Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

That basically means all the EU never happened than. Was kinda hoping they'd fit the films into the EU continuity somehow.
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

That basically means all the EU never happened than. Was kinda hoping they'd fit the films into the EU continuity somehow.

Not necessarily... it only means that the whole Yuuzhan Vong thing didn't happen... which in my estimation is a good thing... On the whole that series was poorly written and thought out....

And regardless, not all EU material is being wiped out...

I've just started watching "The Clone Wars" now that it's on Netflix and I'm about halfway through Season 3. One of the story lines twigged a memory and lo and behold, the Witches of Dathomir that first appeared in the EU book "The Courtship of Princess Leia" are now "official" cannon.
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Peter's double knee replacement last september came at just the right time... either he had a hunch, wanted to make sure he was a part of the next films or it was just a stroke of luck they were able to finally replace his big knees! regardless that man went through a hell of a lot of pain and physical therapy so he deserves to be and has earned the right to be back in the wookie suit! AWESOME!!!!!


 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Not necessarily... it only means that the whole Yuuzhan Vong thing didn't happen... which in my estimation is a good thing... On the whole that series was poorly written and thought out....

And regardless, not all EU material is being wiped out...

No, he's right, the vast majority of the EU post ROTJ is pretty much out. So we should have called JJ and asked him to not include Chewie to satisfy some EU canon fantasy?
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

No, he's right, the vast majority of the EU post ROTJ is pretty much out. So we should have called JJ and asked him to not include Chewie to satisfy some EU canon fantasy?


EU is so esoteric anyway. If the film came out with Han but no Chewy kids all over the world (and a vast majority of adults that like the films but never read the EU books) would be confused and disappointed asking why the hell Chewbacca wasn't in it.

Please EU fans, get over it already! :D
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I think it depends on what you mean by "wiped away." If you mean 30+ years after would there be an "Imperial resistance" or "Imperial remnant" like some kind of politico-military faction...then no, I don't think you'd see that necessarily. It could go either way, but I could see the Imperials being wiped out as a political force. Once the grand lie that Palpatine put forth is revealed, I think people wouldn't be too keen to sign up for the Empire.

What you might see, however, is something new, depending on how the Empire broke up. Former Imperial admirals and generals starting private armies or political parties, or getting involved in organized crime...that I could see happening. And the equipment they had, I could see that, too, being kept around for a while. I think you'd feel the impact of the Empire, if not necessarily there being some faction out there called "The Empire" or "The Imperial Remnant" or whatever.

As for Nazi Germany, it's not as if all their equipment was destroyed immediately upon the end of the war. Some former Wehrmacht guys wound up in the East German Stasi, others like the scientists were grabbed up by the Soviets and the Americans, etc. And look at Communism. 30 years on, we may not have the Red Army marching through Red Square, but we've got guys like Putin -- a former communist -- and a whole ton of oligarchs and organized crime guys who are ex KGB and Russian military. Again, just because the government changes doesn't mean the people disappear.

The basic thing I've always had a problem with even way back in the 80's and more so after the first three films were made was that in the most basic sense the imperial military was what the old Republic military became,so if you go and reform the Republic what are you gonna do for an army? you kinda have to keep some parts of it as the Jedi aren't around in much of any way and I doubt you're just gonna flip back to the way it was without some unrest.

And like you said there's aways gonna be hold outs who will do something,there was a thread or the size of the empire's fleet,now take that as just a part of the whole thing? and spread across a galaxy? at the least you're talking about some major warlords popping up
at most? with a guy who is smart? maybe the biggest bunch of mercenaries you could imagine,maybe make the Mandalor people look stupid.

My main thing is with the size of it just making it vanish is stupid,too much of an interesting side story with them hanging on,I would think one guy who steps up and takes command then calls for a cease fire and regroups then maybe ether starts a hell of a crime organization,or perhaps starts a new planet and just becomes a wild card for the next set of films i.e. seven through nine.
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Having to make these films while working around the EU would just be silly.It would be like working in a mine field.Its not logical.Get over it EU people.


Ben
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

No, he's right, the vast majority of the EU post ROTJ is pretty much out. So we should have called JJ and asked him to not include Chewie to satisfy some EU canon fantasy?

Everyone keeps saying that, yet we haven't heard anything definitive. They said something like that they were going through it to see what to keep. That doesn't sound like they're getting rid of everything. If they were smart they would just get rid of anything that doesn't fit what happens in the movies. Unless they are covering the 30 years since ROTJ there's very little that would interfere with the movies other than the stupid Vong and possibly marriages/kids.
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

My main thing is with the size of it just making it vanish is stupid

Nobody's saying that they simply vanished, just that after 30 years it would probably be little more than a minor nuisance at that point.

