get back to Christian roots. Most Protes*tant sects abolished priestly celibacy (and often the priesthood itself), the cult of the Virgin Mary, relics, confession and ... Christmas.
In the English-speaking world, Christmas was abolished in Scotland in 1563 and in England af*ter the Puritans took power in the 1640s. It re*turned with the Restoration in 1660, but the cele*brations never regained their medieval and Eliza*bethan abandon.
There was still no Christmas in Puritan New England, where Dec. 25 was just another working day. In the South, where the Church of England predominated, Christmas was celebrated as in England. In the middle colonies, matters were mixed. In polyglot New York, the Dutch Re*formed Church did not celebrate Christmas. The Anglicans and Catholics did.
It was New York and its early 19th century lit*erary establishment that created the modern American form of the old Saturnalia. It was a much more family-and especially child-cen*tered holiday than the community-wide celebra*tions of earlier times.
St. Nicolas is the patron saint of New York (the first church built in the city was named for him), and Washington Irving wrote in his “Diedrich Knickerbocker’s History of New York” how Sinterklaes, soon anglicized to Santa Clause, rode through the sky in a horse and wagon and went down chimneys to deliver presents to children.
The writer George Pintard added the idea that only good children got present, and a book dating to 1821 changed the horse and wagon to reindeer and sleigh. Clement Clarke Moore in 1823 made the number of reindeer eight and gave them their names. Moore’s famous poem, “A Visit from St. Nicholas,” is en*tirely secular. It is about “visions of sugar plums” with nary a wise man or a Christ child in sight. In 1828, the American Ambassador Joel Roberts Poinsett, brought the poinsettia back from Mexico. It became associated with Christ*mas because that’s the time of year when it blooms.
In the 1840s, Dickens wrote “A Christmas Carol,” which does not even mention the religious holiday (the word church ap*pears in the story just twice, in passing, the word Nativity never). Prince Albert introduced the German custom of the Christmas tree to the English-speaking world.
In the 1860s, the great American cartoonist Thomas Nast set the modern image of Santa Claus as a jolly, bearded fat man in a fur-trimmed cap. (The color red became standard only in the 20th century, thanks to Coca-Cola ads showing Santa Claus that way.) ,
Merchants began to emphasize Christmas, decorating stores and pushing the idea of Christmas presents for reasons having nothing whatever to do with religion, except, per*haps, the worship of mammon.
With the increased mobility provided by rail*roads and increasing immigration from Europe, people who celebrated Christmas began settling near those who did not. It was not long before the children of the latter began putting pressure on their parents to celebrate Christmas as well. “The O’Reilly kids down the street are getting pre*sents, why aren’t we?!” is not an argument par*ents have much defense against.
By the middle of the 19th century, most Protes*tant churches were, once again, celebrating Christmas as a religious holiday. The reason, again, had more to do with marketing than theol*ogy. They were afraid of losing congregants to other Christmas-celebrating denominations.
In 1870, President Ulysses S. Grant signed into law a bill making the secular Christmas a civil hol*iday because its celebration had become univer*sal in this country. It is now celebrated in coun*tries all over!’ the world, including many where Christians are few, such as Japan.
So for those worried about the First Amend*ment, there’s a very easy way to distinguish be*tween the two Christmases. If it isn’t mentioned in the Gospels of Luke and Mark, then it is not part of the Christian holiday. Or we could just change the name of the secular holiday back to what it was 2000 years ago.
Merry Saturnalia everyone!
From The Wall Street Journal, Friday, December 21, 2007, by John Steele Gordon.
Dec 25, 2007, 10:35 AM - Re: Merry Christmas!
For all of you....
Dec 25, 2007, 11:35 AM - Re: Merry Christmas!
Mele Kalikimaka to one and all!
Dec 25, 2007, 12:07 PM - Re: Merry Christmas!
Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy!
Merry Christmas everyone!