And I find it funny that most people want the movies to be fresh and new and yet a lot want the Empire to be the main baddies again.
 
Last edited:
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Everyone keeps saying that, yet we haven't heard anything definitive. They said something like that they were going through it to see what to keep. That doesn't sound like they're getting rid of everything. If they were smart they would just get rid of anything that doesn't fit what happens in the movies. Unless they are covering the 30 years since ROTJ there's very little that would interfere with the movies other than the stupid Vong and possibly marriages/kids.

Well, it is likely true that they won't go out of their way to nullify the EU that doesn't impact their current plans...as they likely feel no need to invalidate something which was NEVER valid. But everything post ROTJ will not be considered and any spin off films on existing characters will not be obligated to adhere to EU books. They may decide to lift small portions, but I would hardly call that a validation. And if Disney decides to go back to the Old Republic era, say goodbye to that as well.
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Peter's double knee replacement last september came at just the right time... either he had a hunch, wanted to make sure he was a part of the next films or it was just a stroke of luck they were able to finally replace his big knees!
I'm quite sure he, and Hamill, and Fisher, and Ford, and whoever else, had been informed about the buyout, the new movies, and their participation a looooooooooooooooooong time before any of it was officially announced, particularly in Mayhew's case since his health issues were fairly common knowledge. But I do agree that he's earned the right to wear the suit again--knee replacement surgery and the required physical therapy are both extremely painful things to experience.
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Everyone keeps saying that, yet we haven't heard anything definitive. They said something like that they were going through it to see what to keep. That doesn't sound like they're getting rid of everything. If they were smart they would just get rid of anything that doesn't fit what happens in the movies. Unless they are covering the 30 years since ROTJ there's very little that would interfere with the movies other than the stupid Vong and possibly marriages/kids.

I agree, it was never stated that they were canning the EU, merely that they weren't adhering to it religiously.

Remember, one of the more persistent rumors from a while back involved a casting call for Force-using twins. Which is pretty darn EU-sounding to me.
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Latest rumor I saw from either cosmicbook or superherohype was that Han and Leia might be imprisoned at the beginning of the film and the main characters are in search of Luke who left or disappeared for some reason. It could help lessen the need for Luke to be a prime character just like Han and Leia. Maybe kill of Han like Harrison wanted and Leia sends for Luke's help through their kids or something? Could work? Bring some shock and awe to the rejuvenated franchise.
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I don't know about anyone else, but I certainly wouldn't like that. Killing Han -- or any of the older characters -- just to create "shock" is a cheap parlour trick. The problem with a move like that is that I don't see how it would effectively impact the main characters. We wouldn't have seen the main characters have any connection to Han or Leia or anyone else, for that matter. Any mention of a relationship would be exposition/backstory, which is way less effective at establishing a relationship in a way that would make the death of, say, Han meaningful for the characters. The only purpose for doing it, therefore, would be to **** with the audience. And frankly, that kind of ham-handed gimmickry is cheap and amateurish. It's mistaking the meta-drama of the audience's connection to the characters for actual drama within the narrative itself. In other words, it doesn't serve the story; it serves to manipulate the audience.

And I'm about done with manipulating the audience rather than telling a well-crafted story. I'm done with that across the board, in all media.


As for preserving the EU...I think people fail to recognize how even seemingly minor changes can have a major ripple effect. For example, if Chewbacca is in this...well, then "Vector Prime" never happened. Which calls into question whether the rest of the NJO stuff happened, which calls into question whether the stuff after THAT happened, and so on and so forth.

They may not come right out and say "SCREW YOUR EU!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!" and explicitly nuke it, but little things like that cast a big shadow down the timeline. Which is why I say that efforts and considerations towards "preserving" the EU are foolish. Too many changes will have to be made to make the stories actually make sense, at least in the post-ROTJ era. That's why I suggest that any fan out there should assume for all intents and purposes that the EU IS nuked, and is just a set of stories that people can continue to enjoy. Kinda like how neither "Rookie One" nor the character you play in the original X-wing blew up the Death Star. They're just fun games you can play, and the EU will be fun (for you, if you like 'em) books you can read.
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I wouldn't mind seeing an old character getting killed off for the sake of revitalizing the efforts of the good. That's a theme that ALWAYS hits home with me.
 
This thread is more than 8 years old.

Your message may be considered spam for the following reasons:

  1. This thread hasn't been active in some time. A new post in this thread might not contribute constructively to this discussion after so long.
If you wish to reply despite these issues, check the box below before replying.
Be aware that malicious compliance may result in more severe penalties.
Back
Top